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« on: January 30, 2006, 10:40:56 AM »
I don't classify myself as a songwriter, but I've found that this is one of the only ways I can 'express' myself without a whole lot of conflama (conflict, confusion & drama).  Having said that, I ask you all this.  Why is it that local musicians that attend or frequent your church will always offer their help, but get 'busy' when you take them up on that offer?  For instance, I sang a song I wrote a while back at my church entitled 'Lord, Help Me'.  I received nothing but positive feedback from people, even the musician that picked up on the song to better convey the message.  Now, lots of folks know that I write & ask me why don't I try to do something with all these songs that the Lord has given me?  My reply is always 'I can't play and I don't have anyone to play for me.'  That is when folks say 'Well, I can help you, just call me.'  I say ok and do just that.  Yet, when I do, I always get 'Man, my plate is REALLY full.  Sorry.'  Mind you, I've seen them consent to help others work on a cover tune moments afterwards on more than one occassion.  This is very discouraging to me.  I want to just quit writing, but I become so ill that it's unbearable.  What am I doing wrong?

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 10:49:37 AM »
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[/u][/b]I don't classify myself as a songwriter, but I've found that this is one of the only ways I can 'express' myself without a whole lot of conflama (conflict, confusion & drama).  Having said that, I ask you all this.  Why is it that local musicians that attend or frequent your church will always offer their help, but get 'busy' when you take them up on that offer?  For instance, I sang a song I wrote a while back at my church entitled 'Lord, Help Me'.  I received nothing but positive feedback from people, even the musician that picked up on the song to better convey the message.  Now, lots of folks know that I write & ask me why don't I try to do something with all these songs that the Lord has given me?  My reply is always 'I can't play and I don't have anyone to play for me.'  That is when folks say 'Well, I can help you, just call me.'  I say ok and do just that.  Yet, when I do, I always get 'Man, my plate is REALLY full.  Sorry.'  Mind you, I've seen them consent to help others work on a cover tune moments afterwards on more than one occassion.  This is very discouraging to me.  I want to just quit writing, but I become so ill that it's unbearable.  What am I doing wrong?

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The Bible says, "Be ye not weary in well doing." So, in the name above all names, I pray right now, and bind up that spirit of discouragement and disappointment.

You have a gift, my brotha, you must keep working on perfecting your gift. It's what David did while tending to the sheep.

People offering kind words with empty promises may be God's way of telling you that you should start learning how to play the keyboard so that you can accompany yourself much in the same vain as a Smokie Norful (for an example).

I pray that God will sustain you. Remember, He hears your silent tears.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 11:00:57 AM »
Take it from someone who is now stepping out on faith BIG TIME on the original music tip!  Raise you about $500, and the next time you need them to play flash the 5 benjamins (or fan yourself with them) while you are talking.  You will have no problem getting them to participate.  OR, have a soloist who is so reputable and noted that most musicians have been dying to work with (again flash the benjamins when you ask them to sing).....MOST OF ALL, know that it's either the benjamins or a chance to work with someone they've always wanted to that will drive them to go ahead and do it.......not some overwhelming, Christ-centered devotion to wanting to help another struggling songwriter "make it".  That devotion died in the 70's or 80's.  Today it is all about "ME" being discovered as a musician or singer.  Helping the little man? I COULD CARE LESS!

Mind you, when your songwriting career takes off and blows up (notice I didn't say IF), all of them will come to you offering to help then....but still it's about wanting to work with you (latch on to your coat tail) because now YOU have some pull to help take them to another level that they haven't acheived yet but really want to!!!  Still, it's not about helping you!

But the good news is that if God has in His plan for you to excel and succeed as a songwriter, He will make it happen by any means necessary and in spite of the drama and opposition that you now face.  I am saying all of this from experience because I've only had ONE SONG to be recorded in my 33 years of living, which still leaves me as one of the "nobodies" in Memphis.  

People hear that we are doing an all-original concert on March 4th with some songs that I wrote and they literally laugh!  Yet, I ask God if I should cancel and he keeps saying...."most of these songs have sat in that little blue bag in your closet since 1995, and that's not why I gave them to you.  I wanted you to bless my PEOPLE with your music...not the blue bag!"  So, I'm pressing on but pulling this off (along with the play and the Dianne concert) are HARD!  I know the end result will be worth it!

AS A SIDE NOTE (but still on point)  the Musical this past Saturday was a "successful flop" (you have to know my terminology).  No one who agreed to do anything did it.  Only one choir and two praise dance groups showed up (out of the four choirs who called last week to confirm), our deacons didn't show up to help with anything or unlock the front doors to the church (which I don't have a key to).  There was not a minister present to pray, give the benediction, or otherwise.  BUT  God sent a friend of mine who is an ordained minister to facilitate the service in granddaddy's absence, I jumped through the window of the sound room, opened the door from the inside and turned the mics on since I don't have a key to that either!  I went in the kitchen and turned the stove on and started cooking until some choir members got the hint and came back to help (when the program was almost over).....but God did his thing!  Yes, I had to work like MAD....but the entire event proved to be an overwhelming success and EVERYONE stayed to the end....and boy did they eat....and we made more than enough money to complete the down payment on our new robes and pay Dianne's deposit, which is why I had the musical to begin with!

It didn't go like I wanted it to, but God's plan was "success"....He didn't say HOW the success would come, and yet it came!

It will be the same way with you.  Don't focus on how it's coming....just know that it will come!

(and bump this message back up to the top in about a week, when the play on 2/25 starts to stress me out ....I'll probably need a dose of my own sermon by then!   :lol: )

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 11:04:21 AM »
I hear ya... but as a musician, I feel them too....Suggestion: sing your songs on tape.  That will give a musician a general idea of where you want the song to go.  Hum ( if you have to ) what you think the music should sound like.  Give the tape to a musician you trust and ask him to check it out, give opinions, and work with it if they dig it


That will give them time to work on it without having to set-up a session time with anyone.

If they dig it, they will work on it, and then you all can get together and finish it.

Bottom line....if you believe in your music you will do whatever it takes to bring it out of your head and onto a tape or disc...don't give up!
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2006, 06:29:02 PM »
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Take it from someone who is now stepping out on faith BIG TIME on the original music tip!  Raise you about $500, and the next time you need them to play flash the 5 benjamins (or fan yourself with them) while you are talking.  You will have no problem getting them to participate.  OR, have a soloist who is so reputable and noted that most musicians have been dying to work with (again flash the benjamins when you ask them to sing).....MOST OF ALL, know that it's either the benjamins or a chance to work with someone they've always wanted to that will drive them to go ahead and do it.......not some overwhelming, Christ-centered devotion to wanting to help another struggling songwriter "make it".  That devotion died in the 70's or 80's.  Today it is all about "ME" being discovered as a musician or singer.  Helping the little man? I COULD CARE LESS!

Mind you, when your songwriting career takes off and blows up (notice I didn't say IF), all of them will come to you offering to help then....but still it's about wanting to work with you (latch on to your coat tail) because now YOU have some pull to help take them to another level that they haven't acheived yet but really want to!!!  Still, it's not about helping you!

But the good news is that if God has in His plan for you to excel and succeed as a songwriter, He will make it happen by any means necessary and in spite of the drama and opposition that you now face.  I am saying all of this from experience because I've only had ONE SONG to be recorded in my 33 years of living, which still leaves me as one of the "nobodies" in Memphis.  

People hear that we are doing an all-original concert on March 4th with some songs that I wrote and they literally laugh!  Yet, I ask God if I should cancel and he keeps saying...."most of these songs have sat in that little blue bag in your closet since 1995, and that's not why I gave them to you.  I wanted you to bless my PEOPLE with your music...not the blue bag!"  So, I'm pressing on but pulling this off (along with the play and the Dianne concert) are HARD!  I know the end result will be worth it!

AS A SIDE NOTE (but still on point)  the Musical this past Saturday was a "successful flop" (you have to know my terminology).  No one who agreed to do anything did it.  Only one choir and two praise dance groups showed up (out of the four choirs who called last week to confirm), our deacons didn't show up to help with anything or unlock the front doors to the church (which I don't have a key to).  There was not a minister present to pray, give the benediction, or otherwise.  BUT  God sent a friend of mine who is an ordained minister to facilitate the service in granddaddy's absence, I jumped through the window of the sound room, opened the door from the inside and turned the mics on since I don't have a key to that either!  I went in the kitchen and turned the stove on and started cooking until some choir members got the hint and came back to help (when the program was almost over).....but God did his thing!  Yes, I had to work like MAD....but the entire event proved to be an overwhelming success and EVERYONE stayed to the end....and boy did they eat....and we made more than enough money to complete the down payment on our new robes and pay Dianne's deposit, which is why I had the musical to begin with!

It didn't go like I wanted it to, but God's plan was "success"....He didn't say HOW the success would come, and yet it came!

It will be the same way with you.  Don't focus on how it's coming....just know that it will come!

(and bump this message back up to the top in about a week, when the play on 2/25 starts to stress me out ....I'll probably need a dose of my own sermon by then!   :lol: )


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Re: [b][u][size=18][/size]WHY MUST IT BE THIS WAY?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2006, 06:53:21 PM »
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[/u][/b]I don't classify myself as a songwriter, but I've found that this is one of the only ways I can 'express' myself without a whole lot of conflama (conflict, confusion & drama).  Having said that, I ask you all this.  Why is it that local musicians that attend or frequent your church will always offer their help, but get 'busy' when you take them up on that offer?  For instance, I sang a song I wrote a while back at my church entitled 'Lord, Help Me'.  I received nothing but positive feedback from people, even the musician that picked up on the song to better convey the message.  Now, lots of folks know that I write & ask me why don't I try to do something with all these songs that the Lord has given me?  My reply is always 'I can't play and I don't have anyone to play for me.'  That is when folks say 'Well, I can help you, just call me.'  I say ok and do just that.  Yet, when I do, I always get 'Man, my plate is REALLY full.  Sorry.'  Mind you, I've seen them consent to help others work on a cover tune moments afterwards on more than one occassion.  This is very discouraging to me.  I want to just quit writing, but I become so ill that it's unbearable.  What am I doing wrong?

LyricTenor


Well, I'll you this...

...Technology has become real efficient nowadays, and I can get my hands on some things that I will be able to help you wherever you're at.  Is there anyway you can record any part of the song, either chords or voice, to a CD?  From there I can splice it and help you out as far as composing/arranging your song.

Now, when I say I'll help you, I'll help you =o)

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Re: [b][u][size=18][/size]WHY MUST IT BE THIS WAY?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2006, 08:28:09 PM »
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[/u][/b]I don't classify myself as a songwriter, but I've found that this is one of the only ways I can 'express' myself without a whole lot of conflama (conflict, confusion & drama).  Having said that, I ask you all this.  Why is it that local musicians that attend or frequent your church will always offer their help, but get 'busy' when you take them up on that offer?  For instance, I sang a song I wrote a while back at my church entitled 'Lord, Help Me'.  I received nothing but positive feedback from people, even the musician that picked up on the song to better convey the message.  Now, lots of folks know that I write & ask me why don't I try to do something with all these songs that the Lord has given me?  My reply is always 'I can't play and I don't have anyone to play for me.'  That is when folks say 'Well, I can help you, just call me.'  I say ok and do just that.  Yet, when I do, I always get 'Man, my plate is REALLY full.  Sorry.'  Mind you, I've seen them consent to help others work on a cover tune moments afterwards on more than one occassion.  This is very discouraging to me.  I want to just quit writing, but I become so ill that it's unbearable.  What am I doing wrong?

LyricTenor


Well, I'll you this...

...Technology has become real efficient nowadays, and I can get my hands on some things that I will be able to help you wherever you're at.  Is there anyway you can record any part of the song, either chords or voice, to a CD?  From there I can splice it and help you out as far as composing/arranging your song.

Now, when I say I'll help you, I'll help you =o)


Now, that's deep. Can you do this for anybody?
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2006, 09:01:44 PM »
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Now, that's deep. Can you do this for anybody?


Yes, sir.  I'm not about to encourage the body of Christ to 'upgrade' and not do it myself.  I believe it's time that we start using this website for more than just getting by with a chord here and a progression there.  The talent that comes to this website is amazing and I would love to see 4HisGlory, ReddGirl, SJonathan02, Dre2004, Keywiz, Ladywiz, Nakia518, etc. appear on 60 minutes, Dateline NBC, 20/20 discussing how this website has CHANGED the way gospel music/ministry is being done.

I've seen 20-minute documentaries on these shows talking about Joel Olsteen, T.D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Billy Graham, Billy Graham's daughter so I know I'm not talking about obtaining something that's not reachable.

But, the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step...

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2006, 09:06:24 PM »
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Now, that's deep. Can you do this for anybody?


Yes, sir.  I'm not about to encourage the body of Christ to 'upgrade' and not do it myself.  I believe it's time that we start using this website for more than just getting by with a chord here and a progression there.  The talent that comes to this website is amazing and I would love to see 4HisGlory, ReddGirl, SJonathan02, Dre2004, Keywiz, Ladywiz, Nakia518, etc. appear on 60 minutes, Dateline NBC, 20/20 discussing how this website has CHANGED the way gospel music/ministry is being done.

I've seen 20-minute documentaries on these shows talking about Joel Olsteen, T.D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Billy Graham, Billy Graham's daughter so I know I'm not talking about obtaining something that's not reachable.

But, the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step...


You betta preach, man!! Amen!!
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2006, 09:50:41 PM »
I was on my way to the altar, but you never opened the doors!  Imma join anyway!!!!!!!


You preached that!  60 minutes!  Bobby Jones Gospel!  Lift Every Voice!  

Or how about LGM impacting the lives of gospel musicians so much to where the originators (and instructors here) end up with their own TV show on BET where for 30 minutes a night, gospel musicians receive instruction that actually helps them to develop as musicians rather than get a chord here or there to make it through a song!

I see you on that!  In addition to the LGM CD project!

God is using this board in a MIGHTY way, but not HALF as much as He will when.................

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2006, 09:58:21 AM »
I appreciate all this feedback.  It helps a lot to unbiased (I think that's the right word) responses.  I would record myself, but some of those notes I hear but can't sing.  You know, the off notes.  I call them 'Dischords'.  Follow me?  Try as I might, I never seem to get it.  I was told once that my songs were too 'wordy'.  That's directly slamming my life.  I said as much WITHOUT LOSING MY TEMPER (that's a HUGE step for me).  Anyway, I'm going to try some of these suggestions and see what happens.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 10:33:19 AM »
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I appreciate all this feedback.  It helps a lot to unbiased (I think that's the right word) responses.  I would record myself, but some of those notes I hear but can't sing.  You know, the off notes.  I call them 'Dischords'.  Follow me?  Try as I might, I never seem to get it.  I was told once that my songs were too 'wordy'.  That's directly slamming my life.  I said as much WITHOUT LOSING MY TEMPER (that's a HUGE step for me).  Anyway, I'm going to try some of these suggestions and see what happens.


You should at least be able to sing the basic melody of the song. Without that, no one can help you because no one can get inside your head. So, to the best of your ability, you're going to have to be able to sing a basic version of any song, record it, and then go from there.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 11:10:46 AM »
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I appreciate all this feedback.  It helps a lot to unbiased (I think that's the right word) responses.  I would record myself, but some of those notes I hear but can't sing.  You know, the off notes.  I call them 'Dischords'.  Follow me?  Try as I might, I never seem to get it.  I was told once that my songs were too 'wordy'.  That's directly slamming my life.  I said as much WITHOUT LOSING MY TEMPER (that's a HUGE step for me).  Anyway, I'm going to try some of these suggestions and see what happens.


You should at least be able to sing the basic melody of the song. Without that, no one can help you because no one can get inside your head. So, to the best of your ability, you're going to have to be able to sing a basic version of any song, record it, and then go from there.



Make sure that you copyright anything that you put on tape and hand to someone else.  We all aren't Kingdom minded.  As someone who is "that" busy and is asked for help alot I do try to accomodate.  But my one request is always to put it on tape.  

Honestly one of the best investments that you can make is a minidisc recorder.  I love mine.  

But I know that it helps me with people because then I can pop it in when I am doing other things and then something will come to me so that when I see you I can say "yo, I was thinking about this or that".  It is just alot easier.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 02:24:08 PM »
Well, to piggyback on Jman...I'm not going to help you and NOT look out for you.  I have Sibelius here at home so, along with trying to help put music to your song, it will be composed & arranged so that you will have the opportunity to copyright & publish it.  That way it'll be NO MISTAKE as to whose song it is and who deserve the rights to it.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 03:09:09 PM »
The basic melody isn't a problem at all.  I can even sing some of the chords I want.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2006, 04:10:25 PM »
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I was told once that my songs were too 'wordy'.  That's directly slamming my life.  


Actually its not a direct slam at all... I got the same thing from my brother who produces music.... I wanted to put so much in the song.... So we changed it... The song needs to flow and catch someones ear... otherwise they will not listen to it...

Eversince I changed my song and took out some of the words without losing the point it sounded better... I love the new way the song flows... and it allows me to do some nice runs and riffs...

I guess what I am getting at is .... take things as constructive... Don't be offended to quickly (Did I just state the 8O ) Most of the time the info will help you... And if you really aint tryna hear what they saying... Smile and say you know what I will think about that and walk away... (Did I just state that  8O ) WOW!!!!!

LadyWiz would be so proud... ~sniff~ :cry:  :cry:

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2006, 10:54:16 AM »
I bet you're absolutely hilarious in person!... 8O Wait, I'm not trying to get at you.  This response came from a singer, not a musician.  They can play about as much as I can.  I feel what you're saying though, that's why I'm trying to get w/someone that actually PLAYS.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 06:56:27 PM »
ENOUGH TALKING!!!

I'M READY TO WORK!!!

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2006, 07:42:46 AM »
8O  ... By all means, don't let us stop you from working.
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