Topic: i do't know the name to these Chords (Read 6040 times)

newgreaterlover · « **on:** April 29, 2005, 12:17:11 PM »

LH/RH

G/FABbD
C/EABbD
F/EbGAC
F#/EbF#AC

IF SOMEONE CAN TELL ME HOW TO NAME THESE CHORDS IT WOULD HELP ME THANKS

Eggs · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2005, 01:02:06 PM »

I'm no expert ... so you want to confirm with someone else...
but I would name these chords as:

G/FABbD BbM7add6
C/EABbD C9add6
F/EbGAC F9
F#/EbF#AC Cdim6

HTH,
God bless,
Eggs

P.S. I usually close the chord as much as possible, and then start with the bass note, and go from there when I name chords, but that's just me.

jonesl78 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2005, 01:44:47 PM »

Gm9
C13
F11
Gbdim7

newgreaterlover · « **Reply #3 on:** May 02, 2005, 11:33:50 AM »

thanks greatly appreciated

sacred-composer · « **Reply #4 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:59:31 PM »

Hey ya

Jones I would have to disagree on the third chord

F/EbGAC F9 is what Eggs had and I agree on that because you don't have the natural B in the chord that would have made it an 11th.

But I agree with the other 3 chords.

Great work I love to see fellow musicians discussing music theory.
Now I got much advance theory questions if anyone is upto the chaellenge.... :?:

ChrisWilliams · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2005, 09:29:25 AM »

Quote from: sacred-composer

Hey ya

Jones I would have to disagree on the third chord

F/EbGAC F9 is what Eggs had and I agree on that because you don't have the natural B in the chord that would have made it an 11th.

But I agree with the other 3 chords.

Great work I love to see fellow musicians discussing music theory.
Now I got much advance theory questions if anyone is upto the chaellenge.... :?:

It's been a little while since I was doing advance music theory, but I'm happy to help where I can. I'm sure others are up to it as well.

csedwards2 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2005, 11:02:45 AM »

Sacred-composer wrote

Quote

Hey ya

Jones I would have to disagree on the third chord

F/EbGAC F9 is what Eggs had and I agree on that because you don't have the natural B in the chord that would have made it an 11th.

Bb would be needed for a F11, not B natural.

Otherwise the chords are

Gm9
C13
F9
F#dim7 (theres no Gbdim in the key of F)

call it what it is (sorry, I love theory and chord analysis)

And Sacred, bring on that adv theory. Im up for it

Charles

Eggs · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2005, 02:12:00 PM »

Who said anything about the key of F? :?:

csedwards2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2005, 10:11:07 PM »

ha ha

its a ii V I in F

Eggs · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2005, 08:47:20 AM »

Depends on the context!
It's also a 5-1-4 in the key of C major ....
Or even better, a 6-2-5 in the key of Bb major

The original post didn't say anything about the key of F!

God bless,
Eggs

csedwards2 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2005, 10:32:09 PM »

the original post said nothing about F

But if you read it in context, its F, not C, not Bb (although I like where you going with that)

even if it was in C, theres no Gmin in C (none whatsoever)

even if it was in Bb, theres no C13 (that would be a secondary dominant or whats commonly called V/V {5 of 5} which means F (if it were Bb)

so you're kinda right on that, but its still F, even if for a few measures, because thats all we got

like I said, bring on the adv theory

Eggs · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2005, 09:04:06 AM »

Yes, I'll go along wit dat. I still don't know if I'm completely sold on F tho!

God bless,
Eggs

sacred-composer · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2005, 04:34:48 PM »

Now csedwards2 I would have to disagree with you about the Bb in a F11.
A F11 chord notes are: F A C Eb G B(natural)
In a major 11th chord the 11th note is sharp
Now if the chord was Fmin11 then you would use Bb.
Fmin11: F Ab C Eb G Bb
I love theory it gets the cebral muscle toned! :lol:

csedwards2 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2005, 09:48:26 PM »

The symbol F11 refers to a F dominant chord with the 11th degree included
or F7(11)=F11(for short)

The fourth note of a F major scale is Bb, not B natural. Always has been, always will.

If you want to have a B natural you notate like this F7(#11)

But if you want Bb you write F7(11) or F11 (for short)

when a chord symbol says major or minor, its referring to the 3rd note or sometimes the 7th, not anything else.

FMaj11 = F A C E Bb (maj refers to 3rd and 7th)
Fmin11 = F Ab C Eb Bb (min refers to 3rd)
F11 = F A C Eb Bb (means dominant w/ 11)

And usually, not always, when you have an 11th chord, you drop the 3 because there will be added disonance. The easiest way to voice an 11th chord is to play a triad one wholestep lower than the bass. ie....

F/Eb G Bb

it sounds more full if you add the 5th degree, making the triad a minor7 chord starting on the 5th degree. ie.......

F/C Eb G Bb

When you're describing the quality of that 11th degree (or 9th or 13th for that matter) you use (sharps)#'s or (flats) b's. Then they'll know how to treat that note.

So your two options for 11th chords are; 11 or a (sharp)#11

*******Quiz, why cant you have a (flat)b11*******
:?:

sacred-composer · « **Reply #14 on:** June 26, 2005, 04:50:23 PM »

We can go back and forth about the 11th but I will say that for clarity putting the #11 would be best.
However speaking from both a theoretical and sound quality I think of a 11 chord which is major to have a #11th and a minor to have a natural 11th.
But that was good explanation for those new to theory about the differences in the chords and their relationship.

jpat · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2005, 04:26:54 PM »

*******Quiz, why cant you have a (flat)b11*****

Answer: If you flat the 11th note, it automatically becomes the 10th note. :wink:

csedwards2 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 11, 2005, 11:25:58 AM »

Yes sir, Ill give you credit for that. But usually, you just call it 3

lindateaches · « **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2005, 10:59:50 PM »

G/FABbD Gm7 9

C/EABbD C7 9

F/EbGAC F7 9

F#/EbF#AC F# dim

God Bless your efforts.

tondee · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2005, 10:10:37 AM »

Quote from: sacred-composer

Now csedwards2 I would have to disagree with you about the Bb in a F11.
A F11 chord notes are: F A C Eb G B(natural)
In a major 11th chord the 11th note is sharp
Now if the chord was Fmin11 then you would use Bb.
Fmin11: F Ab C Eb G Bb
I love theory it gets the cebral muscle toned! :lol:

Sacred (In a major 11th chord the 11th note is sharp), which major chord are you referring to, I, IV, or V? I'm just trying to follow and learn.

Tony

ddw4e · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2005, 10:43:32 AM »

I definitely agree with Sacred, Eggs and lindateaches on this one....I like this kind of theory...BRING IT ON!! :lol:

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