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Offline thomas1168

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IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« on: July 22, 2006, 09:35:06 PM »
DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND LEAD PATTERNS FOR GUITAR
APPLING THEM TO BASS RUNNING INTERVALS

DIMINISHED 7TH FOUR STRING FORM

KEY OF A SECOND INVERSION

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2006, 01:09:20 AM »
run around in minor thirds....direction doesnt matter....

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 08:30:26 AM »
thomas,

I'm not sure what you're trying ot get at with this thread, but I can assure you that you can NEVER talk abot enough theory.  I myself undertsand quite a bit of it, but you can never be exposed to too much knowledge.

Lay some stuff on the table and if people want to take it then they'll take it.  I know i'll be eating it up like a malnutritioned lion that's just been left in  a goat petting zoo :o
Somebody put me in the key of E#

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2006, 08:37:52 AM »
I am trying to make it work easier for me like victor wooten says I can do it well but other people always show me how to do it their way and sometimes its the better way

dim 7th four string forms or pattern

b3 bb7 b3 bb7
b5 1 b5 1
second inversion

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2006, 02:09:02 PM »
To futher explain I have created a speed exercise in broken 3rds 4th up and down the neck very melodic exercise
I will post the whole exercise later today I am working out the same in a dim 7 form all inversions starting in the key of A

The bottom of the page of my last post you will see bb7 b3 ect
these are the intervals that are created across the strings

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2006, 02:55:59 PM »
I am trying to make it work easier for me like victor wooten says I can do it well but other people always show me how to do it their way and sometimes its the better way

dim 7th four string forms or pattern

b3 bb7 b3 bb7
b5 1 b5 1
second inversion

First Thommas i'd like to thank you for your effort that you're putting into your posts.  It really is appreciated.  Now with that being said I'm finding some of yur post pretty hard to understand. 

I almost feel like in the above quoted post that you're saying that when a dim 7th is being played we should alternate between the flat 3rd and the double flatted seventh.

Somebody put me in the key of E#

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2006, 03:29:48 PM »
SORRY I AM DOING TO MANY THINGS AT ONCE

OK
ALL C ARE NATURALS

STARTING ON THE E STRING 5 FRET  Root Form                          Intervals
                                                             
A Eb A Eb                                                                       1   b5    1  b5
C Gb C Gb                                                                      b3 bb7 b3 bb7
4  3  2  1 string

Starting on the E string 8th Fret   1st Inversion                     b3 bb7 b3 bb7
C Gb C Gb                                                                       b5 1 b5 1
Eb A Eb A

ON 11TH FRET SECOND INVERSION                                     b5 1 b5 1
Eb A Eb A                                                                      bb7 b3 bb7 b3
Gb C Gb C

On 14   Third inversion                                                    bb7 bb3 bb7 bb3
Gb C Gb C                                                                        1 b5 1 b5
A Eb A Eb


OK NOW I AM STILL WORKING ON CONNECTING ALL THESE POSITIONS IN THE KEY OF A ( TO START WITH)
RUNNING THE UP AND DOWN 5 FRET TO 14 FRET BUT MAKING A MUSIC PATTERN OUT OF THEM

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2006, 11:18:12 PM »
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DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND LEAD PATTERNS FOR GUITAR
APPLING THEM TO BASS RUNNING INTERVALS

DIMINISHED 7TH FOUR STRING FORM

KEY OF A SECOND INVERSION

The second inversion of an A diminshed chord is C, E, Gb

It took me a minute to understand what you where saying...but I think I got it now.  That is a nice pattern to practice if I'm understanding it right.

However, the pattern my not sound that great in the key of A with a flattened 5th.

I don't think that your 7ths need to be double flatted and if you are flattening the 3rd then you are probably using A minor, right?  So your notes would be...
A, B, C, D, E, F, G (natural minor of C) the 7th is already flat.

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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 11:02:39 AM »
The second inversion of an A diminshed chord is C, E, Gb

It took me a minute to understand what you where saying...but I think I got it now.  That is a nice pattern to practice if I'm understanding it right.

However, the pattern my not sound that great in the key of A with a flattened 5th.

I don't think that your 7ths need to be double flatted and if you are flattening the 3rd then you are probably using A minor, right?  So your notes would be...
A, B, C, D, E, F, G (natural minor of C) the 7th is already flat.



for a diminished 7th cord, the 7th is Double flatted, so it does need to be flatted again.
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Re: IS ANYONE WELL VERSED IN THEIR MUSIC THEORY
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 06:48:40 AM »
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for a diminished 7th cord, the 7th is Double flatted, so it does need to be flatted again.
You are right on with that.  I was debating it based on the key.
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