What do you do when the choir dont want to come out?

[karlmhoon]

What Do You do When the choir members dont want to come out but when it time to sing there they are? what do you do about this. as the Minister of Music

[LaylaMonroe]

"Come out" of where?

Come out of the choir/dressing room prior to service?  Come out to rehearsal?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but my boilerplate answer is that no choir director or MOM should tolerate any blatant disregard for the established rules.  And, it shouldn't matter whether the dissenters are a group of many, or just one individual.  Advise first, counsel second, then sit them down.  If that means there is a trio instead of a choir for a while, so be it.  Better an obedient, ministry-minded trio than an out-of-control anarchic choir.

From an administrator's perspective, I would have to advise you to confirm that the choir members are clear about what the rules and expectations are.  I believe choir members should be under contract, and that goes for all servants of the house.  You can't expect them to live up to standards that aren't clear to them.  If they think "coming out" is an option, and you haven't told them otherwise, then they're not technically breaking a rule.

Another perspective to consider is that if a whole group of people have issue with a certain rule/practice, it wouldn't hurt the MOM to give some consideration to their concerns.

(And if you can't make it to rehearsal, you can't make it to the choir stand).

[takuya]

"Come out" of where?

Come out of the choir/dressing room prior to service?  Come out to rehearsal?

Exactly what I was thinking...

[karlmhoon]

Come out to rehearsal. Im sorry I should had explained it more than I did.

you see we have choir rehearsal on sat night evening and some come some dont but the one the do come gets all out of rack

when the one the next to them dont come to rehearsal and when its time to sing on sunday morning wow there they are,

I cant just tell them to go back and sit down it would be rule dont you think?
there is some that dont pay choir dues, and the one that do paid dues gets upset cause they feel that they all pulling the load.
So this is why I ask that ?

[LaylaMonroe]

Come out to rehearsal. Im sorry I should had explained it more than I did.

you see we have choir rehearsal on sat night evening and some come some dont but the one the do come gets all out of rack

when the one the next to them dont come to rehearsal and when its time to sing on sunday morning wow there they are,

I cant just tell them to go back and sit down it would be rule dont you think?
there is some that dont pay choir dues, and the one that do paid dues gets upset cause they feel that they all pulling the load.
So this is why I ask that ?

1. You would eliminate your concern about whether it's rude if you had clear roles and expectations.You need to make it clear to the choir members that you expect them to attend rehearsal, and that if they do not attend rehearsal, they need not report to the choir stand because they will not be permitted to sing.  Possible ways to communicate your expectations are via contract, meeting, phone calls, or e-mail... I recommend the contract along with a meeting.

The contract should include what their role is, what you expect from them, financial obligations, and what the consequences are for failing to meet their expectations.  It need not be fancy, plain English is fine.  Just tell them, in writing, what you expect (attire, timeliness, cooperation, participation in rehearsals, service, and engagements, preparation, positive attitude, lifestyle becoming of holiness, etc.).

2. You may need to find out why they're not coming to rehearsal.  Saturday night seems like a sucky time to have a choir rehearsal.  Do they have concerns about how the rehearsal is conducted?  Is it too long?  Does it start on time?  Are the musicians learning the material during rehearsal?  Is there too much fluff?  Too much chit chat?

3. As for the dues, it could be that they are too high for some folks.  Could be that they just don't want to pay it.  Could be that they know they can get away with not paying.  Could be that they're resentful of being assessed dues.  I would have one-on-one conversations with them to ascertain why they're not paying, and what you could do to get them caught up.  And have you made it clear to them what is the purpose of these dues?

[vtguy84]

It's not about rudeness, it's about taking the ministry to the next level.

[karlmhoon]

3. As for the dues, (its not but five a month) and we have a bus ministery only a dollar a week + free will offering

it could be that they are too high for some folks.  ( $5.00 )

Could be that they just don't want to pay it.  yes

Could be that they know they can get away with not paying.  maybe I dont know

Could be that they're resentful of being assessed dues.  dont know

I would have one-on-one conversations with them to ascertain why they're not paying, Im doing this

and what you could do to get them caught up.  Im doing this too

And have you made it clear to them what is the purpose of these dues?
(Yes they are for the music parts choir
robes, Pastors anniversary etc... )
 
2. You may need to find out why they're not coming to rehearsal.
(I anouced it in service on sundays morning and wed night service.) 

Saturday night seems like a sucky time to have a choir rehearsal. 
I choose Sat nights cause in the day time everybody out doing there thing,
like shopping whatever and at the evening everyone should be home. dont get me wrong some come out but some dont.

Do they have concerns about how the rehearsal is conducted?  Is it too long? 
6 to 8pm is this too long?


Does it start on time?  yes

Are the musicians learning the material during rehearsal? 
I take the song to the musicians first

Is there too much fluff?  Too much chit chat?
sometime they want to talk about things thats is not of the choir but I stopped them.

[karlmhoon]

It's not about rudeness, it's about taking the ministry to the next level.

You Know Im going to pray and fast over this thing and hope that the lord wi;ll give me what to do with out letting self in control.
and you are right It's not about rudeness, it is about the ministry of God

[quintinab]

I was just sitting and reading your comments.  It seems to me as if you might need to sit some people down.  If your choir rehearsal time was agreed upon by your choir and whomever makes those decisions, then the members should govern themselves accordingly.  If no extra effort is made to make it to rehearsals then they shouldn't sing on Sunday morning.  Rehearsals is just as important as Sunday morning service and we shouldn't want to give God just anything.   We should give Him our best and how can we do that without preparation, how can we adequately prepare without them there.  My prayers are with you brother, I'm going with through the same thing choir members not showing up for rehearsal, showing up late on Sunday for Service.  I say sit down.  What kind of example is that setting, and it is just not right we all have other things we have to do.

[karlmhoon]

I was just sitting and reading your comments.  It seems to me as if you might need to sit some people down.  If your choir rehearsal time was agreed upon by your choir and whomever makes those decisions, then the members should govern themselves accordingly.  If no extra effort is made to make it to rehearsals then they shouldn't sing on Sunday morning.  Rehearsals is just as important as Sunday morning service and we shouldn't want to give God just anything.   We should give Him our best and how can we do that without preparation, how can we adequately prepare without them there.  My prayers are with you brother, I'm going with through the same thing choir members not showing up for rehearsal, showing up late on Sunday for Service.  I say sit down.  What kind of example is that setting, and it is just not right we all have other things we have to do.

You know Sister I was thinking the same way but when I do this it always seems like I beening to hard are something thanks for replying

[sjonathan02]

Sit. Folk. Down.

If that means that you have a choir of three, then give HIM praise. Folks not taking ministry seriously could be God's way of "sifting". 

If you're worried about people's feelings (especially those who aren't concerned about yours) you'll make yourself crazy.

[karlmhoon]

Sit. Folk. Down.

If that means that you have a choir of three, then give HIM praise. Folks not taking ministry seriously could be God's way of "sifting". 

If you're worried about people's feelings (especially those who aren't concerned about yours) you'll make yourself crazy.

You Know that this my trouble I worried about there feelings and I may let self step in. which not the thing to do.

[chosenandcalled]

well in my point of view what i think u should do is sit them down. have a meeting. tell them wuz up u are the choir director not them. the pastor put in this position to do a work in the choir and music ministry. no i don't think its rude to tell them to go sit down, because u da tha head not the tale. and everything will be alright just pray and think about it the good decisions u have made and how if u work together God will get the glory cuz after all its not us its about him.

[karlmhoon]

AMEN to this sister

[SisterT]

What Do You do When the choir members dont want to come out but when it time to sing there they are? what do you do about this. as the Minister of Music

This is what you do......



 

[KurzLand]

I cant just tell them to go back and sit down it would be rule dont you think?

  When your the MD, there is no such thing as being rude! It's called being professional!

(For some reason I forgot how to spell professional. Is that how you spell it?) 

[KurzLand]

This is what you do......



 

I expect this kind of behavior from "T_Keys" or "Keys410". You know them two being immature and stuff! LOL!

But not from you! What happened?



 

[SisterT]

I expect this kind of behavior from "T_Keys" or "Keys410". You know them two being immature and stuff! LOL!

But not from you! What happened?



 

After dude's story, I had flashbacks of my old choir!! LOL! 

[4hisglory]

Sit. Folk. Down.

If that means that you have a choir of three, then give HIM praise. Folks not taking ministry seriously could be God's way of "sifting". 

If you're worried about people's feelings (especially those who aren't concerned about yours) you'll make yourself crazy.

Yep.  To me, this is were the convo begins and ends.

[karlmhoon]

This is what you do......



 

Sister T LOL I laughed at your pic of tyler perry lol