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GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« on: December 21, 2007, 01:28:52 PM »
I WOULD  LIKE TO KNOW DOES ANYBODY HAVE I GUESS THEY ARE CALLED TRANSITION CHORDS. FOR EXAMPLE IF I', PLAYING A FAST SONG LIKE LORD I LIFT YOUR NAME ON HIGH IN F AND THE NEXT SONG IS SLOW AND THE KEY IS Ab WHAT CAN I PLAY TO MAKE THE TRANSITION SOUND NICE?

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 01:37:22 PM »
using the 4 chord over the 5th in the bass creates a great transition to any key, i think T-Block's said it a couple times before also....a little abrupt sometimes maybe but still effective...so for example you were in F so you can go to Ab by playing Db/Eb but if you really wanted to be smooth I would play this...

  Gm7 C7           Fm7 (instead of F major)  Bbm7 Db/Eb (here's that chord) Ab
  key of F      transition                          key of Ab

hope that helps!

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 11:24:55 AM »
i'm not understanding what you want me to play, it looks like a lot of things going on there.

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2007, 08:36:16 PM »
F to Ab is good because they are realtive keys.  Here are a couple of ways I would transition smoothly from F to Ab:

Way #1

F / A-C-F  (old key)
F / Ab-Db-F (this chord starts the modulation to Ab)
G / Bb-Eb-G
Ab / C-Eb-Ab (new key)

Way #2

F / A-C-F (old key)
Eb / Ab-Db-F (modulation chord)
Ab / Ab-C-Eb (new key)

Try both of those and tell me which one you like best.  You can always come up with your own, but those are 2 of countless possiblities you can use.
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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2007, 05:12:27 AM »


Part of what makes a transition effective,  lies in the time it takes to do it.  The first song is upbeat with a quicker tempo.  The second one is a slower tempo worship song.  Obviously, I'm gonna assume that you're going to be slowing down the last part of the song "Lord I lift Your Name on High" which is in the key of "F".
Don't be in a rush to leave that key just yet, allow the people to continue praising and declaring His goodness.

In that time of praise, I would be highlighting certain notes.  In this case, in would be the "F" and the "C" notes.  Here's why ...  In the transition, I'll be using a chord which contains these notes.  So although the chord and the key is now changing, there is a sound that can still be heard that is common to both the old and the new key, (that's why I like to use 11ths, and 13ths chords).
That makes for a smoother, flowing transition.

When you're ready to make the transition, here it is, short and sweet:

F C / F A C   Old key of "F"

Eb Bb Db / F Ab C (Eb13) Transition chord (Notice the "F" and "C" are still present)

Eb Bb  Db / Eb G Bb  (Eb7) 5th of new key, which is "Ab" (Notice that although the right hand notes have changed, the left hand notes are still the same.  This gives stability during the transition.)

Ab Eb Ab / C Eb  Ab (Ab)  New key

The top notes moving down,  ("C", "Bb", and "Ab"), allows the congregation to hear a definite yet subtle change in keys.
This is one way I might make the transition between songs, as T-Block mentioned, there are countless others.

I also believe that sometimes, just gradually slowing down and  coming to a stop, and not rushing, but allowing the people to worship Him before starting in the new key.  Now that also can be very effective.

I know it's kind of lengthy, but the object is to learn how to make transitions between songs, and not just these two songs.      Hope this helps you ....   God bless  :)   BroAllan

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2007, 02:35:26 PM »
BTW, (In addition to what I posted earlier), I basically spelled out the chords, (or a variation of the chords) that our brother "anointedfingaz" had mentioned in his post. 

The chord "Db / Eb", or "Db" chord played over an "Eb" bass note, is the "pivot" chord that ties the 2 keys together.

If you notice, the notes that I played for the "Eb13" chord, contain 3 of the chords that "anointedfingaz" mentioned.  I just played them all in one chord:

 "Eb13" = Eb Bb Db / F Ab C  (or, Eb Bb / Db F Ab C), if you look closely you'll  see the 3 chords ...

Eb Bb / Db F Ab C =   (contains your Bbm7 chord)

Eb Bb / Db F Ab C = (contains your Fm7 chord)

Eb Bb / Db F Ab C =  (contains your Db /Eb chord)

Again, this is just one of many ways to transition between songs.  While you are practicing, just try playing different chords and see what transitions you can come up with.

Some musicians can play in every key, and we all should strive for that, (right T-Block and Chevonee?), but by learning the art and technique of making smooth  flowing transitions, it will greatly increase your confidence and playing.

                        Merry Christmas,  God bless you .... BroAllan   :)

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2007, 11:48:59 PM »
Excellent posts T-Block & BroAllan 8) :o 8)

Perhaps U 2 (& others) can start a series on modulating...just posting all the different ways of modulating. 8)

I really want to start playing some complicated songs, but my main concern is the modualting 4 most of them..I know a couple the modulate more than once.

The topic can just be added on the sticky.

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 12:53:45 AM »
Excellent posts T-Block & BroAllan 8) :o 8)

Perhaps U 2 (& others) can start a series on modulating...just posting all the different ways of modulating. 8)

I really want to start playing some complicated songs, but my main concern is the modualting 4 most of them..I know a couple the modulate more than once.

The topic can just be added on the sticky.

Thanx :)

Thanks Musallio ... 

I think it's a great idea to have a topic strickly on "Modulating".
There are about 4 or 5 different ways that I use to modulate, and I would be glad to share them.  I would also be interested in learning how others do their modulation.  :)   BroAllan

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 01:02:13 AM »
Thanks Musallio ... 

I think it's a great idea to have a topic strickly on "Modulating".
There are about 4 or 5 different ways that I use to modulate, and I would be glad to share them.  I would also be interested in learning how others do their modulation.  :)   BroAllan
I agree with that BroAllan.....why don't you start the thread and let us chip in...lol ;)
I am not yet comfortable with modulation yet, I try my best to learn but its very hard for me to do it smoothly. So any help that you can provide is very much welcome and appreciated. I am working on what you and T-block posted now and I want more!! PLEASE!! Stay blessed!!
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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 01:17:06 AM »
I agree with that BroAllan.....why don't you start the thread and let us chip in...lol ;)
I am not yet comfortable with modulation yet, I try my best to learn but its very hard for me to do it smoothly. So any help that you can provide is very much welcome and appreciated. I am working on what you and T-block posted now and I want more!! PLEASE!! Stay blessed!!

Okay Chevonee,  it's on!!

What I'll do is take a couple of songs that actually have a modulation in them, and use them as examples.
I'll start with some easy ones first ...  :)

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2007, 01:28:03 AM »
Okay Chevonee,  it's on!!

What I'll do is take a couple of songs that actually have a modulation in them, and use them as examples.
I'll start with some easy ones first ...  :)
Hey those are fightin words...lOL  :D :D :D :D
Just kidding! But I am looking forward to that post because I am struggling to make smooth transitions for real. I learned that you can use the fifth of the chord that you're going to or maybe its the forth....see I'm confroosed... ?/? :D :D
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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2007, 05:22:23 AM »
Hey those are fightin words...lOL  :D :D :D :D
Just kidding! But I am looking forward to that post because I am struggling to make smooth transitions for real. I learned that you can use the fifth of the chord that you're going to or maybe its the forth....see I'm confroosed... ?/? :D :D

You're right Chevonee, about using the 5th of the new key.  That is probably one of the most effective ways to modulate.

How you get to that 5th chord is where it gets a little challenging sometimes.  This is where the knowledge of music theory, and plain old practice comes in.

In a nutshell, what I look for when modulating, is the common note(s) or chord(s) between the two keys, and whether it's a half-step, a whole-step, or several step, (more than 1 whole step), modulation.

What makes a whole step (ex. Db to Eb) modulation easier is the fact that you have many notes that are common, and several chords that are common to both keys.

Here's where you might be getting "confroosed":) ...

In a whole step modulation, the 5th of the old key, will always be the 4th of the new key.

That's why by playing the 5th of the new key in you left hand, with the 5th of the old key in your right hand,
you begin the modulation.  Then, when you play the 5th of the new key in both hands, it leads you to the 1 chord of the new key ...

Example:  Going from  the key of Db to Eb ...

Bb F / Ab C Eb      (5th of new key in LH ...  5th of old key in RH)

Bb F (Ab) / Bb D F   (5th of new key both hands) Bb7 chord (Playing the dominant 7th chord makes a stronger pull
                                                                                   to resolve to the #1 chord ...)


Eb Bb / Eb G Bb     Eb chord ...  New key

Hope this helps you ...    God bless  :)

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2007, 03:01:28 PM »
Good stuff BroAllan. Sorry I'm late to the post, but hey better late than never. I am really starting to understand modulation more. God bless you my friend. ;)
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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2007, 08:36:50 AM »
WOW, THANKS AND GOD BLESS

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Re: GOING FROM ONE SONG TO THE NEXT
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2007, 03:51:18 PM »
haahahaha :D
This topic is very interesting...
BroAllan's already on the warpath & started what he said he would..
He explained soooo well. 8)

It's great to have such ppl here...
I always here these owesome transitions & modulations from this 1 player from church, but he's never been able to explain to me...

With your help, now I think I can go & test all this theory when he's modulating or transitioning. 8)
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