Should a person who sins, sing in the choir?

[MissMusic04]

If a person goes to the club, fornicates, curse or is an adulterer should they still sing in the choir? Let me know.

[gaman]

HEY...

In responding to your statement..The things you named are all sins of course.. but we must be careful not to judge people by their actions...
However I understand we are all human and none of us are perfect.. but for Ministry my personal belief is that we should have a strong strong desire to lead people into whatever ministry it may be and not just serve on that particuliar ministry team.  If the desire is that strong for God and Ministry ..they should not want to do those things....The bottom line even though we all sins...THE LINE MUST Be DRAWN SOMEWHERE...Anyone who practice sins constantly needs to be at the altar b/c something is not right...However 2 God be the Glory.....

[BBoy]

It is difficult to level blanket decisions like this without knowing the exact situation.

But generally speaking I do not belevie a person should be in a position of ministry like the choir or praise team unless they are at least attempting to be an example of holiness.

But again, restriction of ministry duties is a matter to discuss with the pastor of the church. Sometimes the use of a gift is what a person needs to come out of bondage. But that is for a pastor to prayerfully decide.

(Y'all just knew I was going there, didn't you?  :lol: )

Be Blessed  

[JoyCH]

I agree, if you are not saved (a sinner) you should not be in front ministering before the congregation.  

Joy

[biblethumpa]

BBoy: (Y'all just knew I was going there, didn't you?  )

Whew, I was scared to read that response!!! You really tricked us BBoy! But again, I think that this will be our first 9 pager in this forum!!!

Let the posting begin!!![/quote]

[B3Wannabe]

I'm with BBoy.

....I doubt this will get to 9 pages. I can see maybe three...maybe.

[Pajarita]

If I may speak, (this hit home).

From what I understood, saved or not, we ALL still fall short of the glory of God.  I've never heard anyone who has been saved say that they have not sinned since they were saved.  I am sure that some of you have been guilty of cursing someone under your breath because they cut you off (on your way to church).  Now, if this woman is going around telling her business to people in the congregation like it's something to brag about, then by all means, she doesn't need to be around the youngsters.  Bad influence.

I know for a fact, and am not afraid to admit that I've sinned (cursed, gossiped, and yes, lusted after somone).  The thing is, I know that I did these things, and I asked for the Lord's forgiveness for my weakness.  I pray each day that I may dodge all my temptations so that He will be pleased.  I was saved under the notion that it did not make me perfect, but that I was to make a point to try harder NOT to continue to sin, and if I fell short, to repent, and He would forgive me.  If this is not true, and I am not forgiven, and I'm STILL going to Hell, please let me know.  I'd hate to think all these years my prayers have fallen on deaf ears because I got angry with someone (and cursed).  Am I wrong, Saints?

[princeoftheb3]

These eople won't tell you what their doing and they can tell you they're saved and who are you to say they aren't, but if it is obvious then nowe can't have sinners being role models to new saints.

[princeoftheb3]

These eople won't tell you what their doing and they can tell you they're saved and who are you to say they aren't, but if it is obvious then nowe can't have sinners being role models to new saints.

[BBoy]

@ pajarita: Yes, we all do fall short from time to time. Sometimes we fall short and we don't even know that we are falling short until the Holy Ghost convicts us of something that we are doing that GOD isn't pleased with, or something that we should be doing that we aren't. So yes, GOD hears prayers and the Bible instructs us to go without hestitation (go boldly) to GOD's Throne of Grace to receive help when we need.

As posted above, it is difficult to level a blanket decision without knowing the exact situation that the provoked the question.

The issue here is: Is the person living in blatant sin, not even attempting to live a righteous life? Have they accepted Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior? If they have not accepted Jesus as Savior and they are just living in sin . . . then no, they shouldn't be up in public ministry.

But if they are saved and living right, then they should be able to use their gifts unless under pastoral leadership there is a reason why they need to sit down for a while.

Be Blessed

[JoyCH]

Whats in the dark - always come to the light.


Joy

[TreydayTreyday]

yes everyone that sins should sing in the choir. You can sing about your sins. Lol Ha. but true. just think about it and certain songs. So do you...

[T_Keys]

At my church if anyone involved in ministry (at all levels) commits a "public" sin they are required to leave ministry for 6 months and have meetings with the pastor before they are reinstated. This has happened to two musicians and several church members, all of them for fornicating.

[siloam]

Reading this thread I just wondered if there would be anyone in any choir if they were banned for 6 months for a public sin.

The choir I am just about to set up on saturday is primarily aimed at restoring and building the people in the choir, rather than (at this moment) minstering to others. So I am embacing all those who want to join sinners included.

To answer the very first question in the thread, would surely depend on what your aims and goals of your choir is. Ultimatley the purpose of my chor at the moment is to draw people into Gods presence where he can minister and change their lives. Surely that's ok isn't it?

[sjonathan02]

The issue here is: Is the person living in blatant sin, not even attempting to live a righteous life? Have they accepted Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior? If they have not accepted Jesus as Savior and they are just living in sin . . . then no, they shouldn't be up in public ministry.
Be Blessed

This is all that needs to be said about this topic, right hea!!

Read, reread, then read again.

Be Blessed,
Jonathan

[siloam]

I feel God called me to get a choir together to minister to those who are joining it, rather than publicly minister to others.

I guess the choir I am looking to form doesn't fit with the Stereotype choir here. It will be some time before my new choir ill be ready for public ministry, that is if we even go dow that road.

I don't see my new choir as a Show piece, but rather a place where people both churched and, dare I say, unchurched can come and learn about Jesus and what he had done for us through singing the Gospel message. I feel very strongly, as does my pastor, that this whole thing is aimed at reaching those who wouldn't ordinarily even come to church. I am being made to feel, by this site, that many of those here seem to have this elitist view that only those who can live up to "the mark" can be a part of a Gospel Choir community.

I am not seeking anyones approval, but Gods, in what I feel he is calling me to do. While I understand that for most, if not all, on this site, public performance (or ministry if you want to call it that), seems to be a greater concern than the love and care we need to be showing to the weaker members among us. Surely the nuturing and encouraging of the weaker members of the choir has to be one of the highest priorities?

Having been rejected as a child, I can not and will not reject anyone, who wants to be a member of my new choir even if they can't sing! I pray tha God will give me His power, His stength and His compassion for the task He has called me to.

It may just be that this site just "don't get it" and think that I am a nutter. All I can say is that I know what God has called me to do, others in leadership around me have been 100% behind me, the media have been 100% supportive and I believe 100% that God was and is behind all that his happening in this very exciting time here.

For those have have offered support over the last weeks, I thank you. For those who have tried to crush my vision, I will pray that you will never be in a position where you are the rejected one. For in the family of God isolation is extremely painful.

[rickshaun]

I feel that yes, we all fall short because no sin is greater that the other.
On the other hand, being saved is a lifestyle not an event. She needs to be out of the choir until she can better herself because her ministry goes to none affect. Yes we all say that about we are all humans but when we slip curse words or gossipping or lie, we are still in the process of strivng for holiness. It is obvios that this woman is not striving because it seems to be a continuos thing with sin in her case. The music ministry is one of the most important ministries in church, if all the people involved arent STRIVING for holiness then there is no music ministry, its just a department in the church.

[uriahsmusic]

FIRST WE SHOULD THIN MERCY AND NOT JUDGEMENT!  
I CAN SEE MOST OF THE STUFF MENTIONED BUT I WONDER HOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THE FORNICATION!

WHEN I WAS FIRST SAVED I WAS ASKED TO PLAY GUITAR FOR THE CHOIR.  WE WENT OUT FOR ICECREAM AFTER PRACTICE AND ONE OF THE GUYS SAYS.."HEY URIAH..DID YOU KNOW YOU CURSE A LOT?'

I HAD NO IDEA THAT I WAS STILL DOING THAT...BUT I WAS...I STOPPED RIGHT AWAY...I FELT SO BAD...BUT THEY WERE MY FAMILY IS CHRIST AND BROUGHT IT TO ME IN LOVE AND PATIENCE.

SURELY IF I HAD JUST SAID ..SO WHAT!@#$%%^...I WOULD HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT...

YOU CAN NOT HAVE THE FOLKS THAT ARE SEEN AS AN EXAMPLE NOT TAKING THE POSITION SERIOUSLY....

THE LEADER SHOULD BRING TO THAT PERSONS ATTENTION THE GRAVITY OF THE POSITION IN THAT THEY MUST BE SEEN A SOMEONE WHO DOES ALL THEY CAN TO AVOID SIN.  IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE AS CHRISTIANS AVOID SIN.  
OUR GOAL SHOULD BE NOT TO SIN...HARD AS THAT MAY BE....IF WE ARE EMBRASING SIN WE CAN NOT LEAD!

THIS IS HARD TO SAY BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT NEEDS TO SAY IT MAY BE EMBRASING SIN ALSO...MAYBE IN SOME OTHER WAY!

STILL IT MUST BE SAID AND IT MUST BE DEALT WITH.

[BBoy]

Amen to what Bro Uriah has posted. There is a difference between someone who really has accepted Jesus as their LORD and Savior and is being renewed in their minds . . .

and someone who is living in blatant sin and not wanting to do better, or someone who isn't saved at all and just likes to sing.

No matter how gifted a person may be, they have to be an example to others.

Now read what the Apostle Paul had to teach the Corinthian church about people who were sinning . . . boy, that church was something else! But they were coming out of some bad sins and they were being purified, so Paul worked with them.

This is a matter for pastors to prayerfully deal with, keeping their music ministers as informed as they can so the music minister and the pastor are working together.

Be Blessed, everyone  :lol:

[T-Block]

I remember when I first got saved and I said a curse word the very next day at work.  Cursing was so natural to me that I said w/out thinking.  From then on, I became very aware of how I talked and what words I was saying.  Now, cursing isn't a part of me at all.

Now, if I was banned from singing in the chior cuz somebody heard me curse after I claimed to be saved, i wouldn't like that cuz like other people say, we all fall short sometimes.  Plus, i was just a baby in Christ and i needed to learn how to overcome that.

On the other hand, if I continued to curse like ain't nothing wrong with it, then by all means go ahead and kick me out cuz i don't want to influence nobody into thinking you can serve God and the Devil, cuz u can't.