Topic: "Church Musicians" (Read 6413 times)

Lisaloo · « **on:** January 31, 2007, 03:50:45 PM »

Most of them that I've met have "Take over spirits". Most of them that I've met are hard headed and disrespctful to leadership! They think the church can't do nothing unless they're there, they try to make the choir their own personal singing group, and they want a huge paycheck for playing the organ once a week! I'm talking up to $300 or more a week for playing on a Sunday morning, thats crazy to me! If I had that gift I'd play for free!

I not saying that all musicians are that way, I'm speaking from my experiences and what I heard from others!

4hisglory · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:00:03 PM »

Quote from: Lisaloo on January 31, 2007, 03:50:45 PM

I not saying that all musicians are that way, I'm speaking from my experiences and what I heard from others!

If you were one of those musicians, you probably wouldn't be on this site.

iamworship2006 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:01:41 PM »

Lisaloo - Welcome to LGM

as with anything you have some good and some bad. Pray that God would work on them and with you. Matt 18:15-20 & I Peter 2: around the 10th v or so are some good places to help you know how to help them since it seems like you are irritated and offended by what you see from the musicians you have experienced.

Again welcome and blessings!!

Lisaloo · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:19:07 PM »

Thanks iamworship!

I not angry at them, I recognize that spirit and wonder why they allow it to drive them to such behavior. Where's the reverence and respect for those in authority?

drumz4life · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:24:20 PM »

Quote from: iamworship2006 on January 31, 2007, 04:01:41 PM

Lisaloo - Welcome to LGM

as with anything you have some good and some bad. Pray that God would work on them and with you. Matt 18:15-20 & I Peter 2: around the 10th v or so are some good places to help you know how to help them since it seems like you are irritated and offended by what you see from the musicians you have experienced.

Again welcome and blessings!!

Lisaloo- Welcome to LGM

I agree with iamworship2006 totally. I think you have met some of the bad apples in the bunch. Not all musicians are like that. Those scriptures that he gave you were are on point. I'm sorry you had to meet the bad ones first. Some musicians playing is all they do it's there source of income. Also just want to let you know there's always three sides to every story.

uriahsmusic · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:32:38 PM »

....They do what their Pastor allows!...........the good and the bad!......

Lisaloo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:36:41 PM »

whatever the story, there's no excuse for being disrespectful to your pastor and to your church whom you say you love!

iamworship2006 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:40:46 PM »

Quote from: Lisaloo on January 31, 2007, 04:36:41 PM

whatever the story, there's no excuse for being disrespectful to your pastor and to your church whom you say you love!

And....I mean this in love. The battle is not yours...It's the Lord's. All you can do is love them and pray for them. Honestly, WE can not even help you and your church with this issue except to pray. You are not alon so their are people praying just like you in your own church. God will turn it around when He gets good and ready. I've seen him do it!!

Lisaloo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:49:42 PM »

Quote from: uriahsmusic on January 31, 2007, 04:32:38 PM

....They do what their Pastor allows!...........the good and the bad!......

Pastor's are not suppose to make people do anything, It's up to the people to trust that their god sent leader knows whats best for them. It's up to them to follow!

I know iamworship, I've witnessed god turn situations like this around before too!

katstrat · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2007, 05:38:50 PM »

I can't see any church musician making that kind of money. If that's their job as a worship leader/musician,that's ok. But as a musician,that's just wrong to demand money. None of us are paid and only one has a title,the church pianist,that's her title. The rest of us are there to worship and play for God.

uriahsmusic · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2007, 05:43:32 PM »

Quote from: Lisaloo on January 31, 2007, 04:49:42 PM

Pastor's are not suppose to make people do anything, It's up to the people to trust that their god sent leader knows whats best for them. It's up to them to follow!

I know iamworship, I've witnessed god turn situations like this around before too!

...why do you think this?....the Pastor is the person in charge....the Pastor make folks do stuff all the time!....the pastor pays the musician and directs the people in positions how to conduct themselves....Pastors let musicians get away with stuff because they think they need them...need to fix that notion because in many churches the musicians arent even of the same faith!....some are of no faith at all...and dont want to be.....

Lisaloo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:03:21 PM »

the pastor is a spiritual leader but he and or she is still a human being. They don't have super hero powers to make people do anything. Where in the bible does it state that leaders are suppose to make people obey them? The people have to be submissive to their leaders!

csedwards2 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:09:22 PM »

<<<<<<<<<<<<<walks out of thread, because I like getting paid

Lisaloo · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:07:22 PM »

KevinP · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:43:54 PM »

Quote from: Lisaloo on January 31, 2007, 03:50:45 PM

If I had that gift I'd play for free!

So would I.

Come to think of it, I do!

Doubles22 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 01, 2007, 12:28:34 AM »

I don't mind if some musicians get paid for their services. Musicians have an added skill that many in most church music departments don't have. Now when they get a big head about it and act like Latrell Sprewell about it, I have a problem with it (I'll explain later). But $300 a week? Sole source of income? Maybe if there's a high workload to justify it. Like maybe you play for like all seven choirs at that church, write some of their songs, and spend four or five evenings a week at rehearsals. Other than that, here's a concept...GET A REAL JOB.

...just like that soprano in the second row that sings in three of the seven choirs, goes to rehearsal twice a week, and doesn't get paid for her vocal services.

...(in some cases) just like that pastor of a church so small that he can't live on that income alone either

"I don't like the salary cap. We need to make more money. I mean, I got kids to feed."
-Latrell Sprewell: NBA Basketball Player
(Dawg, you already make $15 million a year. What are YOUR kids eating? You shop at the same grocery store as the people making $30,000 a year.)

csedwards2 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 01, 2007, 01:07:49 AM »

well isnt Spre the one getting sued from his exgirl from another state. I think the girl is suing for a huge sum because she said there was rarely a month were the account had less than 100k in it. I think she's asking for 50mil or so. So really, he did have kids to feed.

jlewis · « **Reply #17 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:00:04 AM »

Well, according to the news report she wasn't just some girl. She was his common law wife.

She had 4 kids by him, and was the legal guardian of a 5th child who he had by somebody else.

She is suing him for 200million, and she will probably get most of it unless they settle out of court.

Now some of the comments she made leads you to believe she was focused on the money, but if she was taking of the household, the courts will consider that a job and pay her accordingly.

also, Spree was the one who left and moved to another state (according to the report). So basically he need to jump on the next 15 day contract that becomes available in the NBA, cuz the bruh is gonna have to pay....

jlewis

Doubles22 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 01, 2007, 04:08:34 AM »

Be that as it may with Spree and his wife/children...he screwed up in that regard and he has to handle his responsibility. However, that doesn't change the fact that a box of Kellogg's Froot Loops costs $2.15 whether you make $30K a year or $15M a year. I bet that even when, or if he pays up to the wife, he'll have plenty to live on. He won't be living like a $15M per year guy but he'll have enough to live on.

uriahsmusic · « **Reply #19 on:** February 01, 2007, 05:30:15 AM »

Quote from: Lisaloo on January 31, 2007, 06:03:21 PM

the pastor is a spiritual leader but he and or she is still a human being. They don't have super hero powers to make people do anything. Where in the bible does it state that leaders are suppose to make people obey them? The people have to be submissive to their leaders!

...We must go to different types of churches...I go to what they mostly call holiness type churches...and most recently a cogic church....In these churches there is the pastor ...his wife...maybe some deacons and misionaries....musicians...the congregation...and a janitor!...(and the janitor could be any of the previously mentioned)....THE PASTOR IS THE BOSS!...HE CAN AND DOES RULE AND WILL THROW YOU OUT WITH A SWIFTNESS NOT SEEN BEFORE!......No Super Hero Powers Required!....No board of directors to argue with.....Get it right...or go home!....we call it LEADERSHIP!.....

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