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Offline 1stLady

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Chord Name Question
« on: September 21, 2004, 08:17:55 AM »
Is GbM7 the same chord as F#M7? Also can you please chord GbM7(b5) for me please.  I play by ear and don't really know chords.  I am seeing the importance of knowing them now though.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2004, 09:03:42 AM »
1stLady,

I'll try to answer your question.
 
As far as the name of the chord, I believe it depends on the scale you are using.  For example, if you are playing in the key of "G" major, then it will be called "F#M7"... but in the key of "Db" major, it will be called "GbM7".

Now, in terms of the sound...

If you are using the "F#" or "Gb" in the left hand bass, then the tonality of the chord isn't changing, and the context of how you are using the chord in a progression determines what purpose it truly serves.

"GbM7(b5)" is:   Gb  Bb  C  F     in the key of "Db" major, root   position.  

I'm sure, someone else will expand what I am saying, but I hope this helps.

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2004, 11:24:12 AM »
Thanks for your help.

The song that has these particular chords is in Ab.
The bass with this chord is  Eb.  Eb/GbM7(b5)

The song is "Falling in Love with Jesus".  I got the chords from Sister T's site.  I am trying to, without asking first, translate the chord names.  I have a book that helps me do this but Gb is not in there but F# is.  
Again, I appreciate your help!
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2004, 11:30:51 AM »
NOTES AND CHORDS CAN BE ENHARMONIC, OR SAME CHORD / NOTE: Db / C# = THE SAME, GbM7(b5) / F#M7(b5) = THE SAME IT'S DEPENDING ON THE KEY YOU'RE IN.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2004, 11:59:20 AM »
Thanks Hammondman,
The book that I have didn't have Gb(picture chord) so because the Gb key is the same as the F# key is figured that it might be the same.  It's awesome how a bass key can change the entire chord!
Appreciate all you do, all your input.  When I first joined this site I used to get upset with "Hammondman" because you didn't actually give the chords (confession is good for the soul, AMEN?) but I realize that not giving the chords was a greater help to me then being able to get the chords.  I'm willing to work for what I get.  I find that it sticks with you more that way.
Thanks & Continue to Be Blessed  
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2004, 12:14:02 PM »
1stLady,

In the key of "Ab" major:   Ab  Bb  C  Db  Eb  F  G     , "F#/Gb" (your chord key note) is not a member of the scale.  In my opinion then, the chord in question is probably a passing chord.  And since it is using an "Eb" bass, I would call it either a "GbM7+6", or an "F#M7+6".

I suppose you could call it by either name in this case, since, in the scale of "Ab" major, both "F" and "G" (the 6 and 7) are both natural.

Maybe someone further along than I can expand on this.

God Bless,
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2004, 02:04:41 PM »
Eggs,

If Eb is the 5th note in the Ab Major scale, then why do u use the GbM7+6 notation?  Wouldn't it be GbM7+5? (or add 5)?

just curious on your notation.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2004, 02:36:48 PM »
jarrell,

You are correct when you say that "Eb" is the fifth of the "Ab" major scale.  However, each individual chord is numbered from the scale of the keynote of that chord.  In other words, since we are playing "GbM7+6", we are playing the "6" of the "Gb" major scale, in this case, which is "Eb".  

In GENERAL, the scale you are in determines whether the triad is major, minor or diminshed.  The embellishments/extensions are determined by the scale of the particular chord you are playing at the moment.

This is why you can really play a different scale (melody) for every chord you play if you want to.

This is what I have learned so far.  I am no expert.  Perhaps someone else can take us a little deeper.

God bless, and HTH,
Eggs
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2004, 02:42:10 PM »
ahh.... makes sense.  I too am learning more and more theory.  I'm use to ear.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2004, 01:25:53 AM »
I got these chords from SisterT's Website.  To be homest I couldn't tell you the first thing about the notation of the chord, I just put down what I saw.   :?
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2004, 04:06:04 AM »
Actually the Eb bass note would make the chord an Eb minor 6 (add 9)  chord. The bass note affects the chord more than the chord affects the bass note. Some artists write out their chords the complex way, others use the simpler way using Eb/Gb... notation.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2004, 11:56:59 AM »
B3,

Don't you mean "Ebm7(add 9)" ?  
The "Db" would make it a seventh chord, while a "C natural" would make it an "Ebm6(add 9).

Right?


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GbMajor7b5
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2004, 12:43:32 AM »
I'm new here but I agree with  B3 wannabee. If the chord is a GbM7b5
over an Eb bass then the most proper name for it is Eb minor 6/9 .

from bass up  it is played  Eb -Gb-Bb-C-F

can you give me the address to sister ts site?
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Re: GbMajor7b5
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2004, 12:47:04 AM »
Quote from: triptyboy
I'm new here but I agree with  B3 wannabee. If the chord is a GbM7b5
over an Eb bass then the most proper name for it is Eb minor 6/9 .

from bass up  it is played  Eb -Gb-Bb-C-F

can you give me the address to sister ts site?


Here u go!
www.earnestandroline.com
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2004, 08:22:58 AM »
B3 and others,


I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten the initial "b5" in those last couple of posts.

I agree completely with the name "Ebm6(add 9)" or "Ebm6+9".

I'll be more careful from now on.

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2004, 09:30:55 AM »
LOL...no problem. everyone makes mistakes. especially if you read fast.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2004, 03:36:10 PM »
yes and Gbmin7(b5) is: Gb-A-C-E
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2004, 05:50:35 PM »
It looks like YAWL pretty much covered this subject. I had one comment that might be helpful to remember.  In the 6th post on this thread EGGS commented that this could be called a passing tone and therefore could be seen as either Gb or F#. Though this is true (sort of), the standard way to notate this in the key of  Ab is as a Gb chord. The notation rule here is that since it is a "flat key"(Ab)....all notations will be some kind of flat notation.
  The notation of F# would only be used in "sharp keys" (such as G, D, A, E, B, F# etc.)

Hope this is helpful in how we think about sharp versus flat in the future.
P.S, That is also the reason that the song in question calls this a Gb instead of the more common F#.

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2004, 09:00:44 PM »
Your right,  fredbart26753.   In a "sharp key", that 'half-diminished' chord is actually spelled: "F#-A-C-E"...  

but, in a flat key it would officially be spelled - believe it or not - as:

"Gb - B double flat - D double flat - Fb"   UGH!

I just find this kinda stufff fascinating!

All the best!
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