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ITS FUNNY TO ME IN THE EARLY DAYS WHEN I LOOKED UP TO MOST "BIG TIME"DRUMMERS
ITS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAW ON A VIDEO OR HEARD ON CD'S
I HAVENT HEARD TO MANY CATS THATS PEOPLE SO CALLED LOVE SO MUCH ON ANYTHING SPECIAL....

I FEEL THAT ITS PERSONNALY EASY TO BE ON GOSPEL RECORDS...BECAUSE THATS WHERE WE COME FROM THATS WHAT WE LEARN 1ST
BUT I NEVER HEAR ANY OF THESE CAT S ON OTHER ALBUMS THAT CAN BE PURCHASE @ STORES.


LENGENDARY DRUMMERS EX.
TONY WILLIAMS,,VINNIE, DENNIS ,ELVIN,JEFF PORCARO,RICKY LAWSON,

ALL THESE CAT CAN BE FOUND ON REAL RECORDS....NATIONWIDE & INTERNATIONALLY JAZZ FUNK FUSION TOP 40 WHATEVER

HOW DOES THAT LOOK ON NEW CATS
WHO GET MENTION IN EVERY FORUM AND IN MODERN DRUMMER
BUT WHEN YOU PULL UP A DISCOGRAPHY NOTHIN SHOWS UP.......I THINK IF MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE ON ALBUMS
PEOPLE WOULD GIVE EM MORE RESPECT BECAUSE PLAYIN WITH KEYSHIA COLE IS JUST THAT...IM NOT ON ANY ALBUM
THAT WENT PLATINUM, IM JUST WORKIN ON TOUR LIKE THE BACKGROUND SINGER AND THE MONITOR MAN.....WHERE IS THE RECORDS WITH THE RONNALDS THE THOMAS'S THE TONY'S THE SPANKY'S
AND WHEN I SAY ALBUMS I MEAN SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY NATIONWIDE IF NOT INTERNATIONAL...NOT JUST IN A LOCAL AREA
IS R LEVEL OF WHAT IS A MUSICIAN FALLING SHORT BECAUSE OF MUSICIANS TRYING TO WOW EACH OTHER
AND NOT THINKIN ABOUT JUST PLAYING GREAT MUSIC

IF I NEVER RECORDED WITH ANYONE WOULD I BE CONSIDERED GREAT....PROBABLY NOT..
I SEE A WHOLE LOT OF SHED CLIPS
BUT I NEVER HEAR A MP3 FROM ANY ALBUMS 

ALBUMS EQUAL HISTORY
WHEN REGULAR NONE MUSICIAN PEOPLE LOOK @ DVD'S AND SHOWS
THEY RARELY CARE WHO'S BEHIND THE DRUMS OR THE KEYS....SO HOW DO YOU MAKE YOUR MARK IN MUSIC HISTORY, JUST TOURING WITH FAMOUS ARTIST...YOGI HORTON DID THAT HE TOURED WITH LUTHER VANDROSS WITH MARCUS MILLER HE PLAYED WITH COUNTLESS PEOPLE BUT MOST CATS ON HERE THAT ARE DRUMMERS AND SO CALLED "MUSICIANS" DONT EVEN KNOW WHO WAS!!!
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IM A MUSICIAN NOT JUST A DRUMMER
I WANT ALL KINDS OF MUSICIANS TO KNOW ME, NOT JUST DRUMMERS......IVE NEVER BEEN HIRED BY A DRUMMER.....EVER

 SO GET ON WAX THEN CONQUER THE WORLD TILL THEN YOUR STILL LOCAL...LOL

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2006, 04:20:22 PM »
Thanks for imparting some wisdom. Hey i'm about to IM you some intresting material u might like

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2006, 04:24:19 PM »
People will get mad, but they'll get over it.

I personally don't agree with everything you said, but that's all good, tho'. I don't have to. That's not the point. Hopefully yours words helped someone.

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2006, 04:37:12 PM »
Can a musician be deemed great if he's never been recorded on wax??? 



If a tree falls over in the forest, and noone hears it, does it make a sound??

I think we as musicians, have to strive to be great by our own standards.. It's great to have the respect/admiration of your peers, but I'm sure that's not what drove us to the point of insanity with practice...we play music because we ARE music..What makes a musician in my eyes is when you can strive in any atmosphere/genre...Are you comfortable out of your comfort zone? Personally, I don't see too many great musicians nowadays, we have alot of copy-cat artists and guys who are 'great' at mimicking...Great musicians to me, are guys who change the course of their particular instrument....such as a Jaco Pastorius, Buddy Rich, etc...

I don't think one's resume and work experience qualifies them as being a great musician....it just means he/she's well connected..Now, they can be great and well connected all at once, but the work history, in itself does not stipulate how great a musician is. ..There are many unknown greats who are just waiting for the chance to be heard....or they don't care to be heard at all..

No knock on what you said TP, I agree with some of what you stated..

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2006, 04:55:49 PM »
both of those cats you just mention are on many albums been seen all over the place

name someone who gets that love you gave them
without the history & the work.....the miles davis had a legacy that lives on because what he did and all the classic jazz records he put out
 not cause he played in europe summer of 72' that so mynute


touring and playing gigs doesnt creat a legacy.....buddy rich has created a legacy because after he died people remember all his work
and could bring it back up on record form or vhs form and see and hear it again and again just like jaco

my opinion
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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2006, 05:03:03 PM »
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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2006, 05:12:14 PM »
After reading what you last said TP, I still ask the same question....


Can a musician be deemed great if he's never been recorded on wax?

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2006, 07:42:52 PM »
After reading what you last said TP, I still ask the same question....


Can a musician be deemed great if he's never been recorded on wax?

Greatness is deemed in legacy. What mark a person/musician leaves.

I think that there has to be a mark... a record a score. We cannot judge ourselves to be great by our own standards if our own standards have not been proven. Proof. Does that mean that every recorded performance is good? no... I think we all undersatand the context to be that one has to leave a great finished work or perpetual idea documented.

I have question several times on several occassion does the world (earth/man) produce conquerors anymore? Referenced to mean great mean/musicians... Musicians that aspire to be great, to leave a legacy of change, growth, discovery. I have encouraged the masses to push past where they are and be the best they are meant to be (.... be great).

This thread from Thomsas Pridgen seems to been addressing that question. We have touched onm this in various ways/threads in a very off-center kind of way referencing  style/playing choices. This is taking a dead-on approach to a very serious question that we musicians/would-be musicians need to address. I hope that we can get 6 pages of real discussion out of this thread.

I personally am totally up lifted by the tpoic at hand. 
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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2006, 08:07:59 PM »
You may never get on wax but you might inspire someone to conquer the world.  Wouldnt that make you great?  If you inspired a great musician?

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2006, 08:13:38 PM »
Greatness is deemed in legacy. What mark a person/musician leaves.

I think that there has to be a mark... a record a score. We cannot judge ourselves to be great by our own standards if our own standards have not been proven. Proof. Does that mean that every recorded performance is good? no... I think we all undersatand the context to be that one has to leave a great finished work or perpetual idea documented.

I have question several times on several occassion does the world (earth/man) produce conquerors anymore? Referenced to mean great mean/musicians... Musicians that aspire to be great, to leave a legacy of change, growth, discovery. I have encouraged the masses to push past where they are and be the best they are meant to be (.... be great).

This thread from Thomsas Pridgen seems to been addressing that question. We have touched onm this in various ways/threads in a very off-center kind of way referencing  style/playing choices. This is taking a dead-on approach to a very serious question that we musicians/would-be musicians need to address. I hope that we can get 6 pages of real discussion out of this thread.

I personally am totally up lifted by the tpoic at hand. 

It's all subjective, anyway. I don't care if it's you believing you're great .... or if it's a thousand men believing this to be the case. I mean, I'm not against leaving legacies, at all. Obviously! However - I don't think the purpose of music is to SIMPLY leave a legacy. Music is an artform ... a form of expression. I mean, it sounds like what we have here .. is a modern-day expectation for the musician. Leaving a legacy of recorded/written music for others to appreciate/study, after you're gone. However, music has existed through out all times - and because a man chooses not to conform to the expectations of his predocessors & contemporaries, doesn't mean that he's any less of a musician. I mean, if you have no recorded work, then obviously you can't leave a legacy of recorded material. However, musicians existed before their were studios, or even music theory.

It's an expression of the soul - and even if it's only therapeutic/uplifting/fulfilling to you, and/or a small circle of inviduals you share it with - it has served A purpose. I mean, you can't place a limit on music, or the musician .... for the simple fact that it can be expressed in ANYWAY an individual can concieve of expressing it.  If he's not intrigued by the idea of leaving a lasting legacy, then that's an option that exists. If he chooses that path, then that's all well and good as well .... but, subjectivity and objectivity are two different animals. No matter how strongly we believe something to be so, that doesn't necessarily make it so.

If that be the case - how does one prove greatness? A thousand men can sing your praises from a thousand mountain tops - but it's all STILL a collective, subjective opinion.

Once again - I don't want anyone to read this, and use this as an excuse not to become educated and proficient in your craft. Music for me, is a very spiritual thing. This maybe a controversial statement .... but, my development as a musician is intertwined with my development spiritually. I do it for the love it. I use it as a means to develop self discipline. I use it as a means of meditation. I use it as a means of communicating with an audience. I use it to release frustration. I use it for every purpose that I see fit.

How?

'Cause as I've stated before, music can not be confined - it's purposes are as endless as man's ability of concieve of it's practical uses.

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2006, 08:48:48 PM »
A GREAT PLAYER IS A GREAT PLAYER  IF HE'S NEVER EVER PLAYS ON MAJOR  RECORDING

SOMETIMES CAPIBLE DRUMMERS GET SESSIONS BECAUSE WHO THEY KNOW   THEY DO HAVE TO BE CAPIBLE    SOMETIMES BECUASE OF THEIR FEEL . TALK TO A GREAT PLAYER HE'LL TELL YOU OF AN UKNOWN WHO BLOWS HIM AWAY    ITS WHAT YOU KNOW, PROFFESSIONALISM ,APPROACHMENT AND MUSICAL EXECUTION THAT MAKES YOU GREAT LOCAL OR NOT 


                              WE'VE ALL MET PROS (PAID DRUMMERS) THAT WERE GOOD BUT NOT GREAT       MY TAKE ON IT

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2006, 09:03:24 PM »
I FEEL LIKE THIS, THE INDUSTRY IS SO FLOODED WITH TALENT THAT EVERYBODY CAN'T BE ON MAJOR RECORDINGS, SO IS EVERY KID WHO DOESN'T MAKE  PRO BASKETBALL NOT A GREAT PLAYER, AARON SPEARS SAID IT BEST, " IT'S  A BLESSING FROM GOD TO GET OPPORTUMITIES THAT OTHERS COULD HAVE GOT" AND SOMETIMES  GETTING GIGS ISN'T ABOUT TALENT.

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Re: WHAT IS A GREAT MUSICIAN THESE DAYS(MY OWN THOUGHTS DONT GET MAD)
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2006, 09:14:39 PM »
It's not what you know, it's who you know!

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2006, 09:26:38 PM »
YOU STILL GOT TO HAVE THE ABILITY AND KNOW SOMEBODY   SO ,NOT JUST ANYBODY WILL GET THE GIG.  YOU GOT TO PUT IN WHAT COMES OUT . SO KEEP PRIORITY SHEDDING  FROM THE MOST IMPORTANT FOUNDIMENTAL DOWN

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2006, 09:36:34 PM »
To me greatness is determined by your personality, ability and determination. It comes down to what's your goal? Do want to be recognized for the number of CDs you play on? or for you contribution to the Music World. Oh wait a minute..hmmm we are Christians first so just for a thought what about how can we impact the world with the gift God has given us.

If God has afforded you an opportunity to go on tour, what are you doing while on tour to be a witness for Christ. Being a good steward over our gifts, to me also determines greatness. Granted all of us have various musicians we look up to, but ultimately, we need to look to God for inspiration.

If I'm local, so what...maybe that's where God has me at this time, is it going to stop me from pressing to the next level...heck no.

Easy getting on Gospel CDs...yeah ok..if that's how you feel..but if your spirit ain't right..then forget.. what's the use of playing on a Gospel CD...if you're on a Gospel CD it's about ministry...folks keep taking Gospel music lightly as if anybody can play Gospel music...I beg to differ.

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2006, 09:39:15 PM »
It's not what you know, it's who you know!


Who you know does not make you great.... and it does not make one a great musician.

If a great musician takes you under their wing and teaches you all they know and you learn it it will not make you great. You have to realize/walk into greatness on your own two feet (your will, your committment, your merit) and recive favor.
Try not to become a person of success but rather a person of VALUE. - T. Harv Eker

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2006, 09:43:38 PM »
...Once again - I don't want anyone to read this, and use this as an excuse not to become educated and proficient in your craft. Music for me, is a very spiritual thing. This maybe a controversial statement .... but, my development as a musician is intertwined with my development spiritually. I do it for the love it. I use it as a means to develop self discipline. I use it as a means of meditation. I use it as a means of communicating with an audience. I use it to release frustration. I use it for every purpose that I see fit.

How?

'Cause as I've stated before, music can not be confined - it's purposes are as endless as man's ability of concieve of it's practical uses.



As always Div you bring a heighten perspective to the table. Much respect for he position you come from. I appreciate where you come from on this.
Try not to become a person of success but rather a person of VALUE. - T. Harv Eker

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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2006, 09:45:13 PM »
GOD RAIN ON THE JUST AS WELL AS THE UNJUST  THE'RE S PEOPLE SAVED UNDER CROOKED PREACHERS   ARE THEY SAVED ?  IT'S PERSONAL   I DON'T THINK A BAD SPIRIT CAN OVER COME A GOSPEL TUNE IF THE WORDS IN IT   BUT I SEE WHAT YOUR SAYING 

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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2006, 09:49:11 PM »
As always Div you bring a heighten perspective to the table. Much respect for he position you come from. I appreciate where you come from on this.

The feeling is mutual, bro'. Most definitely...

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2006, 09:56:13 PM »
Well this is a really great topic of discussion.

I feel that there are two different types of drummers we should look at for this Question.
Drummer that use playing as part of Ministry and those Who use drumming mainly as an Artform. Personally I use it as a Ministry and most of the people here do also. 

The first thing that I feel that WE in this site should look at is Just how we are reaching other threw our Playing.  Because We are just not Musician But We are first and for most Christians.  If a given drummer in the gospel area is helping to save THOUSANDS OF Lives by bringing them in to the body of Christ through there.  I feel that person could still be see as a Legandary Person. That is why it is so important to understand that the playing is not about how may lick you have or how tight your solo was in the song.  It is about gettintg off the set and praying for lost  Souls. So Maybe the person may not been seen as a great Legendery.

But as a Great Man Or Woman of God. Cuz that is what I strive for fist and for most.  As Christians our reward is not on the or of this World.  So Personally if I never make a Million record selling LP then I'm ok with knowing that that was not a part of GOD"S Plan for my Minisrty. I mean is as a Christian you Help other to use the gifts that they have in a way that is Pleasing to God I think you have

Now on the other hand People Like a Buddy Rich or Elvin Jones that the main part of there playing was as an artform I feel that there should be something on paper or on A recording that will be let for others to hear or see in years to come.
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