Gospel musicians playing secular music

[ddwilkins]

Quick Question, did you guys actually my post?

Okay here is your answer.  It doesn't only apply to music.

1.)  Like I stated in the post, what makes a Songs a Song is lyrics.  Take any Classical Music Course, and the professor will verify my last statement.

ddwilkins,  I feel the "Holier than thou...." comment was a bit far fetched from the tone of this conversation. 

I totally agree with what you stated in statement #1 because I previously said that in a previous post in the conversation many pages ago. Now as far as me saying "Holier than thou," I stand 100% behind that because that's how some poster's comments come across. They be posting their doctrine, or closed minded comments, versus being open with their conversation. With you being a minister, I can tell that you are about winning souls for Christ because I don't see where you would judge someone for what they are doing, but would try to lead them from negative things. Alot of times, we don't see that with ministers. They tend to talk down to people because of their sin, but not love the person. We all know that God is about love, and regardless of what we do, he still loves us. He doesn't love the sin, but the person is who is loved. With that said, there may be instances where some things may seem far fetched, but reading something via the internet can be misleading.

[phbrown]

Should a Gangster Rapper be allowed, to lead the Choir?

I wonder if Snoop Dogg was to write a gospel song how would it turn out ......

[Torch7]

He said that they were playing clean secular music. So why do you guys always go to the extreme and use examples like porn photos, stripper dancing and Tupac when where on the level of baby photos, Ballet and Miles Davis? In case you havent noticed, we arent talking about vulgar music, but the church still has a problem with it.

I defined "SECULAR" twice as being that which separates from religion.  Take it how you like.   You got two posts mixed, FenderJazzGuy, (who happens to be a friend of mines, who I respect, as a man, and as a believer, so please don't get it twisted, this is simply conversation.) posted, he would play clean music, to keep food on the table, the comment that I quoted, didn't say clean music.  He simply said, that professional musicians would not be allowed to play at the church.  So that's why I posted the second question.  Again, I said it is Rhetorical, rhetorical questions are designed to make one think.  It seems that on posts when trying to prove points, people go to extremes, on both sides.

ddwilkins, I feel you, however, the argument could go both ways.  Words like "Holier than thou" can be used as a defense.  If no-one ever stood for Holiness, this world would be akin to Sodom and Gomorrah... Not that to play or not to play has to be that extreme, its what is at the heart of the believer that is important.  If I am coming across as a "Holy Roller" to anyone on the board, it's not my intention.... I know my "Farts stink"    I know that outside of His grace, I am nothing.  My own righteousness, is as a bloody maxi-pad.

Fortunately, the standard that I preach, is not mines... but HIS.   And in this context, (Playing Secular Music) I am not preaching, about the music itself, but what can separate us from the beliefs we should hold dear.

Last Post I promise...

You all be blessed.

[Mysteryman]

He said that they were playing clean secular music. So why do you guys always go to the extreme and use examples like porn photos, stripper dancing and Tupac when where on the level of baby photos, Ballet and Miles Davis? In case you havent noticed, we arent talking about vulgar music, but the church still has a problem with it.

With the porn photos I'm being sarcastic. Just to show there are limits for Christians. If all these things were bad we might as well turn off the tv and make our own communities. 

[FenderJazzGuy]

This topic is just meant to get different views on the subject. Sometimes we may not agree with some ones view but it should still be respected. We all may be on different roads but we all have the SAME destination.

[BigFoot_BigThumb]

[MyVirtue]

PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE!!!! PLEASE!!!! PLEASE!!!! Burn this thread with fire Lord... PLEASE!!! Jesus, GOD, HOLY SPIRIT!!! why dont ya help us out!

[under13]

With the porn photos I'm being sarcastic. Just to show there are limits for Christians. If all these things were bad we might as well turn off the tv and make our own communities. 

My problem is that most church people go to those extremes, but they arent being sarcastic

as for building our own communities I'm surprised some of the "sanctified" folks haven't done that, so they wouldn't have to be in the world.

[betnich]

as for building our own communities I'm surprised some of the "sanctified" folks haven't done that, so they wouldn't have to be in the world.

Some groups have tried that, but the spirit of the world moves right along with them...

[betnich]

Maybe it's time for a lock on this thread???

[under13]

Maybe it's time for a lock on this thread???

Why? If one doesent like the thread, they dont have to open it.

[betnich]

But it keeps popping up on my 'replies' page....maybe we could have the option to unsubscribe from individual threads???

[arthur59]

Well, I think.........

just jiving!!!!

Have a bless day everyone,in Jesus name.

[betnich]

{stirring pot}

How about a thread on Secular artists doing Gospel? Allowed or not?

[FenderJazzGuy]

{stirring pot}

How about a thread on Secular artists doing Gospel? Allowed or not?

HA HA yes that IS stirring the pot!

[FenderJazzGuy]

I know this topic has been beaten like a dead horse but I ran across this short article and thought I'd share. Any thoughts?


Your Secular Work Is Ministry
TGIF Today God Is First Volume 2, by Os Hillman
01-10-2010

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving (Col 3:23-25).

I sat across the table from the well known seminary professor and former missionary as he asked me a very direct question: "So, Os, tell me about this faith at work movement." "Well, there's really nothing complicated about it. I believe every person's work can be viewed as a ministry if done with a motive to glorify God based upon Colossians 3:23," I responded.

"How can you say that if you're not sharing the gospel in that job? You would have to be actively sharing your faith for it to be construed as ministry," he argued.

"No, that's not true. The work itself is ministry because the word for ministry and service come from the same Greek root word, diakonia. When you are serving others even through your secular work and do it with a motive to glorify God, that's why it is ministry. In fact, the Bible says you'll receive an inheritance when you do," I said.

We continued bantering back and forth on the issue. I continued, "God created even secular work to meet human needs. Man began to divide work into spiritual and non-spiritual terms which introduced a form of dualism in the third and fourth centuries. But God never secularized our work. He desires our work to be viewed as worship."

We concluded our meeting in disagreement. However, a few months later I met my friend at a booksellers convention. "Hey, you were right Os! I've done my study and work really is ministry because it is service. This man went on to write a book on the subject and said this; "Think about this. If you are filling someone's teeth, you are ministering to your patient. If you are playing in a symphony orchestra, you are ministering to the audience. If you are flying an airplane, you are ministering to the passengers. If you wait on tables, you are ministering to the customers. All of that clearly fits under biblical diakonia."

It was the first time I'd ever won a theological argument with a theologian!

[pocham]

My brother I agree with your statement whole heartedly! As I was reading your statement I thought about Tim Teabow he plays football in the world but never fails to give all the glory to our Lord and Saviour! In my devotional this morning it talked about "Following our example" 1 Timothy 4:12 says Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers. I feel that also means be an example to the unbelievers as well cause they are watching to! o in all we do, do it all for the glory of God!

[jeremyr]

My brother I agree with your statement whole heartedly! As I was reading your statement I thought about Tim Teabow he plays football in the world but never fails to give all the glory to our Lord and Saviour! In my devotional this morning it talked about "Following our example" 1 Timothy 4:12 says Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers. I feel that also means be an example to the unbelievers as well cause they are watching to! o in all we do, do it all for the glory of God!

I've always tried to understand the Teabow thing and I have to ask.

What exactly does he do on the field as a football player to give honor to God (i'm talking outside of his bible verse eye blacks)?

[sjonathan02]

I've always tried to understand the Teabow thing and I have to ask.

What exactly does he do on the field as a football player to give honor to God (i'm talking outside of his bible verse eye blacks)?

Never seen 'Facing the Giants'?

I equate it to what one does on their secular job to honor God. *kanyeshrug*

[Torch7]

I know this topic has been beaten like a dead horse but I ran across this short article and thought I'd share. Any thoughts?


Your Secular Work Is Ministry
TGIF Today God Is First Volume 2, by Os Hillman
01-10-2010

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving (Col 3:23-25).

First let me say, I subscribe to Os Hillman, and enjoy his devotionals.  That scripture needs Col 3:22 to see it in further context.

22  Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;

The scriptures speaks about having the attitude, and attributes of a servants heart & mindset towards others.  Not only while those who are in charge are looking at you, but also when they are not, because ultimately God sees everything you do.  While this scipture could  be relevant in bigger scheme of things, I think the argument on this board is more often about "is the content of secular  music appropriate" moreso than arguing if "playing outside of church being an issue".


I have thought that before too Jeremyr.