Topic: Right or wrong??? (Read 5053 times)

carlmack7183 · « **on:** June 12, 2006, 07:12:39 PM »

My younger cousin is a very accomplished bassist in the New Orleans, La area and he had a dilemma recently and I want to know the opinion of you guys...

He's 18yrs and has been playing for 10yrs now for three different chuches for free. A larger prosperity gospel church recently approached him with an offer to play for their church services (the church has 4 services at different locations on Sunday). The only difference is that the large church wants to pay him a very nice salary to pay, whereas the smaller churches REFUSE to pay him (not even $50 a week). Do you guys think he is wrong if he leaves the small churches to play for the large one?????? What would you do??

carlmack7183 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2006, 07:16:13 PM »

I personally think he should leave b/c :

1) The larger church has a Nationally famous pastor, so they record new music and he can get more exposure
2) He is going to college soon, so he will need the money
3) He's paid his due for free for 10yrs. The preacher, organist, & various others get paid, so why shouldn't he???

musiqisme26 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2006, 07:51:17 PM »

he should do what he wants and just let the other churches now that he is leaving if chooses to go that route

#1 rule do not make decisions solely based off the financial aspect

funkStrat_97 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2006, 08:18:29 PM »

I don't thing its wrong to leave one church to attend another if the new church can afford to pay you. But money would not be the deciding factor for me; I would also have to agree with the doctrinal positon of the church and I perosnally don't agree with the 'prosperity gospel' movement.

MikeGee · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2006, 08:37:06 PM »

I don't think it's wrong but I hope he won't just just because of the money. if it were me in my current shoes, I'd be glad to stay at the unpaid church because I have a full time job that pays well. If I were in his shoes, it would have to depend on how I feel about my home church do I; love the church?, does the pastor speak to me every sunday during his word? and does the church as a whole share the same values as I do?

cleveakabig · « **Reply #5 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:24:46 PM »

Quote from: MikeGee on June 12, 2006, 08:37:06 PM

I don't think it's wrong but I hope he won't just just because of the money. if it were me in my current shoes, I'd be glad to stay at the unpaid church because I have a full time job that pays well. If I were in his shoes, it would have to depend on how I feel about my home church do I; love the church?, does the pastor speak to me every sunday during his word? and does the church as a whole share the same values as I do?

Have he talked to whoever in charge of paying the others and laying it on the table?

BimmerFan99 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:48:51 PM »

This depends on how important the pay is to him. If he's having trouble paying the bills, then he should consider the new alternative. I strongly emphasize "consider," though. He shouldn't accept money to play for a church he doesn't like or where he doesn't feel comfortable playing. There are more factors to consider than just pay.

cleveakabig · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2006, 12:08:06 AM »

Quote from: BimmerFan99 on June 12, 2006, 11:48:51 PM

This depends on how important the pay is to him. If he's having trouble paying the bills, then he should consider the new alternative. I strongly emphasize "consider," though. He shouldn't accept money to play for a church he doesn't like or where he doesn't feel comfortable playing. There are more factors to consider than just pay.

If he played for this church for 10 years for no pay. I would give his church a chance to match the new church offer or tell him good bye.
And go from there.

chrismc101 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2006, 09:11:41 AM »

I would 1st ask your cousin if he's being spiritually blessed at the church that he has been playing for all these years. If so, then that might be a reason why he hasn't left as of yet. But on the other hand, we an Christians have to understand GOD does place blessings in our lives and this could be that very blessing for your cousin with the larger church wanting to pay him a salary to play for them.

But I would visit the church and make sure he likes the atmosphere of the new church. I would hate for him to leave a place where he's plays for years and like it; to go to a church which pays him, but he hates it and can't wait to every service is over. LOL... But most of all, pray about it and GOD will let you know where you need to be. On a latter note, churches and individuals that want bass players or any musicians for that matter, should understand; yes, this is a gift that is given to us by GOD; but our bass, strings, amps, & other tools are not free. And can become quite expensive. Our time along that we put in rehersals, services, etc... at least deserve something other than, "Man you sound nice on that bass." Or whatever your instrument is. I mean, we can't compare ourselves to the pastor, but our music is a ministry and that should be understood. Many people in the church get paid and the musicians should be paid also.

Be blessed all...

corbro007 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 13, 2006, 01:40:33 PM »

Point blank...go where the money is God don't put money and opportunities in your face for you to stay where you are at and not take advantage of it. If he feels this is the best thing, Just Do It....I know I would....Its just like if you were cutting someones grass for free for 10 years at the same time struggling with paying your bills and not having money to prosper and someone ask to start cutting there grass exclusively for a huge firm and getting paid a whole lot to do it. I'm sure most would take that opportunity and would come back occassionally to give a free cut to your old neighbor or something....

Bullitt · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2006, 01:18:03 AM »

God > money

If he's led by the Spirit to go, then go. If not, it could be the worst decision of his musical career.

God Bless,
-J

malthumb · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2006, 01:26:28 AM »

From the way you've framed the situation, I'd be gone with the quickness. But my advice to your cousin would be as such....Take the money out of the equation. If thelarger church offered him the position with the same opportunitiyes for spiritual growth and growth in his craft, would he go? If the answer would be yes, then by all means go.

The way you've framed the situation leads me to believe he is not appreciated where he is and has an opportunity to grow in the new place.

Peace,

James

laj528 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 14, 2006, 09:53:33 PM »

The point is not about money or even the size, notoriety, or lack there of either church. This a God thing my fellow ministers.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matt 6:33

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom 8:14

Okay........ I'll stop .....

Just follow the leading of God he will never lead you astray.

chrismc101 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 15, 2006, 08:43:20 AM »

DITTO!

Steelpulz · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2006, 09:37:57 AM »

Without knowing all of the details...It looks like the other smaller churches have been taking advantage of him. To pay him Nothing all of these years is ridiculous. BUT he he pray...check out the doctrine at the new church...review the contract..and then make his decision. If he decides to go, he should be ready for the guilt trips teh othger churches are going to lay on him.

2byoung · « **Reply #15 on:** June 26, 2006, 12:39:56 PM »

I believe he should pray and ask god what is his will.

Andrzej · « **Reply #16 on:** June 29, 2006, 07:55:49 PM »

I have played for three churches. The first being a small church with about 250 members and later to the third being Kings Church in Newport, S.Wales...one of the largest in the UK that has their services broadcasted every week all over Europe and some parts of Africa viewed by approx 6 million viewers! Not once did I get paid for every church I have played for. Never really entered my mind to get paid for it. Doesn't really happen in this country no matter how big the church is. This subject is a little alien to me to be honest!

LO_RIDER · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:33:14 AM »

In ministry, and I stress ministry, you don't or shouldn't do it just for the money or exposure. This isn't American Idol. I'd love to be paid to play at my church. I've been toiling at my church which is a church of pretty good means I haven't asked for or been offered a cent. It does get difficult at times to put gas in the tank and go to rehearsals and services but I do my best to remain faithful knowing that God will provide a way someway somehow. Right or wrong? To answer that we need to examine the motive of the individual

wolldav · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:56:14 AM »

Andrzej, your completely right....me being from the states and moving to the U.K and chatting with bassist if they get paid or not, almost all said that they don't get paid but they play for the glory of God. So it is very alien to get paid here in the U.K. Andrzej, where are you located now and who do ya play for...i lived in cardiff, wales for 10 months....loads of musicians in cardiff..

TPCPastor · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2006, 08:32:56 AM »

Quote from: wolldav on July 18, 2006, 07:56:14 AM

Andrzej, your completely right....me being from the states and moving to the U.K and chatting with bassist if they get paid or not, almost all said that they don't get paid but they play for the glory of God. So it is very alien to get paid here in the U.K. Andrzej, where are you located now and who do ya play for...i lived in cardiff, wales for 10 months....loads of musicians in cardiff..

Quote from: LO_RIDER on July 18, 2006, 05:33:14 AM

In ministry, and I stress ministry, you don't or shouldn't do it just for the money or exposure. This isn't American Idol. I'd love to be paid to play at my church. I've been toiling at my church which is a church of pretty good means I haven't asked for or been offered a cent. It does get difficult at times to put gas in the tank and go to rehearsals and services but I do my best to remain faithful knowing that God will provide a way someway somehow. Right or wrong? To answer that we need to examine the motive of the individual

I have lived in Europe for years too.....I have always considered what I do to be to the glory of GOD

Can you pay someone to worship? David said "I will not offer anything to GOD that has not cost ME something"

My question is...

Is this a job?

Or a ministry?

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