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Offline koolkappa

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« on: August 26, 2005, 05:57:24 PM »
who makes a better bass for all around music ken smith or mtd

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2005, 08:57:01 PM »
This is a very subjective question.  To say that any bass is better than another on any given day is to say that it fits a certain player better than it fits another.  So players of the "better bass" are then "better players?"  I wouldn't say that at all.

Maurice Fitzgerald has left a few Ken Smiths panting for breath by the end of the show, and Jimmy Haslip (with the Yellow jackets) and Kim Stone (with Spyro Gyra) have said things musically with their MTD's that folks never heard before.  

How about I give you my opinion on both and you can decide for yourself.....

Ken Smith makes wonderfully crafted basses.  The fit and finish and play-ability (from string height to neck design) are of top quality.  Wood choices are superb.... the man LOVES walnut.  He has a drying process and time period that really turns ordinary wood in to great instruments.  A Ken Smith is gonna be punchy!!  Especially the Bolt Ons.  In my opinion, Bolt Ons tend to be more articulate than neckthru's.  Neckthru's are great for sustain and deep harmonics.  A bolt-on is better at making you feel like you're sparring with Tyson.  Slap it right and it'll slap you back.  Ken Smith basses are worthy gloves for that fight.  

MTD's are different animals in that Mr. Tobias used to make neckthrus exclusively before he entered into a business deal with Gibson and now makes MTD's.  So he know's a thing or two about the two construction styles.  That he settled on bolt on's says something to me about his direction for his instruments and his company.  The more articulate MTD's, in my opinion, have the Wenge Neck and Wenge Fingerboard.  The tonal range in which they excell at goes considerably deeper, by that, I mean that an MTD with the wenge/wenge combination sounds stronger in the low end.  Other necks and fingerboard combinations aren't slouches, but if you've ever heard or played a wenge/wenge MTD, you'll know what I mean.  Body woods for MTD vary and he loves to use exotic tops.  Craftsmanship is top notch.  Electronics are usually Bartolini and that alone make the instruments special.  Mr. Smith uses his own proprietary electronics, and they're not bad, but the Bart's in MTD's really help you stand out.   By the way, don't let 18 volt electronic packages impress you over 9 volt.  THe increase in Headroom is only slightly noticeable ON A RECORDING, and it is not at all noticeable in a live situation.  Ken Smith JUST started using an 18V package to keep his instruments competitive with all the others on the market.  He didn't have to at all.  The 9 V Smiths are just as good and just as strong.  

Having said all that, the best, most expensive & exotic bass will still sound like hot doo doo in the hands of an inexperienced player.  I am fortunate enough to own a Fodera, and while I'm not bad... in the hands of other players, my bass has BLOWN ME AWAY..... well not really, what the bass CAN do and sound like is what has impressed me.  The real skill was in the hands of the musician using it to speak to my musical senses.  

Compare this to that all you want.  I'll be the first one at the table when it's time to talk gear...... but don't forget to practice your craft.   That's where really good basses shine.... in the hands of really good bass PLAYERS.

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 11:21:54 PM »
I was at Passion in Praise last weekend. Joel Smith and Tommy Brown gave the Groovin clinic for bass and drums. Tommy Brown had both a beautiful Ken Smith bass and a beautiful MTD bass with him. He would play a few jams with one, put it down and pick up the other and go back and forth. If I had not seen it live I would have never known he was playin two different Basses.

I'll take them both!!!!!!!

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2005, 11:42:14 PM »
Quote from: JayZee
I was at Passion in Praise last weekend. Joel Smith and Tommy Brown gave the Groovin clinic for bass and drums.

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Yeah, I hear you on that one.  I found out about it Passion in Praise too late, but I think, thanks to YOUR post, that Joel Smith's DVD recording session tomorrow is going to be really good.  Man, I need to find me a teacher!!  Gotta move on to the next level!  Hopefully, I'll pick up some good things that I can uses tomorrow.  See you there??

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 12:27:23 AM »
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Compare this to that all you want. I'll be the first one at the table when it's time to talk gear...... but don't forget to practice your craft. That's where really good basses shine.... in the hands of really good bass PLAYERS.


With that said i'll add:

its all about the player, not the bass.. Take an artist, he can express himself with the lamest brushes, and it come out very professional. give a professional and expensive brush to the inexperienced painter and he'll make  it look like a child did it..

i've seen guys play at the local jobber and they'll thrash a $120 bass make it sound like a high end instrument.. then the inexperienced play the same bass and make it sound like the $120 instrument that it is..

Testimony: i had an ol acoustic mid sized guitar as a kid, years of just sitting around it had rusty strings, and the tuning heads (plastic part) fell off. you had to tune it with a pair of pliers.. this guy was working on my roomates car years ago, and man he started to play that junky guitar that sounded even more worthless when i 'tried' to play it.. but this guy sounded like jimi when he let loose..i was blown away and thought this aint a bad guitar after all, then i played it and it was still a junky guitar..

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2005, 05:32:39 AM »
This is true a guy at my job can take a First Act wal-mart bass and still put a tear under my eye. I seen him play a $90 Squire and the man raised my blood pressure. I've played a $1300 bass and I made my own ears hurt.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 07:41:22 AM »
I personally have not played either.  But I've heard both.  They both are great sounding basses.  I like the look of the Ken Smith, though.  I would like to play them first before I could answer which I like better.

VernDog, you should be a columist or something.  You write like a jounalist.

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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2006, 08:51:06 AM »
Every bass has its own quality, feel, character just like you wear a certain pair of shoes.  Sometimes it's not
just the bass that makes the player...it's the player.
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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2006, 11:48:43 AM »
I have the Tobias and the other bassist at the church have the Ken. You really cant go wrong with either, but what I can say is Ken has a more distinct sound to were you'll know it is a Ken if you heard it. A Tobias has gadgets that can give you different sounds based on the type(of Tobias you have) and all Ken has pretty much the same sound reguardless of the model or price.
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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2006, 04:12:49 PM »
i must agree with everyone else both instruments are top notch, it just depends on what each individual desires in a bass. i have to admit that i bought a ken smith for the wrong reason( being that everyone else had one). i found out that they do not sound any better than any other bass of its caliber, nor does it improve your playing. i have a custom ken bebensee that sounds just as good as a smith or an mtd.  before you spend that much money on any bass make sure it is the bass for you, that is all that really matters.

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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2006, 07:29:10 PM »
I can't even speak on it.  I'm not at that level yet.  Eventually I want to be good enough to own one of both though.

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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 01:22:54 PM »
Not just becuase Im an MTD artist, but MTD ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im just gonna put it out there, and I hope I dont offend anybody when I say this, but Only the old Ken Smiths are even worth playin. If you have a smith that was made any year after 93, ITS NOT SWEET!!!!!!! PERIOD!
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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2006, 04:38:53 PM »
Justin,
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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2006, 04:46:27 PM »
What's up Justin?  Could you elaborate?  Seems like you have some insight but what are some the technicals.  I saw your MTD and no offense but it looked like a Ken Smith knock off.  I've heard people play one of each.  Wolldav from England (LGM member) has a nice black tiger and when he slaps, that axe is punchy...woo so punchy.  But I like yours for the smoothness doing finger style.  It's kind of like my two main basses now.  My bolt on is way more punch...but my neck thru is much smoother.

Yo...P.M. me.  If I by a Tobias, I want one like yours.  Maybe we can create a market for the Raines signature.  Can't hide homie ;)


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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2006, 06:07:53 PM »
I love Ken Smith basses, but I played this MTD 535 chambered body bass Friday that had me seriously considering some illegalities  :o

This was at a bass players' get together in Fremont, Ohio.  It was BY FAR my favorite bass there (other than the ones I brought, of course).

There were two of these basses there.  They are special order from Mike Tobias at MTD Design.  What makes them special is that they are semi-hollow with a chambered body.  MTD fans may notice that it's a bit thicker than your typical 535.  Now, in fairness to the comparison, there were no Ken Smiths in attendance that night.  But there were two Sadowskys, a Fodera, a Roscoe, several other MTDs, and a Celinder and this one blew them all away.  The Roscoe was a respectable second.



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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2006, 08:29:38 PM »
 :oLooks like you can fit and thumb and another finger between strings.  That's what I want, that width between strings to make things clean.


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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2006, 09:58:24 PM »
I'll Take a MTD 635 over any Bass anybass for any music. no other bass can compare im sorry for u smith lovers out there, smiths are all look, ok sound, i seen a new MTD my Boy Got with these sick strings dat match the bass color, its amazing. im not even gonna get started on the sound ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :o :o :o

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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2006, 06:42:33 PM »
Fbass!!!!!!!!
After playing MTD and Ken Smith  I chose Fbass don't sleep on the BN5 so sweet

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Re: ken smith or mtd
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2006, 07:17:33 PM »
+1 on what FemalePrazzer said.
I like both Smith & MTD but my 34.5" scale F Bass BN5 would easily rival either of them.
But Smith or MTD is not a one better than the other choice, it's a players preference.
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