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Nakia518

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« on: June 13, 2005, 08:51:11 AM »
I wanted to get you guys opinion on something...

Scenario: My pastor usually uses a cordless mic. He doesn’t use it during morning service because the church next door to us uses a cordless as well and the signals get crossed. Now my pastor’s armor bearer prayed and after the prayer my pastor gets up and he doesn’t have his mic. His armor bearer after praying sat down and didn’t even try to get up to do anything. I got up and handed him the mic with the cord because the cordless mic was still in the drawer. I went to get the cordless; I hooked it up and handed it to him. Now the reason I did this was because my pastor had sent the deacon out to get him something to drink (We only have one ordained deacon for now, and we have 2 in training who were also sitting down) I got called out because of what I had done.

Was I wrong?

My church is not that big yet. We have about 150 members. There are certain jobs delegated to people for them to do. My question is, if the person or persons whom are delegated to do their job is not doing there job is it ok for someone else to step in and pick up the slack. The end result is the job was still done.
Or, should they just leave it alone, the job doesn’t get done and let everyone get reprimanded because of it.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 09:13:16 AM »
I remember reading somewhere that if it isn't your job, then you shouldn't do it. You called you out? If it was the Pastor, then submit to his authority, as God leads you.

If it was someone else, then ask the Pastor. This should clear up any confusion.


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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 09:18:57 AM »
No one on this board can tell you if you were right or wrong. That's a point that you need to take to your Pastor.

Considering we are not a part of your church and do not have knowledge of how the Pastor leads that particular church, this is not something that we should give our OPINIONS too. The word tells us to submit to those in authority, so seek out the one who has authority over your congregation....the Pastor.

Also, if any one offended you in that situation, you need to go to that person, in love and humility.

Praying you'll get an answer.

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 09:50:08 AM »
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No one on this board can tell you if you were right or wrong. That's a point that you need to take to your Pastor.

Considering we are not a part of your church and do not have knowledge of how the Pastor leads that particular church, this is not something that we should give our OPINIONS too. The word tells us to submit to those in authority, so seek out the one who has authority over your congregation....the Pastor.

Also, if any one offended you in that situation, you need to go to that person, in love and humility.

Praying you'll get an answer.


I apologize if I said too much.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2005, 09:51:34 AM »
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I apologize if I said too much.


You were on point. I think we were in agreement...Seek out the Pastor.

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2005, 10:04:45 AM »
Wasn't there so I can't say but I will say that people need to exercise grace more often in dealing with other people.
It will better reflect to others the God we serve and the grace that He's shown us.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2005, 10:42:52 AM »
I don't really know what an "armor bearer" is...was it their job??  Or are you saying it was the deacon's job??  Well...I don't know everything about your church and how things are supposed to flow and the rules and all that you guys have in place.  I think it's good to ask your pastor about it to know for sure what's up.

But - from what you say - I don't really understand why it was a problem.  I tend to agree with you - if a job needs to get done and no one's around to do it and there's urgency involved, as you've expressed, hey - somebody's gotta do it, right?  Or what's the alternative, your pastor doesn't have his/her mic... maybe they would have preferred you to go get the deacon to get the mic...lol, who knows.

And..who called you out?  If it wasn't the pastor, I'm guessing the deacon.  Maybe they were mad that you were tryin' to do their job...well, you know how that goes.  I used to work with someone who never did their job...everytime you asked them to do their job, they'd ultimately say no...but when you do their job for them because someone has to do it, they get mad at that person...because they are starting to see themselves as "dispensable."  You know..and then people start to think, "What do we have him/her for...they don't do their job anyway and we're all capable of doing what they do..".....Well that job wasn't in the church.  But workplaces have rules just like each individual church does.  And people have feelings and pride just like they do in the workplace....so if it wasn't the pastor who called you out, the person who did was probably the one who got hurt because everyone saw you doing what they were supposed to do.

I say all that to say - don't look at it so much as you did something sooo terribly wrong that you should be reprimanded for it, but more like....you broke a little rule (or I dunno really, maybe it's a big rule in your church) and also someone's feelings/pride was caught up in the process so they felt they had to call you out.

Anyway....I'm just talking off the top of my head, just some things you might consider.  Here's a {{{HUG}}} and don't dwell on it too much.  Talk with your pastor as they say and try to see objectively into what happened.

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2005, 10:44:41 AM »
And let me also say, in the grand scheme of things...this is a little thing.  But also a little test maybe...choose to pass it with flying colors by allowing this instance to be a character builder for you.

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2005, 11:24:22 AM »
Hmm, don't hate. But, I'm really going to say forget about it. For some people rules are all that they have. I often wonder what we think will happen when Christ comes back. Will he be interested in all the nice, neat little rules that we've created that in my opinion get us preoccupied and away from thinking about the gospel.

Now, don't get me wrong. Our services need to be decent and in order. But, I think we sometimes lose focus on what's really important. This could be an opportunity for growth for you. I would pray about it. Ask God to direct your path and give you a better understanding of what He requires of you.

I guarantee, it won't involve microphone politics.

Submit to people that are in authority positions over you. But, also realize that often, just because some one is in a position of authority doesn't mean that their lives are spiritually sound. Sad, but true. And, it wasn't the Church that Paul had in mind.

But, in some churches (and, I'm not saying yours is one) but in some churches, it doesn't take much more than a warm male body to be a deacon. In others, there has to be evidence of spiritual growth and they're really strict about the man that wears that hat.

Sometimes at a church, a pastor is less of a leader and more of someone that the church hired to do a job and if he steps out of his place, his church invites him to step outside of the church and look for another job. Again, it shouldn't be like this, but sometimes it is.

I think it's probably most helpful for you to pray and ask God what His lesson is for you in this situation. What would He like you to learn from this experience?

I'm not certain what you meant by calling you out. And, since I wasn't there I can't judge that interaction. It certainly sounds like a negative encounter. If that's the case, I think I would simply back up. Sometimes we learn more by being quiet. This person may have been having a bad day and may not remember the experience the way that you do later. Or could be wishing he/she had not made a big deal of it.

In that case, what would be solved by making something bigger out of it, when you could forget it and push forward with a lesson learned, "quietly".

Otherwise, tempers could flare, and what was spoken hastily with little thought on his part, might later only become worse because we're defensive creatures by nature. And, he'll feel obligated for the world to see "their perspective".

If the person feels totally justified in their position, again, what is gained by a confrontation? Typically, we can't change people's minds, but rather God has to change the heart.

Pray, pray, pray... not only for yourself, but for everyone involved.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2005, 11:42:28 AM »
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For some people rules are all that they have. I often wonder what we think will happen when Christ comes back. Will he be interested in all the nice, neat little rules that we've created that in my opinion get us preoccupied and away from thinking about the gospel.

Now, don't get me wrong. Our services need to be decent and in order. But, I think we sometimes lose focus on what's really important. This could be an opportunity for growth for you. I would pray about it. Ask God to direct your path and give you a better understanding of what He requires of you.

I guarantee, it won't involve microphone politics.



Amen to the microphone politics!!!...:lol:  *vwebster* I'm feelin' you, we must be vibin' on the same wavelength

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2005, 11:46:40 AM »
I thank you all for your comments they have really helped me.
To answer you question, it wasn't the pastor it was someone in the church. It was said the I stepped out of line because it was the deacons job. But anyway I will take this up with the pastor.

However this isn't the only instance where this has happened. This just happened yesterday which is why I asked the question.

I don't see it being a problem because either way the job got done. Isn't that the point?

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2005, 12:09:26 PM »
Good Suggestions All;

As a member and minister of a couple of churches in Wash, DC, I have learned that it's that decency & order thing. As long as  that is done, the service is successful in my opinion.

Secondly, as has been stated, the leader of the local church should be the ultimate arbiter, that's usually the pastor.

Absent that, the old 'what would Jesus do?' senario should work just fine.
In the final analysis, it is Him that we are to serve, not any man.

Prayers for all & and much blessings to all as well.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2005, 11:40:37 AM »
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Sometimes we learn more by being quiet.


Quote from: vwebster
...push forward with a lesson learned, "quietly".



Amen and Amen

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2005, 12:28:40 PM »
Did the pastor get the microphone so the people could get ministry?

Then what difference does it make who gave it to him?

Please understand where I am coming from. If a person had a problem with you getting a microphone, then either one of two things is happening.

One, the problem has nothing to do with you handing a microphone to your pastor. The issue is much deeper. That is not to say that you should find out what it is, but I doubt seriously if anyone is upset over you handing your pastor a microphone.

Two, someone wants to fight over something. This why you should just drop it. If they want to hand the pastor the microphone from here on out until the cows come home, let them do it.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 01:32:13 PM »
just a thought,


he might be a pastor that is not comfortable having a female other than his wife hand him anything

just a thought

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2005, 01:36:54 PM »
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just a thought,


he might be a pastor that is not comfortable having a female other than his wife hand him anything

just a thought


I haven't met the brother yet that will refuse a plate of food from a sister,... so I'm going to be optimistically doubtful on that one.

Now, I'm sure those exist, (after all, you can't be too careful), but who knows? :?

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2005, 01:50:55 PM »
vweb,

yeah there are some who have to be very guarded, about the intentions of the females that try to be too helpful (not saying you were Nakia, you were just getting the job done).

Just read the story of Jezebel and all the comotion she caused with the prophets (again, not talking about  anyone here), but its something you have to be cautious of when in that position. A pastor could loose his/her whole ministry because of too much attention from the opposite sex.

So if that is the case (which like I said is only a thought), respect that a male pastor COULD only want assitance from his fellow brothers, who wont tempt his flesh, or kill him like Jezebel would've.

just thinking out loud :?:

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2005, 09:44:39 PM »
Man it got quiet in here

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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2005, 09:50:35 PM »
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Man it got quiet in here


Guess you had the last word!  :lol:  :lol:  Good thought, too!
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