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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2008, 02:20:50 AM »
for example for going to the Bb i would run the Bb blues scale. Use a transistion period with the part in Bb in the beginning i would run the Bb blues scale but start on the f. This seem heavy stuff u got here. The heavier the info the harder to carry. Hope this help.

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2008, 03:39:06 PM »
Wow, this is some hot thread now..thanks a zillion Jjjoe & Vonne..I can't wait to try this out :o 8)
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2008, 06:57:07 PM »
T-Block,
you go, cause you are down right one of the best in music and, I appreciate you in all that you share with us in this forum.

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2008, 08:41:17 PM »
for example for going to the Bb i would run the Bb blues scale. Use a transistion period with the part in Bb in the beginning i would run the Bb blues scale but start on the f. This seem heavy stuff u got here. The heavier the info the harder to carry. Hope this help.
I add things to but I didn't want to make it harder than it already is :-\. I'm afraid that I over posted, this is supposed to be for beginners. I'll try to come back later on and make this easier for everyone to understand and transpose to any key.
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2008, 11:00:20 PM »
I add things to but I didn't want to make it harder than it already is :-\. I'm afraid that I over posted, this is supposed to be for beginners. I'll try to come back later on and make this easier for everyone to understand and transpose to any key.

Well it really good at what you post sometimes people need harder chords to get to the next level but I think this post is for more than the beginners, it is for anybody who need more theory or variety in their playing. You did a great job don't feel bad just try to add more because if you empty out your vessel god can do the overflow so just post what you got and don't worry about the rest.

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2008, 11:07:45 PM »
Hello these are more progression you can do in Db it is a 4-6-2 progression it is a popular movement in gospel music

Gb/ACEbGb
BbF/AbBDF
Eb/GbBDbF

more advance version in Db

Gb/AbBbDbFAb
Bb/AbBbDbFAb
Eb/GbBbDbF

hope this helps

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2008, 02:29:08 AM »
Hello these are more progression you can do in Db it is a 4-6-2 progression it is a popular movement in gospel music

Gb/ACEbGb
BbF/AbBDF
Eb/GbBDbF

more advance version in Db

Gb/AbBbDbFAb
Bb/AbBbDbFAb
Eb/GbBbDbF

hope this helps

Very sweet stuff Jjjoe..
This is 1 of my best progressions (especially in fast songs) since it was the 1st popular progression I learnt..It also allowed me to play a number of songs in virtually not  time. 8)
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2008, 03:04:28 PM »
WOW!!!  :o :o :o :o

This thread is pure gold, pure gold. We should pay for this info.
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2008, 07:03:20 PM »
WOW!!!  :o :o :o :o

This thread is pure gold, pure gold. We should pay for this info.

Yep--:

T, Jo & Von, please furnish us with your banking details so we can pay royalties each time we use these.

Fenbox:
Should we be paying for the "corny" jokes on your footer as well? :D :D
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2008, 08:16:55 AM »
Yep--:

T, Jo & Von, please furnish us with your banking details so we can pay royalties each time we use these.

Fenbox:
Should we be paying for the "corny" jokes on your footer as well? :D :D

 :D :D :D :D

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2008, 11:28:48 PM »
WOW!!!  :o :o :o :o

This thread is pure gold, pure gold. We should pay for this info.
those of us with green stars did ;)

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2008, 06:36:27 PM »
those of us with green stars did ;)

Me playing the devil's advocate:
Would U really say what U paid covers the gems U have found here ;)
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2008, 12:26:48 AM »
Here's some stuff that can help with Congregational Songs and shouting music:

Alternate minor 1 and minor 2 chords
Key C#

B-E-G# or C#-E-G# (start high on keyboard, go all the way down, go all the way back up)
A#-D#-F#
G#-C#-E
F#-A#-D#
E-G#-C#
D#-F#-A#
(repeat)


Key Db 

Cb-Fb-Ab or Db-Fb-Ab (start high on keyboard, go all the way down, go all the way back up)
Bb-Eb-Gb
Ab-Db-Fb
Gb-Bb-Eb
Fb-Ab-Db
Eb-Gb-Bb
(repeat)


Alternate major 1 and minor 2 chords
Key C#

C#-E#-G# (start high on keyboard, go all the way down, go all the way back up)
A#-D#-F#
G#-C#-E#
F#-A#-D#
E#-G#-C#
D#-F#-A#
(repeat)


Key Db 

Db-F-Ab (start high on keyboard, go all the way down, go all the way back up)
Bb-Eb-Gb
Ab-Db-F
Gb-Bb-Eb
F-Ab-Db
Eb-Gb-Bb
(repeat)


Various Bass Lines
Key C#

C#, E#, F#, G, G#, A#, B, B#, C#
C#, D#, E, E#, F#, A#, B, B#, C#
C#, E#, G#, A#, B, A#, G#, E#, C#
C#, E#, G#, G, F#, A#, B, B#, C#
C#, B, G#, G, F#, A#, B, B#, C#
C#, A#, G#, G, F#, A#, B, B#, C#
C#, D#, E, G#, F#, A#, B, B#, C#
C#, D#, E, E#, F#, E, D#, D, C#
C#, D#, E, E#, F#, E#, F#, G, G#, B, C#, E, F#, A#, B, B#, C#
G#, A, A#, E, D#, A#, G#, G#, C#
G#, G, G#, A, A#, A, A#, F#, G, A#, C#, E, D#, C#, A#, C#
C#, B, A#, E, D#, A#, G#, A#, B, B#, C#


Key Db

Db, F, Gb, G, Ab, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Db, Eb, Fb, F, Gb, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Db, F, Ab, Bb, Cb, Bb, Ab, F, Db
Db, F, Ab, G, Gb, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Db, Cb, Ab, G, Gb, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Db, Bb, Ab, G, Gb, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Db, Eb, Fb, Ab, Gb, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Db, Eb, Fb, F, Gb, Fb, Eb, D, Db
Db, Eb, Fb, F, Gb, F, Gb, G, Ab, Cb, Db, Fb, Gb, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Ab, A, Bb, Fb, Eb, Bb, Ab, Ab, Db
Ab, G, Ab, A, Bb, A, Ab, Gb, G, Bb, Db, Fb, Eb, Db, Bb, Db
Db, Cb, Bb, Fb, Eb, Bb, Ab, Bb, Cb, C, Db
Real musicians play in every key!!!
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2008, 03:33:20 AM »
Thanks T..
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2008, 11:32:01 AM »
I saw your last posting under posting, Musallio. Looks good. I have it in my file.  Thanks,

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2008, 04:17:05 PM »
I saw your last posting under posting, Musallio. Looks good. I have it in my file.  Thanks,

berbie   

Thanks Berbie..
There is so much I want to post, but my school workload is just tantamount , gets worse as exams approach >:( :'(
I'l proly post something decent after October 3.
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2008, 09:39:59 AM »
Hey T, for your last post, what is the timing for those bass-lines? What is the timing for the chords?
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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2008, 11:55:45 AM »
Fenix, if you don't mind, I will tell you how I use those bass runs.  I play them according to the beat of the song. Just a 4/4 or whatever at the beat being used.  With my rignt hand, I will play the song.  Most of the time, the right hand is doing something totally different but at the same bpm.  If the song calls for it, I will change the run to fit, then go right back to the beat. 

I totally internalize the run so that it is on automatic.  Then I can freely use my right hand.  You can change the run(order of notes)without affecting the beat, then go back to the original notes. It would be like you were playing a bass guitar on a walking beat.

 I don't know about the major/minor chords except that they sound good.  I would like info on their use.

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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2008, 01:46:50 PM »
Fenix, if you don't mind, I will tell you how I use those bass runs.  I play them according to the beat of the song. Just a 4/4 or whatever at the beat being used.  With my rignt hand, I will play the song.  Most of the time, the right hand is doing something totally different but at the same bpm.  If the song calls for it, I will change the run to fit, then go right back to the beat. 

I totally internalize the run so that it is on automatic.  Then I can freely use my right hand.  You can change the run(order of notes)without affecting the beat, then go back to the original notes. It would be like you were playing a bass guitar on a walking beat.

 I don't know about the major/minor chords except that they sound good.  I would like info on their use.

berbie

DITTO :)

The following are just jazzy progressions I play with very deep bass on the LH & piano on the RH:

In Db

7-3-6-2-5-1-4-b7

[7] C/Db-Eb-Gb-Bb
[3] F/C-Eb-G-Ab
[6] Bb/Db-F-Ab-C, D-G-Ab-C
[2] Eb/Db-F-Gb-Bb
[5] Ab/C-F-Gb-Bb
[1] Db/Bb-Db-Eb-F-Ab
[4] Gb/Bb-Db-Eb-F-Ab
[b7] Cb/Bb-Eb-Gb-Ab

(repeat)

In Db

b7-6-2-5-1

[b7] Cb/Gb-Bb-Db-Eb-F
[6]  Bb/Eb-G-Ab-C
[2]  Eb/Db-F-Gb-Bb
[5]  Ab/C-F-Gb-Bb
[1]  Db/F-Ab-Bb-Eb

(repeat)

The following one was a big 1 for me.
I 1st did a 7-3-6-2-5-1-4-b7 in Gb, then I did 1 in Db. Thereafter I combined the progressions to come up with this 1..Of course I modified my inversions so that I didn't move around too much.
I use a very deep bass on my left (like Fretless/ House etc) & piano on the RH.

The exciting part about the following progression is that you can actually play the 1st chord, then jump to the 3rd, then 5th & it sounds like that's how it's "ought" to be.
so experiment around it & personalise if you like the jazzy sound. For instane, straight after the 1st chord, you could go to the 6 in Gb chord then the 5 in Db etc ;):

[key I based the chord on] Bass/ RH or LH

[b7 in Gb]  Fb/Cb-Db-Eb-Gb-Ab   
[7 in Db]   C/Bb-Db-Eb-Gb-Bb
[7 in Gb]  F/Cb-Eb-Gb-Ab
[3 in Db]  F/C-Eb-G-Ab
[3 in Gb]  Bb/Db-F-Ab-C
[6 in Db]  Bb/D-G-Ab-C
[2 in Db]  Eb/Db-F-G-C
[6 in Gb]  Eb/Db-F-Gb-Bb
[2 in Gb]  Ab/Cb-Eb-Gb-Bb
[5 in Db]  Ab/C-F-Gb-Bb
[5 in Gb]  Db/C-F-Gb-Bb
[1 in Db]  Db/Bb-Eb-F-Ab
[1 in Gb]  Gb/Bb-Db-Eb-Ab
[4 in Db]  Gb/Bb-Db-Eb-F-Ab
[b7 in Db] Cb/Bb-Eb-Gb-Ab
[4 in Gb]  Cb/Bb-Db-Eb-Gb-Ab

(repeat)

Now the great thing with the above system is you are actually modulating temporarily all the time. The more keys you base your chords on, the more challenging it will be.

The brackets there are very useful for me because when I am coming up with chord combos, I just use the numbers & if what I have chosen requires me to jump around, I just play the inversion that allows minimal movement.

I hope this helps you to start thinking "outside the box" when dealing with progressions.

Memphiskey, I hope you see how I've just come up with that..I know you're very keen to learn how to create one's own progressions. ;)



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Re: Learn Every Key: C#/Db
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2008, 01:58:59 PM »
Oops!
almost forot to add my alternative to the 2-5 walkup & 5-1...
this is a very popular progression & applies to 90 % of the songs I play (if not more). again, deep bass on LH.

in Db

#1-#2-#4 or #5-5 then 5-#5-#6-1

D/ A-Db-Eb-Gb
E/ Ab-Db-Eb-F
G or A/A-Db-Eb-Ab
Ab/ Ab-Db-^Eb-F   ^=trill

Ab/Gb-Bb-C-Eb
A/E-A-C#
B/F#-B-D#
C#/G#-(B#)-C#-F

(repeat)
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