I want to know the real reason why musicans need top pay at a church?

[kodacolor]

P.S.: Is that you Rown? Still stirring up trouble on LGM?    Same sentence structure and everything!  you're kinda easy to spot bruh

rown => ubc_rown => MoeDeep1

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH     

[robin of drummin]

Dude its okay....truth being told, I use to think just like you, and the fam on here are witness to that. Truthfully I have never been paid by a church, yeah I have received love offerings, but I never been on salary. But there comes a point when enough is enough. Half these pastors out here could give a flying fling about you. First of all their #1 priority is suppose to be ministry. If a pastor sees me or hears me play, approaches me, and ask me to be a part of their music ministry, my first question would be "How much are you paying??" Why?? Because first off, you didn't show any interest in my well being as a christian, heck you don't even know if I even have a relationship with God. The fact is you saw my skills on the set, and you thought it would help grow your minitsry. If you would've never saw me blaze the kit I wonder if would've ever even approach me. Time is out for that!! If all you want me for is for what I can offer, then that's all I want you for!!! Truth is I have 4 kids, a wife, and a full-time job. I just recently started bass, and my success in four months has been un-imaginable. I come hhome everyday putting my head in the books, studying theory, studying technique, going over scale after scale, chord after chord EVERYDAY!!! The funny thing about is I didn't understand the point in that stuff until I came on LGM!! Now I can use all I've learned on here for Gods glory. We put hard work into our gift on here, we share idease on here, we give ideas, give advice, heck we even argue and cut each others throat on here....but I gurantee you one thing, it has all helped us for the Good. I gurantee people that have been dedicated here are way better, more knowledgable, and more mature in their gift than when they started here. That's priceless dude!!! And for what for some church to take it for granted?? Yeah right!!! Don't get me wrong I may end up playing at another for free, but you best believe there gonna want me for my person, and my spirit, before my musicianship!!!

"And Can the Church say amen"
bout to get my shout on with that quote
You have no idea how many time i've been approached in that matter and come ask my self are they concerned about my well being rather than my skill, mind you I ain't all that annointed may be, but not that blessed with skill

[L.V.Drumma]

I think itll rain soon. Make sure ur nose is down.

[fretai03]

gobledeegoop

[eldclark]

The real reason is because the word of God say to. LOL Rather the use of money or other means A MUSICIAN IS TO BE TOTALLY CARED FOR JUST LIKE A PASTOR by the church! Email me if you need a specific scriptures at: eldclark@yahoo.com
Plus it's not that serious!!

God Bless Everybody and Happy New Year

[eldclark]

this question isn't that serious but the notion that displays confusion IS The word of God is whats suppose to bring us all on one accord! The fact still remains that we as people of God is still allowing self to come in and tear down the notion of brotherhood amongst the saints!!! We NEED TO DO BETTER

GOD BLESS EVERYONE

[musician4life]

I was called and asked to play for the church I'm playing for currently.

"We are getting drums, but we need someone who can play them. Will you play for us?"

They didn't ask me anything other than will I play for them. Now, the reality is, their were a few Methodist's churches that were forced to combine into one, and that made their congregation larger, and it made their music department better. Not to mention, quite a few of the members of the church left to go to that church, because something was happening over there.

So, they figured if they were going to COMPETE, they had better bring in some music, at least. Instead getting one of the children in the church to play(...and there were quite a few parents upset that they hired someone to play when their child was eager to learn and play for free), they hired me.

Admittedly, when I met with the deacons and trustee's to discuss pay, they were all..."*rubs hands together* ... You know ... well ... we're not a big congregation ...and... well ... heh ... you know ....*rub hands*"

 


In any case...

...OH!!

...and I have had a few visiting Pastors try to steal me away WHILE THEY WERE AT THE CHURCH! "Hey, son ... is this your church? If so, how much are they paying you?" One of the deacons overheard one of the Pastors trying to steal me away, and he jumped in acting like it was all a joke ...... but he jumped in.

That is where many churches are nowadays. I'll be doggone if I'm going to play for free when the Pastor is making close to 1,000 a Sunday. No offense, but the people are sleeping when he's preaching, and bouncing all over the place when the music is being played.

[Gibby]

shoot...i'm curious to see those scriptures! Just post them eldclark!

M4L, I visited a church where the pastor was bashing musicians (prolly cuz he didn't have any!  ) he was saying "that's what's wrong with the saints today...waiting for the organ player to hit a chord to shout! They should shout without it!" and the saints were hoopin' and hollerin' 

I was like     *___________________*

that's an insult to musicians....

well if some pastors feel that music is not important, then so be it.  I think of it this way: Music will draw the people and the preaching will keep them.

[joshuag]

I may be 13 but at least I can write on a college level, unlike yourself.

hahah boy you know you arent under 13.... hahahahah



that's why you can write on a college level. hahahah

[joshuag]

shoot...i'm curious to see those scriptures! Just post them eldclark!

M4L, I visited a church where the pastor was bashing musicians (prolly cuz he didn't have any!  ) he was saying "that's what's wrong with the saints today...waiting for the organ player to hit a chord to shout! They should shout without it!" and the saints were hoopin' and hollerin' 

I was like     *___________________*

that's an insult to musicians....

well if some pastors feel that music is not important, then so be it.  I think of it this way: Music will draw the people and the preaching will keep them.

i will agree partly to this statement. i feel musicians at times get treated like slaves, and is expected to be at every service and run up and down the road no matter if they have a family or not.

[sjonathan02]

PPPWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[musician4life]

i will agree partly to this statement. i feel musicians at times get treated like slaves, and is expected to be at every service and run up and down the road no matter if they have a family or not.

I've been in countless services where the Pastor gave honor to everyone sitting on the pulpit all the way down to the ushers...

...and never once mentioned the musicians. We are taken for granted by too many churches. Period.

[musicbishop]

I've asked this question many times in my mind as well. Finally I just had to agree with both sides of the argument.

The church I go to none of the musicians are paid, but that's mostly by choice. When no one else really gave us a chance this church did and this is where and how our talent grew. So out of apreciation for our church and love for music we play for free, but we have also been blessed in our works. Our church is a small church but they blessed the bass player with a five string tobias, the keyboard player after leaving for money and coming back numerous of times was blessed by way of helping to pay off his motif and the list can go on. So although we're not payed we love what we do and benefit from what we do.

On the flip side I also sing which helps me understand they wanting to get paid side. As a quartet singer often times people want you, your group, and your equipment at programs and don't even want to give a love offering. I remember talking to Daryl Coley on this issue at a conference. He said often times people will try to pimp your gift, use you till they get tired of you and then replace you with someone else. In no way shape form or fashion do I like being taken advantage of and nor do i believe God's people should be taken advantage of.  So sometimes it's reasonable to pay up, especially if you have high demands and expectations of that musician.

Just my thoughts on the subject

[JFunky]

...I "heart" LGM Drum Room. lol   

[Gibby]

I've asked this question many times in my mind as well. Finally I just had to agree with both sides of the argument.

The church I go to none of the musicians are paid, but that's mostly by choice. When no one else really gave us a chance this church did and this is where and how our talent grew. So out of apreciation for our church and love for music we play for free, but we have also been blessed in our works. Our church is a small church but they blessed the bass player with a five string tobias, the keyboard player after leaving for money and coming back numerous of times was blessed by way of helping to pay off his motif and the list can go on. So although we're not payed we love what we do and benefit from what we do.

On the flip side I also sing which helps me understand they wanting to get paid side. As a quartet singer often times people want you, your group, and your equipment at programs and don't even want to give a love offering. I remember talking to Daryl Coley on this issue at a conference. He said often times people will try to pimp your gift, use you till they get tired of you and then replace you with someone else. In no way shape form or fashion do I like being taken advantage of and nor do i believe God's people should be taken advantage of.  So sometimes it's reasonable to pay up, especially if you have high demands and expectations of that musician.

Just my thoughts on the subject

Dang...that's decent too!  Get me another guitar...lol! j/k

[musicbishop]

Dang...that's decent too!  Get me another guitar...lol! j/k

If you can play like the wisdom you impart on us in these hallowed forum pages you'd probably earn one LOL

[Gibby]

If you can play like the wisdom you impart on us in these hallowed forum pages you'd probably earn one LOL

thank you for the compliment...I think 

I did get an amp from this guy who heard me play tho'...and I was on a live recording that's coming out either this month or february(sp)...and invited to play with a house band at this club in Tally.  but I digress...

But that's nice that the church didn't leave the musicians unnoticed. 

[musicbishop]

thank you for the compliment...I think 

I did get an amp from this guy who heard me play tho'...and I was on a live recording that's coming out either this month or february(sp)...and invited to play with a house band at this club in Tally.  but I digress...

But that's nice that the church didn't leave the musicians unnoticed.  

cool no problem it's just good to have those around here look into helping others rather bringing them down.

My church for as long as I can remember the motto was the little church with a big heart. It in so many ways has been a part of who we are. They may not be able to afford to pay musicians but the fact of the matter is we're taken care of. Even when the keyboard player decided to go out and try other things, we didn't look for another musician the bass player, the guitar player, and the drummer held it down. that just how it is for us though and it's a blessing.

[L.V.Drumma]

I've asked this question many times in my mind as well. Finally I just had to agree with both sides of the argument.

The church I go to none of the musicians are paid, but that's mostly by choice. When no one else really gave us a chance this church did and this is where and how our talent grew. So out of apreciation for our church and love for music we play for free, but we have also been blessed in our works. Our church is a small church but they blessed the bass player with a five string tobias, the keyboard player after leaving for money and coming back numerous of times was blessed by way of helping to pay off his motif and the list can go on. So although we're not payed we love what we do and benefit from what we do.

On the flip side I also sing which helps me understand they wanting to get paid side. As a quartet singer often times people want you, your group, and your equipment at programs and don't even want to give a love offering. I remember talking to Daryl Coley on this issue at a conference. He said often times people will try to pimp your gift, use you till they get tired of you and then replace you with someone else. In no way shape form or fashion do I like being taken advantage of and nor do i believe God's people should be taken advantage of.  So sometimes it's reasonable to pay up, especially if you have high demands and expectations of that musician.

Just my thoughts on the subject

Thats really good.  I was about to say I wish my church did but i wouldve been a fool if i did so. In January or February of 2007 the church got me a 6-piece Mapex Pro M set which at the time was $1299. On my birthday of 2008 i got a pair of 13" AAX Fast Hats. And on my birthday of 2009 I got a Roc-N-Soc Nitro Throne.  And the pastor(my dad) pays for the sticks.  I came into realization that it isnt the church's priority to buy most of the things I need. I havent changed the heads on my set(Remo Emperors over Ambassadors on toms, Emad 2 and Resonant on kick, and Amabassador Hazy Snare Side) since September of 2008.  Its now 2010. The most recent heads i changed on it was the batter for my 12" Black Panther and both heads on the stock snare.  Yeah i really wish I could change the heads out and go back to the G2 over G1, new Emads on the kick, and new heads for the black panther but i believe thats my responsibility whenever i get some extra money i will tho idk when will that be.  Im thankful for the things they do.  I go to some churches around here and drummers have some broke down sets with the reso heads missing and CB drums-like hardware and low grade cymbals.  One church just had one cymbal and idk what brand it is(somethin cheap) and the hi hats look like somebody was starvin and bit a big chunk out of the B8 hi hats. Pitiful. And you look and they have a nice B3 organ and the church is decently big but the drums are the most pitiful things sitting in the pulpit area.

But on the subject ive seen some musicians and they demand pay when they dont even play that great at all. One drummer just learned how to keep the 2 & 4 and wanted pay lol. Ridiculous. I believe only musicians who are worthy and show their value should get paid.  When i say worthy and show their value, it doesnt mean professional but you should know what you are doing really well(high level intermediate or advanced player).

[L.V.Drumma]

Also a 6-string Albanez bass guitar that i havent touched in a while. Ill learn on it and atleast knw how to play basic stuff befo the 2nd quarter end hopefully.