Topic: Should a person who sins, sing in the choir? (Read 18492 times)

broraj · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2005, 02:15:32 PM »

I am the choir director at my church and since we're a small church all ages sing together most of the time. Recently, my pastor informed us that he didn't want anyone over the age of twelve singing if they weren't saved (Holy Ghost filled). A lot of people were upset and even I didn't understand fully. But I remembered that I prayed to God several times for a saved choir, because first, I wanted everyone saved, and secondly because many of the unsaved were just too much of a problem (mad about being there because momma made them sing, the songs not being hip enough, upset about not singing the lead, etc.). I wasn't specific with God in my prayers and He did what I asked just not the way I expected. And the funny thing is that I never said anything to my pastor about it. But now with only saved members (minus a few other younger ones), the choir has been so anointed, because now we have people there who really want to sing for God. I'm enjoying it!

T-Block · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2005, 04:43:33 PM »

We had a big problem with kids being there cuz they parents made them. So what I did was I said whoever don't want to be here, just leave. And some people did leave and I talked to the kids' parents myself and explained the situation. Now we got people up there who want to sing, they are not all saved, but they want to sing for God. I think you can use anyone who wants to do a work for God, no matter how bad they lifestyle is because it is not u who does the changing, it's God. You just don't know
what can happen.

chicoverrinzo · « **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2005, 11:23:45 AM »

JUDGE NOT THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED FOR WITH WHAT MEASURE YE JUDGE, YE SHALL BE JUDGED: AND WITH WHAT MEASURE YE METE, IT SHALL BE MEASURED TO YOU AGAIN. AND WHY BEHOLDEST THOU THE MOTE THAT IS IN THY BROTHER'S EYE, BUT CONSIDEREST NOT THE BEAM THAT IS THINE OWN EYE?

LET EVERYTHING THAT HATH BREATH PRAISE YE THE LORD.

yes singing is a ministry, but it is also a form of praise. Instead of worrying about their sin, pray for them. the same God that delivered you is able and willing to deliver them. Peter cut a man's ear off, would you say that that was righteous. No. We all have a tendency to see the sin in others, but instead of looking at others sin we should take an introspective look at ourselves and see our own. We all sin and come short of God's glory. Although someone may commit adultery, maybe God has delivered them from hatred. We die daily, and if he delivered them from one thing, I know the God I serve will deliver them for another. All we can do is pray for them, and work out our own soul's salvation.

God Bless.

chicoverrinzo · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2005, 11:24:35 AM »

JUDGE NOT THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED FOR WITH WHAT MEASURE YE JUDGE, YE SHALL BE JUDGED: AND WITH WHAT MEASURE YE METE, IT SHALL BE MEASURED TO YOU AGAIN. AND WHY BEHOLDEST THOU THE MOTE THAT IS IN THY BROTHER'S EYE, BUT CONSIDEREST NOT THE BEAM THAT IS THINE OWN EYE?

LET EVERYTHING THAT HATH BREATH PRAISE YE THE LORD.

yes singing is a ministry, but it is also a form of praise. Instead of worrying about their sin, pray for them. the same God that delivered you is able and willing to deliver them. Peter cut a man's ear off, would you say that that was righteous. No. We all have a tendency to see the sin in others, but instead of looking at others sin we should take an introspective look at ourselves and see our own. We all sin and come short of God's glory. Although someone may commit adultery, maybe God has delivered them from hatred. We die daily, and if he delivered them from one thing, I know the God I serve will deliver them from another. All we can do is pray for them, and work out our own soul's salvation.

God Bless.

Steelpulz · « **Reply #24 on:** December 25, 2005, 06:14:44 PM »

..deliverance from our flesh and renewing our minds can be a life-long project. We should be careful about removing people from ministries because of "public sin". As an example, I never understood why the young lady who got pregnant was vilified and talked about, but the young man who impregnated here escaped public rudicule. The other yong ladies who got pregnant but had abortions also escaped public ridicule and denouncements.

We all sin, though we are not sinners and are under the blood. No sin is worse than another in God's eyes. If he didn't use people who committed sin, how would He get anything done. Noah was a drinkard (at least one) Abraham was a liar and a coward, David was a murdererm adulterer and a coward, Moses was a murderer, Paul was a blasphemer and murderer, Peter betrayed Christ and was a coward....I could go on and on. Bottom line, if your choir member's acts are not blatant, pray for her and don't cast the first stone.

Muziqmann · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2006, 11:43:13 AM »

A choir without people who sin would have no members.

churchyreal · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »

First of all I believe that it needs to be reminded that all have sinned and came short of the glory of God. So nobody should has the attitude to not allow people who sin not to join the choir.

I do believe that if you are not saved you shouldn't be in the choir because you are not truly representing Jesus Christ. As Christians, we represent Jesus Christ and his values. Now for those who sin and are in Christ, if they have a true heart of repentance they should want to do better. But if they just keep sinning like ok "Lord forgive me" and then do it again, they shouldn't be in the choir.

Well, that's my 2 cents.

MizzBlackSheep · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2006, 03:56:42 PM »

THE PROBLEM WITH THE RELIGIOUS MINDSET IS THAT IT BLINDS YOU TO THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH BEING THAT THERE ARE MANY SAVED PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL UNDELIVERED IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THEIR LIVES. RELIGION MAKES ONE FEEL SUPERIOR TO OTHERS, AND BASES SALVATION UPON WHAT YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO. SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT BASES SALVATION SOLELY ON WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND DONE FOR YOU THROUGH THE CHRIST. NO ONE WHO IS RELIGIOUS IS DELIVERED, BECAUSE RELIGION IS ANOTHER FORM OF BONDAGE. A BUNCH OF RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT PLACE BURDENS UPON PEOPLE, AND MAKES THEM FEEL HELLISH BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAPPED IN A FLESHLY BODY WHICH IS FULL OF THE DESIRE TO SIN.

TO REMOVE SOMEONE OUT OF PARTICIPATION IN A CHOIR BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDELIVERED, IS AN ACT OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS. THAT MAY BE THE ONLY THING HOLDING THAT PERSON TOGETHER, KNOWING THAT THEY ARE BEING ACCEPTED UNCONDITIONALLY BY PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THE BODY OF CHRIST. MANY OF THE DISCIPLES WHO FOLLOWED JESUS WERE UNDELIVERED FROM CERTAIN BONDAGES IN THEIR LIFE, THAT'S WHY JESUS TOLD PETER THAT HE WOULD BE CONVERTED. NOT SMOKING, NOT DRINKING, NOT CLUBBING, NOT CURSING ARE NOT EVIDENCE THAT YOU BELONG TO GOD. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD THAT DON'T DO THOSE THINGS AS WELL. WHAT MAKES IT EVIDENT THAT YOU BELONG TO GOD IS THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE THAT WE HAVE FOR ONE ANOTHER. ACCEPTING EACH OTHER FOR WHO WE ARE, NOT FAKING OR FRONTING, JUST BECAUSE YOU COME TO A LOCAL BUILDING ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. THOSE WHO WORSHIP GOD MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH, SPIRIT MEANING NO RELIGIOUSLY, AND TRUTH, MEANING REAL ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND ABOUT WHO HE IS. YOU CAN'T WORSHIP GOD IN RELIGION AND LIE, JUST SPIRIT AND TRUTH. EVERYONE WHO STANDS IN THE CHOIR, WHO STANDS IN THE PULPIT, WHO USHERS ON THE USHERBOARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE ALL HUMAN. TITLES DON'T MATTER, LEADERSHIP WITHIN AN ORGANIZATION DOESN'T MATTER. ONLY WHAT YOU DO FOR CHRIST WILL MATTER.

JUDGING PEOPLE AND REJECTING THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LIVING THE WAY YOU FEEL THEY SHOULD LIVE IS STRATEGY DESIGNED BY THE ENEMY TO PUSH PEOPLE AWAY FROM GOD AND TO MAKE THEM BITTER ABOUT CHURCH. GOD IS NOT IN YOUR REJECTION OR JUDGEMENTALISM. WE ARE NOT UNDER BONDAGE ANYMORE, SO OUR ONLY OBLIGATION IS TO LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY. ONLY THOSE WHO LOVE WILL GAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE KINGDOM. CHURCH IS NOT THE DOOR TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. JESUS IS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE OF TREATING PEOPLE AS IF CHRIST'S BLOOD WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO COVER YOUR SINS BUT NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO COVER THEIRS. THAT MAY BE HER ONLY CONNECTION TO GOD RIGHT NOW. AND ALLOWING HER TO SING WILL BRING "THE HELL " OUT OF HER. RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT EARNED IT IS A GIFT. BE CAREFUL BECAUSE EVEN YOU HAVE ISSUES, WE ALL DO. THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE IS KNOWING THAT THE BLOOD HAS TOTALLY REMOVED EVERY PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE SIN FROM OUR RECORDS. SO WITH THAT, PRAY FOR HER, DON'T PUSH HER AWAY AND INTO THE HANDS OF THE ENEMY TOTALLY.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK MORE YOU CAN REACH ME AT MIZZBLACKSHEEP@YAHOO.COM

GOD BLESS.

silky · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2006, 07:14:38 PM »

well, here are my thoughts: first, i would have to agree with those of you who say that this is a situational topic. why? because i can remember growing up singing the choir. everyone was not saved but a lot of them would not have been in church if it were not for the choir. i'm not saying that the choir should be your reason for going to church, but it was kind of like the fishermen's hook in a way. a lot of those choir members probably would not be saved if it were not for the choir. and the Bible does not say that you have to be saved to praise God.

on the other, praise and worship is another thing. any praise and worship leader is a church leader. i believe that they should be saved. and you can only worship God in spirit and in truth.

Dooley · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2006, 06:01:55 PM »

If people cant sin and sing in the choir, or do anything at the church, Everybody will be sittin down. It will be a 1 person choir every sunday if that...For All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God....

roz860 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2006, 08:48:34 PM »

All i can say is Let go and let God. We have all seen it happen in our churches. Just like tha last post. If it is public then let GOD and the PASTOR Handle it. Not the Deacon, the Mother, the Trustees, Nobody but God and the PASTOR.

allonesound · « **Reply #31 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:40:49 PM »

Quote from: roz860 on February 21, 2006, 08:48:34 PM

All i can say is Let go and let God. We have all seen it happen in our churches. Just like tha last post. If it is public then let GOD and the PASTOR Handle it. Not the Deacon, the Mother, the Trustees, Nobody but God and the PASTOR.

I agree with you on that one. The Pastor has all the say...
I know in our church the women have to wear skirts. I think it is right, women shouldnt have pants on in the choir, preaching ect. those are my beleifs and i know some will dissagree with that but i think its disrespectful.

pricelessmax · « **Reply #32 on:** February 28, 2006, 08:19:34 AM »

I say they should make up their mind who they are going to serve. Serve god or serve the devil. We all know you can't serve to gods.

Holy Roller · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2006, 10:41:22 AM »

I'm new here - God bless.

I grew up in a very strict holiness environment and for the most part i think the church in general has become too lax. however, back in the day, They was on us for every little thing. It seems we can't find a balance.

scripture tells us that the wheat and tares will grow together BUUUUUT! GOD would seperate them! If we start putting people out for sin we are going to be up there singing by ourselves. we forget that lying and backbiting are sins and we will put up with that for years and years but let it be something we deem as a greater sin.

I am not condoning sin at all. especially when it's in leadership, they have got to set an example. when it comes to the lay members, they need to be confronted but often I have found that people are not truthful. at this point the blood is off of our hands as leaders and the lord will weed them out if they do not come to a place of repentance.

Lord Bless !

soldieranointed · « **Reply #34 on:** February 28, 2006, 11:21:47 AM »

Quote from: Holy Roller on February 28, 2006, 10:41:22 AM

I'm new here - God bless.

I grew up in a very strict holiness environment and for the most part i think the church in general has become too lax. however, back in the day, They was on us for every little thing. It seems we can't find a balance.

scripture tells us that the wheat and tares will grow together BUUUUUT! GOD would seperate them! If we start putting people out for sin we are going to be up there singing by ourselves. we forget that lying and backbiting are sins and we will put up with that for years and years but let it be something we deem as a greater sin.

I am not condoning sin at all. especially when it's in leadership, they have got to set an example. when it comes to the lay members, they need to be confronted but often I have found that people are not truthful. at this point the blood is off of our hands as leaders and the lord will weed them out if they do not come to a place of repentance.

Lord Bless !

I definitely agree. I think it important to realize that visitors coming in off the streets will notice if they went to the club last night and saw Billy Jane drunk, half naked with a gun about to blow someone brains out, and then lo and behold Billy Jane is leading a solo in the choir Sunday morning. What does that say about leadership, and what does it say about the House of God?

Ofcourse I was using my imagination a lil

, but the point remains. Leadership within the House of God requires a life that can resemble Jesus. I can minister all day long, but when I'm not in front of a crowd, is God still pleased with my actions.

The scripture also says that what you do in secret God will reward you openly. That goes both ways!

vcmack73 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 08, 2006, 08:30:22 PM »

We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Being a christian(living Christlike) is a continual process and we are not expected to be perfect. If this world was full of perfect people, WOULD WE NEED GOD? The bible tells us that trials (sins) etc., WILL come in our lives, but they come to make us strong. No one is without sin. When we think about sin, most of us limit them to Adultery, Fornication, Homosexuality, etc, but we sin in our minds everyday. There should not be a limit or barrier placed on someone PRAISING GOD, no matter what he/she has done. We here on earth should not judge, or label people; but we do. I sing in the choir and I love the gift that God has blessed me with, but I am definitely not perfect or proclaiming to be.

God Bless

nicholerohcc · « **Reply #36 on:** March 09, 2006, 04:33:36 PM »

OK Here I go!! This situtation can best be dealt with using the missions statement and vision of the church. I agree with a lot of the statements that were made using the scripture " ...all have sinned and fall short of the ..." OK, so here's what I have to say:
1) Unforgiveness is just as big a sin in God's eyes as drinking, so what are we saying sin is. Am I saying that we continue sinning and close our eyes to people habittualy commiting sins No, but I am saying can God clean His own fish?
2) What is the purpose of your choir? Is the choir the only form of worship during the church service. Or is the choir used as a training ground for Worship Team Members?
3) What does the Pastor of the church or the Music Pastor say about the situation?

All and all I basically feel that if the Pastor and Music Pastor say I'd rather keep someone that is newly saved plugged in and worshipping God. With a good mentor they can be successful. Now if you are talking about a person that has been saved a while and is like the luke warm church of Laodecia as mentioned in Revelation. Well we all know what the word says "...I will spew you out of my mouth..."
ENough said.

keysoflife06 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 11, 2006, 09:02:26 AM »

I agree with a little bit of everything said by everybody, I think that we should allow people to participate if they show and interest. We as MOM's have been given the responsibility to not only teach music but to make sure that the people that we have been given authority to lead in a sense understand the importance of what they do and how their outside activities affect the impact of the group, team, choir, etc. Then we as leaders must up hold that standard no matter what b/c we have been given stewardship over that aspect of the church. We must always use the word, our opinions will mess it up. We do all sin, and we can't be misled or mislead people to think that God is going to continue to forgive them for the same sin b/c he is NOT (Romans 6, read the whole thing) we should apply this to these type situation b/c if you keep doing the same thing you are going to reap a consequence (Gal. 6:7). The Word will always draw or drive and when you know the truth stand on it no matter who walks away. Never sacrifice anointing for talent, require a strive for perfection until Jesus comes.

God Bless Ya!,
Keysoflife06

HIJK · « **Reply #38 on:** March 11, 2006, 10:44:23 AM »

THE CHURCH IS A HOSPITAL ASK THIS SHOULD A PERSON WHO IS ALWAYS SICK ALWAYS GO TO THE HOSPITAL? WE WILL ALL SIN UNTIL THE DAY WE DIE EVEN THE MOST UPSATNDING WILL. AND THE PERSON WHO SAYS" i WILL NOT IS LYING BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER YOU WILL TOO. NOW PEOPLE SAY THAT BECAUSE A SINGER ENTERTAINS CROWDS AT THE CLUB THAT HE OR SHE IS SINNING DEFINITELY NOT SO, i KNOW THE GUY WHO IS THE MUSICIAN AT THE POTTER'S HOUSE HERE IN TEXAS AND HE ALSO PLAYS WITH A LIVE BAND AROUND THE TOWN, THAT DOES NOT MAKE A SINNER, AS A MUSICIAN YOUR GIFTS WILL MAKE ROOM FOR YOU, AND i PAY MY TITHES FROM IT. JUST LIKE THE SCENARIO WITH THE CASINO, PEOPLE AND CHURCH ALWAYS TALKING DOWN ON THE CASINO, BUT IF A MEMBER HITS THE MILLION JACKPOT THERE, THEN HE OR SHE WILL BE CALLED BLESSED AND WILL NOT BE RAN AWAY FROM THE CHURCH SO i SAY IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE THEN WHY SHOULDNT THE OTHER? AND BESIDES THERE ARE PREACHERS WHO SIN I KNOW A COUPLE OF THEM TOO, I AM A MUSICIAN BEEN DOING IT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS

2KlubKlarity · « **Reply #39 on:** March 13, 2006, 12:44:28 AM »

I'm still kind of on the fence on this one. Technically, everybody sins one way or another. We are all not perfect for God has made us that way. Now, trying to answer this, I had a friend who was kicked out of the choir because she was 16 and pregnant. I can understand to some extent why ( this was a televised church and had many members and did not want to "put" her out there as a billboard that teen pregnancy is the way to go), but when they went about doing this, it was all done unprofessionally and just sort of coldhearted. Instead of trying to help and guide her during this difficult time, they just sort of made her feel more ashamed of herself. In this case, maybe this member is in the process of finding her way and is struggling. It is hard to answer this because everyone is so different. Just pray that they get on the right track. Sorry, I didn't really provide much of an answer, but how can you tell someone they can not use a gift that was provided to them until they clean up their act...that is really hard.

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