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(Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?

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Offline ferrente

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(Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« on: September 14, 2006, 10:18:54 AM »
This is just a food for though.

Do you think the Pastor should Doc a Musicians Salary if he/she doesn't show up to play for an evening program, morning service, Sunday school, etc.?
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2006, 01:47:44 PM »
Yes in deed, if the musician(s) are late, or don't show (without a VALID reason, and not call at the last minute). In 99.9% of the cases they are getting paid to render the gifts & talents through musicianship.  If you don't go to work you don't get paid, if you are late you get doc'd so why not at da church house.  I do know that some churches give there musicians a few paid sick or vacation days though.   
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 02:59:17 PM »
I think a Pastor or church can dock a musician's pay, however, I feel like the guidelines should be established in advance, so the musician knows what to expect.

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 04:14:49 PM »
I think a Pastor or church can dock a musician's pay, however, I feel like the guidelines should be established in advance, so the musician knows what to expect.


100% agree we as musicians are not exempt from being responsible and so is the church head

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 04:49:11 PM »
I look at it like a real Job if you not there you don't get page. It should be established at the beginning as previously stated.

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 04:53:22 PM »
Yes, they should. :)
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2006, 10:04:24 PM »
As a pastor I have been in this situation before. The musician showed up an 1/2 hour before service ended and I didn't allow him to play. He still wanted to be paid. Sometimes things happen, but I'm still excpected to show up on time and carry out my duties. No one would like or except if I overslept.
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2006, 10:03:45 PM »
I agree with everybody in here about Docking pay.

There are no superstars in church.  Sometimes musicians get the big head and think that they can do what they wanna do, come in when they wanna, and so on.  Pastors need to keep the musicians egos in check!

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2006, 07:26:10 AM »
Yes in deed, if the musician(s) are late, or don't show (without a VALID reason, and not call at the last minute). In 99.9% of the cases they are getting paid to render the gifts & talents through musicianship.  If you don't go to work you don't get paid, if you are late you get doc'd so why not at da church house.  I do know that some churches give there musicians a few paid sick or vacation days though.   

I agree they should get doc
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2006, 08:48:51 AM »
The church that I attent does not pay for musicians. I have only attended one church where the piano player got paid but most of the time he donated the money back to the church so we could purchase better gear.

I do have some friends that get pay to play. In this case he gets pay at a church other than his local church. I see this as a job. Musicians that get pay to play should be treaded as employees.

Now I do think that the church should be more concern about why the person did not show or was late and not with "how much can we doc". As christians we need to show the love. Really care about the situations that are causing someone to be late.

BUT, if there is a pattern of lateness for no  other reason than "sorry I was playing ball and lost track of time" then I say YES doc the pay and use the money to take the rest of the band out to dinner. LOL

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2006, 07:27:14 PM »
Most definitely!  If a musician is being paid for his/her services and the services are not fully given, why pay fully?

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2006, 07:27:59 PM »
Most definitely!  If a musician is being paid for his/her services and the services are not fully given, why pay fully?

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2006, 07:28:34 PM »
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2006, 11:53:18 AM »
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2007, 10:44:26 AM »
Yes,,, but under certain cercomstances

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2007, 01:40:46 PM »
You mean, dock, right? :-\
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2007, 10:11:14 AM »
I think Pastors should doc musicians if they're late but he should hold his musician to the same standard he has at the church...

You would be surprised at how many late to their own church EVERY SUNDAY Pastors I've met and had to work with...

If he's late all the time to church, if he shows up to church M-F whenever he feels like rolling out of the bed then I don't think he can put his musician on blast.

I do agree that arrangements should be made in advance and WRITTEN OUT saying that if you show up 5-30 minutes late, you will be docked X amount from your check. If you are 30 minutes to an hour late it will be XXX amount and if it's over an hour don't even bother coming (unless your wife, momma, kid etc... is just now getting out of the hospital etc...)

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 11:46:35 AM »
I think so, but it should depends on the issue

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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2007, 02:03:15 PM »
These are all great responses!

I think everyone is on the same page!
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Re: (Poll Question) Can or Should the Pastor (DOC) a Musicians Salary?
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2007, 02:26:45 PM »
Yep, they should.
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