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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2006, 11:26:31 AM »

To say that someone is not right, especially a Christian, for keeping the Sabbath day is in my opinion to make man for the Sabbath and not the Sabbath for man.


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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2006, 08:43:32 AM »
We are to worship Yahweh on the Sabbath day which is Saturday as he commanded us to, obedience is the key to eternal life

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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2006, 11:13:14 AM »
WHEW!

What a discussion.....By the amount of and length of responses, this post touched on a subject that is on our minds

How about this

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat , or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Hmmmmm -



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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2006, 03:25:18 PM »
WHEW!

What a discussion.....By the amount of and length of responses, this post touched on a subject that is on our minds

How about this

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat , or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Hmmmmm -



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as i sated earlier:

Now with Colossians 2:16.

We see paul addressing the church as to how they should stand against those that will mock them or talk them down.  In verse 16 he's saying don't let get you don't because they judge you due to the meat you eat, or the drink you drink, the holidays that you respect, or following the sabbath.

I'm not seeing here where he's saying "The sabbath doesn't matter."

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2006, 09:37:16 PM »
Good point
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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2006, 10:19:50 PM »
EVERYDAY!!!!!
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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2006, 11:09:21 PM »
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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2006, 11:45:24 PM »
AWWWWWW come on now

THIS is the day that the LORD hath made.....Let us rejoice and be glad in it!

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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2006, 04:40:34 AM »
Based on the responses and replies being given being given it would appear as if the question meant to ask which day is the sabbath or holy day and not so much which day is the right day to worship on.  We can worship on any given day! God is worthy to be praised on any day.

However, all references strongly evidence the 7th day sabbath. The sabbath is not only old testament seeing that Jesus himself kept the sabbath.

Luke 4:16  And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

If the sabbath was merely old testament then Jesus mission to show us how to keep the 10 commandment law would be nullified.

Matthew 5:17  ¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Some misinterpret this text to say that fulfil means to destroy. But think how foolish this would sound if Jesus said I came not to destroy the law but to destroy it. That's like saying I didn't come to this website to learn but to learn!

I'd like to also address Col 2:16.
Colossians 2:16  ¶Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. This was not refering to the 7th day sabbath. Notice the text says "sabbath days". In the old Israelite dispensation, there were many different kinds of sabbath days. This text was addressing those sabbath "days" and not the seventh day sabbath.

Hebrews 4 was not addressing an eternal rest. The text specifically said "day" which is singular.

4  For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5  And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6  Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7  Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8  For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10  For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Some would have us believe that Sunday is the sabbath day. However, note that verse 8 says if he had spoken of another day then he would speak of it. Finally, understand that from an historical perspective, the Roman Catholic church under Pope Constantine in 321 A.D made the official change from Saturday to Sunday.
We can worship, give thanks and praise, pray and give allegiance to God on any given day. But as Exodus 20 points out , the 7th day is the sabbath of the Lord, thy God. In it thou shalt do no work, thou nor thy son nor they daughter....

Mark 2:27 points out quite clearly, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

The sabbath and a woman were given to man at creation. Read Genesis chapters 1 and 2 for the reference.
Some believe the sabbath was given to the Jews. Fine, then were women made for the Jews only?  I think not. The sabbath is still binding and must be kept


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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2006, 01:24:23 AM »
This is my take in the law
If we believe on John 1 saying in the beginning was the word and the was God and the word was God and that same word was made flesh being Yahshua (Jesus), then the Word that Elohim spoke in the Old Testament would still be relevant in the New Testament because its showing us how to serve the father correctly in the flesh being therefore our example and leading us into A CLOSER walk with the Elohim.  What I am trying to say is God wouldn't contradict himself past, present or future.  For he makes statements like I am the Yahweh and I change not.... and Yahweh the same yesterday today and forevermore.

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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2006, 02:22:37 PM »
This is my take in the law
If we believe on John 1 saying in the beginning was the word and the was God and the word was God and that same word was made flesh being Yahshua (Jesus), then the Word that Elohim spoke in the Old Testament would still be relevant in the New Testament because its showing us how to serve the father correctly in the flesh being therefore our example and leading us into A CLOSER walk with the Elohim.  What I am trying to say is God wouldn't contradict himself past, present or future.  For he makes statements like I am the Yahweh and I change not.... and Yahweh the same yesterday today and forevermore.



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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2006, 02:42:44 AM »
     Very deep topic. I see alot of the information is scripture based, good; but has anyone considered that we may be looking at this the wrong way in the wrong context. Heb. 4: 4-10 is used alot here and i would like to ask that each of you reread it starting at verse 1 and going through to verse 13. to those who say that this passage of scripture isn't talking about a spritual, eterna, and literal rest you are mistaken.  God rested on the seventh day, not because he was tired, but to indicate the compleation of creation. the world was perfect, and God was satisfied with it. This rest is a foretaste of our eternal joy when creation will be renewed and restored, every mark of sin will be removed, and the world will be made perfect again. Our Sabbath-rest in Christ begins when we trust him to complete his good and perfect work in us. (also look at Heb.3:11) God had givin the Israelites the opportunity to enter Canaan, but they disobeyed and failed to enter (Numbers 13:14). Now God offers us the opportunity to enter his ultimate place of rest- he invites us to come to Christ. To enter his rest, you must believe that God has this relationship in mind for you; you must stop trying to create it( what day of rest should we observe.) Everyone has said that everyday is God's, if so then none is greater than the other if we are truly living for him with all our being. You must trust in Christ for this rest. God wants us to enter his rest. For the Israelites of Moses' time, this rest was the earthly rest to be found in the Promised Land. For Christians, it is peace with God now and eternal life on a new earth later.

     Ihave also found a mistake in ifiwereu's post. You state and write that Jesus said in Heb. 4:8 " for if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not afterward have spoken of another day". Hopefully this was a typeo, but the actual name in that passage of scripture is Joshua, not Jesus.

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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2006, 03:17:09 AM »
To continue, I ran out of space. We also seem to be missing the point that when Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it he was saying that he was trying to give us as well as show us the deeper understanding and meaning of the law. For instance one of the Ten Commandments says "you shall not commit adultery". If we just look at this as the Israelites, and religious leaders of Jesus' day did we miss the deeper meaning. Yes it is wrong to commit adultry, but as Jesus was trying to get the hearts and minds of the people right he said in Matt.5:28 "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart". to those just looking at the Ten Commandments from a literal, carnal standpoint miss the deeper meaning of them. To those who say when quoting scripture if we are guilty or lack in keeping one of the commandments we are guilty of them all, consider seriously what you say. There are more commandments given than just the "TEN" read all of Leviticus. So if you are determined to live under the law God will honor that but you must obey all the commandments( which I say is not very logical or smart, it's been tried before, and didn't work. That's why Jesus had to come.) but if you still want to live under it consider this, there is a command that i know without a shadow of a doubt none of us have observed. Under the law we are required to take animal sacarfices to the temple, now who has done or been doing that? (if you are lacking in one you are guilty of all) When Jesus said he was Lord of the sabbath he was saying I am Lord any and every day not just a particular day. God dosen't need a special day to be worshiped on this should be done evry moment of our lives. Meetings or assemblies done on a weekly basis is for fellowship and worship with our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. The best way to think of this is to really meditate on Jesus' final command "love one another as i have loved you so that men will know that you are truly mine". If we truly Love as Christ, then we will be livivg in his commandments; able to keep and fulfill them.

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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2006, 03:36:09 AM »
     Furthermore we must not forget the mighty God we serve. No man will ever be able to nullify God's word or order. Constantine may hav changed the day but only because God allowed it. Let's not get caught up on literal days. If so we stand to be journying into the same area as the sadducees and pharisees of Jesus' time buy making the law more important than why the law was given and hence missing it anyway. To God everyday is the sabbath when you are totally sold out to him, and just becuuse you go to a meeting on sat., or sun.,  your worship shouldn't be any different because we worship him each new day he gracefully gives us; be it mon, tue, wed, thur, fri, sat, or sun. Love one another in Christ, as Christ, and through Christ. So what you go to worship on sat., I go on sun., I love you all still. Do you believe in Christ as the Son of God, do you believe he died for your sins and rose again, do you believe he is coming again to recieve you unto himself; so you can be where he is? Then you are his child, and you are my brother; worship him in sprit and in truth on sat, on sun, and on every other day, because if this is what you believe then you truly love him and you are right with him. Love you all, your brother in Christ.  B   

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Re: which day is the right day to worship on?
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2006, 03:39:32 PM »
also another good point :-\
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