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Offline Eggs

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Resolving without the circle of 5ths
« on: January 17, 2005, 08:59:44 AM »
This may be an ignorant question, considering what I've learned but:

Are there ways to resolve other than the dominant/circle of 5ths?



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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2005, 09:24:44 AM »
There are alot of ways to resolve such as:

Chromatically.....
Whote Steps.....
Minor 3rds.....
Major Thirds.....
Augments.....

but when you use some of these ways, you may be moving a way from Gospel.

the next thng you may want to do it to use the "Tritone substitution".

EXample in the key of C.  Instead of doing ii, V, I like

D, G, C

you want to try:

Ab, Db, C.

Different chords, same function.

Then you can do the vi, ii, V, I in the key of C like

Eb, Ab, Db, C.


ttthheeeenennnn......you can mix and match....

you can do a ii, V, I in the key of C like:

D, Db, C
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Re: Resolving without the circle of 5ths
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2005, 11:42:28 AM »
Quote from: Eggs
This may be an ignorant question, considering what I've learned but:

Are there ways to resolve other than the dominant/circle of 5ths?



Thanks,
God bless,
Eggs





yes to your question!.........but, you cannot call a progression a 2-5-1 unless it is utilizing the 2-5-1 of that paticular scale......

if i do a Dm TO AN Ebm TO A AbM TO a GM.....THEN WHAT I HAVE DONE IN ESSENCE IS A 2-2-5-5-1.........I HAVE GONE OUT AND IN THE SCALE TO ACCOMPLISH MY 2-5-1 IN THE KEY OF C.......

NOW ONCE YOU START GOING OUT OF THE SCALE TO RESOLVE, YOU ARE GETTING ADVANCED! AND THAT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD NOT TO BE MIXED WITH BASICS SO TO SPEAK IN ORDER FOR YOU TO REALLY COMPREHEND IT!........IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT, THEN DEAL WITH IT IN WHOLE AND NOT PART!..............IF YOU'RE GOING DEEP, THEN GO DEEP!
gieres.....

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Resolving without the circle of 5ths
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2005, 03:17:38 PM »
Ok,

True dat! True dat!  :D

Amma go deep!  :D

Can you all recommend some good reading, either online or off for me?
Where can I get some good instruction?


God bless,
Eggs

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Resolving without the circle of 5ths
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 09:21:09 AM »
Simple Question;


With a 2-5-1 in the key of Db:

Eb, Ab, Db

what chords should be played with these base notes?
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Resolving without the circle of 5ths
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 10:31:47 AM »
Ok, this is for 4hisglory (or anyone else who would like to answer):

In using Ab, Db, C as "tri-tone substitutions", what are you putting in the bass? I mean are you using the same ii-V-I (d-g-c)?

I think that if I can get a firmer grasp of this, then I gain a greater understanding of the vi,ii, V, I progression using these substitution.


Thanks for your responses.
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2 5 1 tritone sub
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2005, 12:22:52 PM »
thapreacha,
   You can play:
   Ebm, or Ebm7 or Ebm9 or Ebm11, etcc...or Eb7, Eb9....etc...
   Ab...Ab7 or Ab9 or Ab7b9 or Abb9b13....
   Db...DbM7...DbM 6/9
   
sjonathan02
    You are going to put Ab, Db, and C in the bass jfor starters.  I always (even though you don't have to, but I'm still need practice) play the bass notes as the root.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 12:29:21 PM »
ok 4hisglory:

so, then how does a "tri-tone sub" work exactly? Any takers?

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try this!
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2005, 09:22:11 PM »
Quote from: thapreacha
Simple Question;


With a 2-5-1 in the key of Db:

Eb, Ab, Db

what chords should be played with these base notes?




Eb/F#BbC#F______Ab/F#AbCEb_______C#/FAbC#
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Resolving without the circle of 5ths
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2005, 08:58:28 AM »
Jonathan,


I looked into tri-tone substituions, and they are exactly what 4hisglory said they are.  They consist of forming a chord from the flatted fifth of the note to be substituted

Now.... don't confuse this with a tri-tone seventh chord, which is something all together different.  The only thing they have in common is the flatted fifth.

But I have found that these substitutions don't work well with gospel progressions, again, as 4hisglory pointed out, but you can be your own judge.... maybe there are nice ways to use them.


HTH,
God bless,
Eggs
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