I don't mean to step on any fellings if ya'll take thid personally but, I REFUSE to beleive that from ANYONE. If Avedis Zildjian Told Me That Himself I still wouldn't beleive it. If you think about all of the proof and evidence. It's Phyiscally Impossible. #1, Zildjian's Uses Sheet Bronze,Cast Bronze, and Titanium. Sabian uses A mixture between Bronze and Alloy.(that's why they sound so bright). AND, Zildjian uses multiple machines to "HAND" Hammer their cymbals. Sabian actually "HAND" Hammer their cymbals. And the last fact is though both companys "started" in constantinople, Sabian there-after stationed itself on Canada. Zildjian moved directly to America. So again, I don't care who told me I wouldn't beleive it. And actually this would be an very good conversation to have. So if u have any resonable input. HOLLA BACK
FindingLEEMO, I see that your answer was on point! In response to ltcc's post, I think that the salesman meant (or, at least should have said) that Zildjian and Sabian shares the same roots. I'm not sure as to why he made the statement of Zildjian and Sabian are the same company, which would imply that Sabian is a wholly owned subsidary of Zildjian (read: think what PDP Drums are to DW Drums). The Canadian factory that makes Sabian Cymbals used to be owned by the Zildjian Cymbal Company - it became Robert Zildjian's facory after a dispute within the Zildjian family, and thus started the Sabian Cymbals, Ltd.
CATRON, Sabian and Zildjian also uses cast and sheet bronze to create their cymbals. The difference is in the percentage of the metals used in each company's "secret" alloy.
Please note that the word alloy means "a substance composed of two or more metals or of a metal and a nonmetal intimately united usually by being fused together and dissolving in each other when molten; also : the state of union of the components".
By stating "Sabian uses A mixture between Bronze and Alloy.(that's why they sound so bright)." is not a well thought out answer. To list "Zildjian's Uses Sheet Bronze,Cast Bronze, and Titanium" is another answer that wasn't too good, either.
To break it down, Zildjian's cast bronze cymbals are: K Custom, K Zildjian, A Custom, A Zildjian, Z Custom and the FX Series. Sabian's cast bronze cymbals are: the Hand Hammered line, the HHX line, the AA line, the AAX line, the newly released Vault line and the XS20 line. Zildjian's sheet bronze line are: the ZXT Titanium Series, the ZXT Series and the ZBT Series. The ZXT Titanium Series is simply coated with a thin layer of titanium to their cymbals, and should not be confused with being made from titanium.
Sabian's sheet bronze cymbals are: the PROSonix line, the B8 and B8 Pro lines, and select Signature series cymbals. The ONLY hand hammered cymbals that Sabian produces are from the Hand Hammered and HHX (Hand Hammered Extreme) lines. The proper nomenclature of sheet bronze cymbals is B8 and the proper nomenclature for cast bronze cymbals is B20.
Furthermore, "brightness" of cymbals are controlled by many variables, and should not be confused with just one factor of the composition of a cymbal. I don't have the time to go into the details of these variables, but you should research it to be better educated on our craft! [/u]
