how to get phat voicings instantly

[jlewis]

Man,

I was trying to give you your props, but I guess I just ended up butchering your name.  Anyway, it was a fun excercise and I learned some stuff myself.  But I hope it helps somebody and I think that this is the type of stuff this website is designed for.

Yeah, after I looked at the video I notticed I was using octave shells, but I was too tired to do it over again.  I fall into my old habits when I'm not concentrating.

But the Key here is that if you don't know all your chords you can use the formula ( and your ear) and come up with some real nice voicings  the key is placement, and what you want to resolve to.


Man keeps them tips coming you are giving away GOLD!!!!


jlewis

[Eggs]

I'll take a crack at it...

The relative diminished chord is the chord you arrive on by taking the 3rd of the dominant:

i.e.   the relative diminished chord for Bb is found by taking the third of the dominant, F,
       which gives us A diminished.... so A diminished is the relative diminished of Bb

But if the chord is the dominant of the scale, then we find the relative diminished by taking
the third of the root of the dominant:

i.e.   in the key of Db, the dominant of the scale is Ab... and the third of Ab is C... thus
       C diminished is the relative diminished of Ab in the key of Db

Now once you find the relative diminished chord, you then lower all the notes by a chromatic to
arrive at the diminished family of roots to build your triads on:

i.e.   since the relative diminished chord of Ab in Db major is C Eb Gb A, we lower each note by a
       chromatic, arriving at B D F Ab ... and we then use each of these notes to build our triads in
       the right hand, over the left hand shell (which in this case is an Ab shell)

The notes are called a family first of course because diminished chords built on any of the 4 roots
give the same chord, and also because we are using these same roots to build other triads to
create these interesting voicings.

That's it!

Hope it helps       ..... Diverse and Sjonathan...  how'd a brutha do?

Eggs

[Eggs]

Looks like I was a little late!  This topic is hot!

[elio]

Okay, Here is my video.
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jlewis

Dude,
Thanks a lot. The video was cool.

[Eggs]

I second that.  Thank Jlewis!

[diverse379]

I think you did a cool thing you brought this thing home

I thought it was intersesting how you made thre note diminished chords and then lowered one of those notes intead of the four note diminished chord

it gives you warmer tones

exactly what you need for gospel

I did not know what to do about the tensions on some of these but your idea of smaller chords works because I dont use the full 7th chord I use the triad so you did a similar thing

Now we need to explore the relative diminished because there is a lot we can do with this chord as well

and you are right you must use your ear to choose the right family chord to use.

[sjonathan02]

I'll take a crack at it...

The relative diminished chord is the chord you arrive on by taking the 3rd of the dominant:

i.e.   the relative diminished chord for Bb is found by taking the third of the dominant, F,
       which gives us A diminished.... so A diminished is the relative diminished of Bb

But if the chord is the dominant of the scale, then we find the relative diminished by taking
the third of the root of the dominant:

i.e.   in the key of Db, the dominant of the scale is Ab... and the third of Ab is C... thus
       C diminished is the relative diminished of Ab in the key of Db

Now once you find the relative diminished chord, you then lower all the notes by a chromatic to
arrive at the diminished family of roots to build your triads on:

i.e.   since the relative diminished chord of Ab in Db major is C Eb Gb A, we lower each note by a
       chromatic, arriving at B D F Ab ... and we then use each of these notes to build our triads in
       the right hand, over the left hand shell (which in this case is an Ab shell)

The notes are called a family first of course because diminished chords built on any of the 4 roots
give the same chord, and also because we are using these same roots to build other triads to
create these interesting voicings.

That's it!

Hope it helps       ..... Diverse and Sjonathan...  how'd a brutha do?

Eggs

I believe you have it; you'd have to ask Diverse (the Simon of Piano Room Idol  ) to be sure.

[sjonathan02]

Okay, Here is my video.


I couldn't sleep ( partly because I got a head cold and my nose is stopped up) so I decided to go ahead  an put this out.

I mis-named 2 of the modified chords in this video so I correctly name them here.

I called a chord that I used my "own" modification on a   Fminor9  it is actually a Gminor9

I called a chord a Bb dim 6.   It is actually a Bb Sus 6 and I resolve it back to the Bb major chord.

Everything else  I thik is named accurately.  After I shot the video I noticed that my hands were covering the keys, but I name  everything as I play it so I think it should be Ok


this was a late night adventure  and I'll be the first to admit that I'm no singer, so don't trip on my vocals,  I'm talking through them "Donald Lawerence Style"

I basically used the method that diverse379 has outlined to modify some of the changes in the song  from the basic  structure.

the song is "God is Here" by Martha Munizzi.



Let me know if this helps somebody.


  here is the link

http://www.webtest.stpbc.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=32&page=view&catid=3&PageNo=1&key=1&hit=1

jlewis

dude, what you've done really puts everything into a brighter light. Thanks, I'll be checking this out again and again.

hey, that isn't the St. Paul's Baptist in Va, is it?

[diverse379]

Yes he has  a good idea in how he uses it Ike I said i use the concept a little differently but The method That Jlewis used yields tamer voicings perfect for worship

There are a few concepts missing But no matter how deep you dg in this thing ther will always be something else.

Two things the relative diminished gives you notes to substitute or use in your bsic chord like the 9 the 11 the flat 13 and the major 7

so you can take a minor chord and the relative diminshed can yield any of the abave tensions to put in your chord.

also somethimes I will take two or three of the triads found in the family and play them as a two chord pass into another chord

Barry has thousands of applications for this stuff

so As I learn more I will Share more

I tell you I am overjoyed that Jlewis shared this.\

Eggs you have it But you mislabled the family of 7ths you called them the family of diminished

but I think you have the concept you just might lead someone else astry if you explain it that way.

So what progressions have you got for me what chords have you phattened

[jlewis]

dude, what you've done really puts everything into a brighter light. Thanks, I'll be checking this out again and again.

hey, that isn't the St. Paul's Baptist in Va, is it?

Nah man,   I on the west coast  ( Boise, Idaho).   Originally From georgia, went to college in Alabama (Auburn Univ).  I'm a southern boy thru and thru.   Came out here to work for Hewlett Packard. St. Paul is the Church I attend here.

jlewis

[musallio]

Every folk ought to study this if U haven't already



Please add this as a sticky...

There is so much I have to learn still