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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2008, 06:40:54 PM »
This is a cool topic!!! (allthough it doesnt really have too much to do with prop 8 anymore :) )

the thing is:
GOD DID NOT CREATE EVIL!!!!

the big problem is that we think that evil is a kind of thing... but it is actually nothing...
The great writer C S Lewis who was a master of apologetics  explains evil by using the oicture of shadow.
Shadow is not a thing really it is more a place or space were some thing is missing.
There is no shadow if there is light!
So the basic thought behind that is that evil can only exist when there is good!
The theologian and also apologian greg koukl explains evil also by using the picture of a donut.
Have youve ever eaten the hole of the donut? Obviously not, because it is nothing. It is the place or space were the donut ends or is missing, so to say....
If there is no evil then there is no good aswell
EVIL IS NOT A THING WHICH HAD TO BE CREATED. Evil is the LACK OF GOODNESS/GODNESS.

ok.... thats it so far....
if youre now asking yourselves why evil can exist when god is all powerful then i can answer it aswell if you wish....

btw:  i dont want to be the teacher in here and talk down to you or be rude the thing is that ive talked about that recently with some friends and studied some stuff on it..... that helped me a lot since i started to think a bit outside the box...

This might make a bit more sense if you said, "darkness" istead of "shadows".  Unless you're in a properly lighted TV studio and the lighting director doesn't want there to be shadows...there will be shadows when there's light.  (I.E: the groundhog)

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2008, 06:41:35 PM »
"There is no shadow if there is light!"
you are right!
it doesnt make sense!
I meant:
Shadows do not exist in the sense that they are something. Shadows are rather were light is not.



why do you think that the rest doesn make sense?
explain it to me.

thanx for spotting the mistake tho!
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2008, 11:13:30 PM »
This was an issue in Tennessee a few elections back.
BEATBOXER said what I been saying that since this has became an issue. Being Black and being gay are completing different cause I can't wake up and decide to be a different race. They need to quit with comparing the civil rights movement with gay rights. MLK and other people died for the rights of people of different races and not for alternate lifestyles that can mess someone up.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2008, 11:40:11 PM »

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Shadow is not a thing really it is more a place or space were some thing is missing
There is no shadow if there is light! Shadows do not exist in the sense that they are something. Shadows are rather were light is not
So the basic thought behind that is that evil can only exist when there is good!
EVIL IS NOT A THING WHICH HAD TO BE CREATED. Evil is the LACK OF GOODNESS/GODNESS.

You kind of contradicted yourself there but you later corrected yourself, I guess that's the part that didn't make sense, lol...

I agree with you though... When God created earth is was dark and without form-- it was void, meaning it was empty and lacked light... the darkness was simply the absence of light... Where God is, there is light... where he isn't, there is darkness, a void... When Jesus died on the cross he felt that void in his heart, which is why he said "why hast thou forsaken me"...

Whoa.....I actually forgot my point while typing this... I'm tired. Goodnite, lol!!!

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2008, 02:08:49 AM »

You kind of contradicted yourself there but you later corrected yourself, I guess that's the part that didn't make sense, lol...



I dont see any contradiction there to be honest. Here is why:
Shadows do not exist in the sense that they had to be created intentionally, still they are there... If there is no light then there is also no shadow but only darkness.
what do you think?
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2008, 10:13:26 AM »
I dont see any contradiction there to be honest. Here is why:
Shadows do not exist in the sense that they had to be created intentionally, still they are there... If there is no light then there is also no shadow but only darkness.
what do you think?

Yea, I was tired last night... I had a point but I forgot it... Well what I was saying was that first you said (well you actually implied) that evil is the ABSENCE of good, then you said implied that evil is PRESENT only when good is there... How can something be ABSENT and PRESENT at the same time, you know?

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but I'm just saying that it's kind of like a paradox, I guess... It wasn't that you were incorrect (as I wrongly stated)... it's just that the actual situation itself is seemingly contradictory, and thus wouldn't make much sense to many people.



But like I said before, I was tired, what

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #146 on: November 21, 2008, 12:13:41 PM »
Got this article in my inbox and I thought I will share this with y'all as it is relevant to the topic

Be Blessed

 
Deceived by Homosexuality
Being attracted to the same sex was as normal and natural to me as it was for a man and woman to be attracted to each other.  I did not want to be drawn to the same sex, but for me these same sex attractions were all I had ever known. I do not think anybody feels elated with the discovery of their homosexual feelings. I think they just try somehow to make it right.

Now, I had two possible choices to make.  1)  I could believe I was born gay and embrace my sexuality, or 2) I could believe God’s word that says I was not created this way and there is a way out.  Over the years I have bounced between these two choices.  The decision that has brought me the most freedom and joys this side of heaven has been choice number 2.

When I was traveling down road number 1, I was deceived and just trying to make it work.  I drank a lot, was emotionally a wreck, and I exhibited dangerous behaviors.  Suicide seemed to be the only way out of my misery.  I was captive to my unwanted same sex attractions.

Colossians 2:8 talks about how we as Christians CAN be taken captive:  See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. What God says about homosexuality — NOT the world -- was what I choose to believe.

The world says this is who you are.  Do not deny yourself your sexuality. Be who God created you to be. I think this is a lie from the father of lies—satan.  The truth, that comes only from God, says a homosexual is not who you are.  He wants us to draw into Him and let Him tell us who we are In Christ.

So what happens when we do choose number 1?  We hang out with people who agree with us.  2 Timothy 4:3-4 confirms this.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the TRUTH and turn aside to myths.

What is truth anyway?  Truth is reality as perceived by God, not the world. There will always be people around who will verify what we want to hear.  In fact, the world bombards us every day with lies about homosexuality and how it is okay.  I had to make a choice.  You have to make a choice.  Believe God or believe the world’s view and what your feelings (which lie) are telling you.

Truth verses lies. These battles have been raging since the Garden of Eden.  Choose wisely this day who you will serve, the creature or the Creator.  The choice is yours and the choice is mine.

God bless you all and may the Lord Jesus Christ give you the strength to make the right decision.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #147 on: November 21, 2008, 03:33:09 PM »
Got this article in my inbox and I thought I will share this with y'all as it is relevant to the topic

Be Blessed

 
Deceived by Homosexuality
Being attracted to the same sex was as normal and natural to me as it was for a man and woman to be attracted to each other.  I did not want to be drawn to the same sex, but for me these same sex attractions were all I had ever known. I do not think anybody feels elated with the discovery of their homosexual feelings. I think they just try somehow to make it right.

Now, I had two possible choices to make.  1)  I could believe I was born gay and embrace my sexuality, or 2) I could believe God’s word that says I was not created this way and there is a way out.  Over the years I have bounced between these two choices.  The decision that has brought me the most freedom and joys this side of heaven has been choice number 2.

When I was traveling down road number 1, I was deceived and just trying to make it work.  I drank a lot, was emotionally a wreck, and I exhibited dangerous behaviors.  Suicide seemed to be the only way out of my misery.  I was captive to my unwanted same sex attractions.

Colossians 2:8 talks about how we as Christians CAN be taken captive:  See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. What God says about homosexuality — NOT the world -- was what I choose to believe.

The world says this is who you are.  Do not deny yourself your sexuality. Be who God created you to be. I think this is a lie from the father of lies—satan.  The truth, that comes only from God, says a homosexual is not who you are.  He wants us to draw into Him and let Him tell us who we are In Christ.

So what happens when we do choose number 1?  We hang out with people who agree with us.  2 Timothy 4:3-4 confirms this.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the TRUTH and turn aside to myths.

What is truth anyway?  Truth is reality as perceived by God, not the world. There will always be people around who will verify what we want to hear.  In fact, the world bombards us every day with lies about homosexuality and how it is okay.  I had to make a choice.  You have to make a choice.  Believe God or believe the world’s view and what your feelings (which lie) are telling you.

Truth verses lies. These battles have been raging since the Garden of Eden.  Choose wisely this day who you will serve, the creature or the Creator.  The choice is yours and the choice is mine.

God bless you all and may the Lord Jesus Christ give you the strength to make the right decision.

Redeemed,

Right on man. Good story. This man embraced the truth rather than twisting it for his own benefit.

Homosexuality at the end of the day is paganism. Sexuality is such a small aspect of life, and these gay rights people live and fight for it tirelessly. They literally worship and serve God's creation (the body, sex) and not God, the creator.

Here's my view on whether or not somebody can be a "gay Christian". I say no. They cannot. The bible is very clear that no one born of God makes a practice or habit of sinning.

HERE'S THE KEY TO MY POINT. Please follow.

Later in 1 John chapter 5:16-17 John speaks very clearly about SIN that actually LEADS TO DEATH (separation from God, hell). He makes it very clear that their are sins that DO NOT LEAD TO DEATH, and SINS THAT DO LEAD TO DEATH.

When John wrote this he understood the dilemma that some Christians face. "If we sin are we doomed to death, hell, separation from God?" He makes it very clear that their is sin that doesn't **** us. This is great news for all of us who are truly following Christ because we all are very aware that we have sin in our lives every hour, everyday. 1 John is very clear about this. Those who are believers have an advocate, a savior, Jesus Christ.

BUT, their is sin that DOES LEAD TO DEATH.  I believe the sin John is referring is the sin we see in the story of Esau (spelling?) in which this man sinned and was given over to his sin. He sought repentance with tears in his last days and couldn't find it. It's the deep-seeded, habitual, rooted, relentless sin, that actually leads to death.

Being gay is really a lifestyle of worship that completely contradicts God's word and instruction. Those who believe the God of the bible cannot ignore it. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone but to be honest, the gospel we hold so dear is a very offensive one.

I'll end with saying I'm open to listen, learn.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #148 on: November 21, 2008, 04:01:20 PM »
the word bleeped out above was *****. It was used in a proper way haha.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #149 on: November 21, 2008, 04:02:07 PM »
It was bleeped a third time!



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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #150 on: November 21, 2008, 04:11:15 PM »
It was bleeped a third time!

Didnt you get the list of words we cant say? Well here it is below:

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #151 on: November 21, 2008, 05:06:59 PM »
Didnt you get the list of words we cant say? Well here it is below:

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*****
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Extremely helpful. Stank you.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #152 on: December 02, 2008, 07:22:54 PM »
I'm late to this....haven't been on here in a while..I just read all the pages....crazy....haha...I had time to kill at school...I know a guy who went to my high school....he never remembered liking guys as a kid....he used to like girls....and still does....but now since he started in his teens he started liking guys....I don't know...he's a christian too...he was telling me his story and told me that pornography opened doors....thats when he started being attracted to guys....what do you guys have to say about that?
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #153 on: December 02, 2008, 10:26:55 PM »
Like marijuana is a gateway drug, so is pornography to gateway sexual perversion.
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2008, 10:47:49 PM »
Like marijuana is a gateway drug, so is pornography to gateway sexual perversion.

Weed aint no gateway drug. You watch too many after school specials.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #155 on: December 03, 2008, 02:32:19 PM »
Weed aint no gateway drug. You watch too many after school specials.

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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #156 on: December 03, 2008, 03:25:00 PM »
not to be sarcastic, but i really have never seen a after-school special.  ;D
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #157 on: December 03, 2008, 03:33:38 PM »
Do you have anything to back that up?


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.  He created Adam and Eve, not adam and steve.  So no people are not born GAY!.
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #158 on: December 03, 2008, 03:36:15 PM »
NO

He said:

To me thats way more confusing than homosexuality. Zak said that God made us in his image, So if a hermaprodite, can be made in his image, I dont see why a Gay person cant.



I can see someone's been taking cookies from the cookie jar way to much.  You've been drinking way to much sugar in your koolaid to not understand the logic and makeup of humankind.
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Re: PROP 8
« Reply #159 on: December 03, 2008, 03:41:47 PM »

Youre right.  Homosexuality is a state of mind.  But you dont make the choice to be attracted to male or female.  It happens naturally.  Sometimes a human being is born with the same sex attraction.  I honestly cant tell you why I like big booty light skinned chicks and my cousin likes dark skinned chicks with long hair.  Nobody told me what to like.  I just started liking whatever I like.  lol  This is so funny.  I think you should take 30 minutes out of your schedual to interview a gay person.  Most will tell you they've always been that way.  Im not speaking for the one's who make that choice later on in life just to defy society or God and his biblical will.


Have some little evidence that gives more insight against the theory people are boarn gay...


This discussion really first began in 1993 when Science, a respected research journal, published a study by Dean Hamer that ignited a “Born Gay” myth that later exploded into a firestorm. Hamer claimed that Science was “on the verge of proving that homosexuality is innate, genetic and, therefore, unchangeable–a normal variant of human nature.”

In actuality, though, no such discovery had been made. In fact, Mr. Hamer himself (also a gay-identified man) later responded, “environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay…I don’t think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.”

The Scripture helps us to understand God’s position on the matter, and gives us some insight into the heart and mind of God as it relates to this destructive behavior. The Apostle Paul in writing to the Church at Rome made a powerful statement concerning the “Wrath of God” being poured out against all “unrighteousness and ungodliness .”

He writes in Romans 1:26-27: “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

From these two verses we learn a great deal. We see that homosexuality is against nature for mankind. If gay people are born gay, why would God tell us it is against nature?

God said being homosexual is against nature because not one single person ever was or ever will be born gay! It is a lifestyle that people have chosen and it is a sin!

Let me state once more just in case you didn’t read it right: All human beings are born sinners, have a sin nature, separated from God, and have the propensity to commit all kinds of sinful acts! In either case, God still holds mankind responsible for their actions and will someday judge people according to His holy standard of righteousness.

Every person born into this world has the responsibility to recognize his sinful and lost condition before a holy God, repent of his sin, and receive God’s free gift of eternal life through His dear Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ!

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this is from http://blackapologist.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/homosexuality-are-people-born-gay/

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