Oprah's new gospel

[uniquepraize]

Unfortunately Oprah is leading many of her follows a stray.  I just checked to see if they did what they said they were going to do on her XM satellite broadcast and they did.
Starting on January 1, 2008 they started a year long course on the New Age teaching of A Course in Miracles. 

This is a pretty good article:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/smith-oprah.htm

Min. Myron Jones a.k.a Uniquepraize

[themidiroom]

I think that without Jesus or the bible it's all just self-help. But the irony is that there's no help without him. I've been to churches where they are more talking about self-help and less about Jesus. It's that's watered down word so they won't offend anyone.

You're right, she is like a God to some people. Whatever she says goes. She has power which can be used for good or for ill. She does a lot of good with her power but if Jesus isn't a part of it it's just good, not God.

This is true and a lot of people don't really want the answers to lives problems, they just want to feel better.  Now granted, sometimes feeling better about a situation is the only thing you can do but most of the time we find ourselves in situations that we either put ourselves in or allowed them to happen.   Personally, I don't just want to feel better, I want to be better.

[under13]

Unfortunately Oprah is leading many of her follows a stray.  I just checked to see if they did what they said they were going to do on her XM satellite broadcast and they did.
Starting on January 1, 2008 they started a year long course on the New Age teaching of A Course in Miracles. 

This is a pretty good article:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/smith-oprah.htm

Min. Myron Jones a.k.a Uniquepraize

1. How you gonna talk 'bout miracles w/o talkin bout Jesus
2. Whats up with this 'new age' stuff. I always thought Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forevermore

[themidiroom]

1. How you gonna talk 'bout miracles w/o talkin bout Jesus
2. Whats up with this 'new age' stuff. I always thought Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forevermore

The new age Jesus doesn't care if you acknowledge him or not.  And the new age Jesus does change depending on how much pubilc outrage there is. 

[Fenix]

Its never a problem when someone mentions or prays to thier 'god', but when you mention the name of Jesus folks look at you like crazy.

Thats cuz his name is a stumbling block and a rock of offense to those who are unbelieving.

I read up on Ms. VanZant and found out that she was a Yoruba Priestess. She's on the "Spiritual" thing too. To be "SPIRITUAL" in the sense of the world doesn't mean anything. There are all of kinds of different spirits, good and bad.

You make and excellent point.

When i see things like that, i just think one thing...confusion. I also did a quick Google search and found out that she had led a hard life full of emotional and physical abuse fro her family and husband.

This is a classic story of a woman who, through evil that has happened in her life, has lost her sense of identity. She supposedly finds it in a way that is outside of God. Its so sad.

She is following a religion that is heavily steeped in the occult. The basic role of the priestess is to communicate with the gods through spirits.

What is sad about the Yoruba religion is that there is an overall God who has no form, no idol and is all loving and benevolent to us Humans. God has indeed left his mark with ALL of mankind even though we, as Romans 1 states, had decided to worship the creator rather than the created.

The enemy has hit us with the same old okey-doke over the centuries, making us believe that we cannot have access to God except through His creations. This is what Jesus came o destroy.

I will not be surprised if this woman is heavily into occultic things. She may smile and be humorous and funny and make people fell good about themselves, but what it boils down to is deception. She may not have known what she was getting into, but one cannot continue along that path without getting deeper and deeper into the occult.

Sadly this is what Oprah and many other talk show hosts are unwittingly and unknowingly exposing people to. 

[OleJ]

It was so good to see that again; I thoroughly enjoyed it the first time around, and it blessed me all over again!

I gotta say, though, I am STILL mad at Angela Bassett for looking THAT fly.... come on, now... she ain't had to do it like that... That thing is the very definition of a diva!!!!

I watched that the other day on YouTube. When "Shirley Seizure" came up and started singing along on "Changed", it was all over! Would've been nice to see more Tramaine too.

[Fingers!]

I comment fully later but the historical reference of tithes has been long left out in the modern church. I expounded on some of these truths in past threads but a brother gotta punch the clock but I promise to share some of the info later in the PM. Peace....

Don't forget to elaborate...

[LaylaMonroe]

I watched that the other day on YouTube. When "Shirley Seizure" came up and started singing along on "Changed", it was all over! Would've been nice to see more Tramaine too.

Being that Tramaine is on my Top 5 Female Vocalists list, I was very disappointed that they had her singing background vocals on the song that SHE made famous!  LOL!!!  I mean, no slight to Pastor Shirley - Lord knows I love her, but at least let Tramaine get a lick or two on it... geez... 

I just figured there was some contractual reason or something like that... 

[docjohn]

for a "lil lamb' you made some good points,ditto midi;people -we gotta PRAYYYY!!!! where's my MCHAMMER cd?

[Furious Styles]

I am a man of my word so I logged back on after work to expound more on the deception of "tithes" being a religious requirement in the church. Historically conquered nations paid a tribute of ten percent to their conquerors. Abraham instituted the tithe not God. Abraham which is the patriarch of Judaism paid a tenth of the spoils of a battle that rescued a relative.(I believe it was LOT found in the book of Genesis) Abraham declared that he didn't want any person to say that another man had made him rich and successful in battle. So Abraham gave a  tithe to Melchezidek. Years later Jacob promises GOD that he would tithe to GOD for revealing himself to him as he did his fathers... Notice it didn't say GOD required that. He made this vow to God because his fathers before him practiced tithing...  Many religious leaders have falsely labeled Melchezidek a type of Christ. The bible never calls him that. It only referred to him as a priest of the most High God. Notice it didn't mention Jehovah or Yahweh. Melchezidek is mentioned in the Quran too but we want go there...

Little lamb mentioned Luke 6:38. One must highlight the scripture in its entirety. The scripture highlights the system of men giving to each other. It never says that God would pay people who gave. It says that men would give into our bossoms when we give.. Jesus said that it is more blessed to give than to recieve. So where is the validity of giving to get? Jesus gave his life and not ten percent of it. The gentile Christians were defended by Paul for not following Jewish Custom!! Peter and the Jewish christian church wanted new gentile converts to observe all of the law of Moses and believe in Christ. It is written that he who attempts to keep the law is obligated to do so without making a mistake. Tithing was reintroduced after Constantine the emperor made Christianity the state religion. He appointed wicked Bishops who loved power, influence and money. Many of these men where scholars of the Hebrew customs... They misrepresented the tithe as currency thus creating the notion that the tithe was currency!!! THe early church had many people sell there houses, businesses and other valued possessions to further the cause of evangelism.... That more than ten percent. People selling all of their goods were not uncommon...

There is a distinct demonic assignment for people to take "biblical principles" and reintroduce them to a world that is ignorant of bible teaching. Oprah doesn't tithe in church but she's not cursed. You can bet your bottom dollar that on any given Sunday that certain leaders in the church will terrorize their members  with a polarizing doctrine bf being cursed if they don't tithe. Malachi 3 is one of the most misquoted scriptures in the bible. Preachers have substituted the grain, oxen and other perishiable goods a currency.(money) Why would God tell the jewish church to keep a storehouse full of money? Doesn't it make more sense to keep perishable items such as grain and farm animals? The priest and tithers were cursed because they gave animals that were sick to the store house. They were cheating the poor who would need those goods should the nation have to call upon those rations to survive.

The poor of the Hebrews didn't tithe!!!! Does the poor of our day have to tithe or risk being cursed? Most people think that they are in right fellowship with God only because they tithe!!! The same can be said about celeberties who run foundations that benefit many worthy causes around the world. No they don't tithe to a ministry but they are recognized as good people. The year of jubilee is when all of the poor of Isreal were released from debts they couldn't pay. This is where the bankruptcy laws get their roots. Notice how people who file bankruptcy have bad credit seven years!!! The difference in their system and the modern system is that the hebrew nation started you over and didn't keep pegged as a bad credit risk!!! Now the church as morphed into this self serving and self absorbed dying oraganism that touts the same spirituality religions mask as Christian principles. People are more concerned with their next dimension, destiny, purpose, and next level of "success". All of these things are connected. The church is in now moral position to bash many of these secular movements. Lord knows we been through ours... More on that later too..

I know that many will not except these references. L Ray Smith wrote a great commentary highlighting these bible truths. Wikipedia Melchezidek. Read the entire book of Genesis... You will not find a type of Christ language no where in there... Sorry for the long post but I must compensate for us not being able to expound upon ideas without the benefit of seeing each other in person... PEACE...

[under13]

You will NEVER hear that preached in church

[sjonathan02]

You will NEVER hear that preached in church

Caused it'd take WAAAY too long in ONE service. 

[LaylaMonroe]

As always, whether I agree or disagree, I applaud you for always doing your homework (and as TJ said, "your extra credit, too!")  LOL!!  I love the way you present your arguments, FS.  For real.

I love you for it, man, and my doily goes off to you... 

[SirTJ]

I am a man of my word so I logged back on after work to expound more on the deception of "tithes" being a religious requirement in the church. Historically conquered nations paid a tribute of ten percent to their conquerors. Abraham instituted the tithe not God. Abraham which is the patriarch of Judaism paid a tenth of the spoils of a battle that rescued a relative.(I believe it was LOT found in the book of Genesis) Abraham declared that he didn't want any person to say that another man had made him rich and successful in battle. So Abraham gave a  tithe to Melchezidek. Years later Jacob promises GOD that he would tithe to GOD for revealing himself to him as he did his fathers... Notice it didn't say GOD required that. He made this vow to God because his fathers before him practiced tithing...  Many religious leaders have falsely labeled Melchezidek a type of Christ. The bible never calls him that. It only referred to him as a priest of the most High God. Notice it didn't mention Jehovah or Yahweh. Melchezidek is mentioned in the Quran too but we want go there...

Little lamb mentioned Luke 6:38. One must highlight the scripture in its entirety. The scripture highlights the system of men giving to each other. It never says that God would pay people who gave. It says that men would give into our bossoms when we give.. Jesus said that it is more blessed to give than to recieve. So where is the validity of giving to get? Jesus gave his life and not ten percent of it. The gentile Christians were defended by Paul for not following Jewish Custom!! Peter and the Jewish christian church wanted new gentile converts to observe all of the law of Moses and believe in Christ. It is written that he who attempts to keep the law is obligated to do so without making a mistake. Tithing was reintroduced after Constantine the emperor made Christianity the state religion. He appointed wicked Bishops who loved power, influence and money. Many of these men where scholars of the Hebrew customs... They misrepresented the tithe as currency thus creating the notion that the tithe was currency!!! THe early church had many people sell there houses, businesses and other valued possessions to further the cause of evangelism.... That more than ten percent. People selling all of their goods were not uncommon...

There is a distinct demonic assignment for people to take "biblical principles" and reintroduce them to a world that is ignorant of bible teaching. Oprah doesn't tithe in church but she's not cursed. You can bet your bottom dollar that on any given Sunday that certain leaders in the church will terrorize their members  with a polarizing doctrine bf being cursed if they don't tithe. Malachi 3 is one of the most misquoted scriptures in the bible. Preachers have substituted the grain, oxen and other perishiable goods a currency.(money) Why would God tell the jewish church to keep a storehouse full of money? Doesn't it make more sense to keep perishable items such as grain and farm animals? The priest and tithers were cursed because they gave animals that were sick to the store house. They were cheating the poor who would need those goods should the nation have to call upon those rations to survive.

The poor of the Hebrews didn't tithe!!!! Does the poor of our day have to tithe or risk being cursed? Most people think that they are in right fellowship with God only because they tithe!!! The same can be said about celeberties who run foundations that benefit many worthy causes around the world. No they don't tithe to a ministry but they are recognized as good people. The year of jubilee is when all of the poor of Isreal were released from debts they couldn't pay. This is where the bankruptcy laws get their roots. Notice how people who file bankruptcy have bad credit seven years!!! The difference in their system and the modern system is that the hebrew nation started you over and didn't keep pegged as a bad credit risk!!! Now the church as morphed into this self serving and self absorbed dying oraganism that touts the same spirituality religions mask as Christian principles. People are more concerned with their next dimension, destiny, purpose, and next level of "success". All of these things are connected. The church is in now moral position to bash many of these secular movements. Lord knows we been through ours... More on that later too..

I know that many will not except these references. L Ray Smith wrote a great commentary highlighting these bible truths. Wikipedia Melchezidek. Read the entire book of Genesis... You will not find a type of Christ language no where in there... Sorry for the long post but I must compensate for us not being able to expound upon ideas without the benefit of seeing each other in person... PEACE...

That was very enlightening and well worth the read. Hopefully people don't miss out because they deem it too long. You are very knowledgeable and I commend you for that.

[Furious Styles]

Larue,

What is a doily?

[THE WOLFMAN]

I love you for it, man, and my doily goes off to you... 

troof...

Larue,

What is a doily?

what Mother Jenkins makes the girls wear when they forget the "prayer caps". they're usually on coffe tables...

[LaylaMonroe]

Larue,

What is a doily?

Yep.  What the Wolfman said...

It's just a silly way of saying "my hat's off to you," or kudos!

[musiqisme26]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA

[Musiqsoul]

Lets Kill all this once and for all, we know that Jesus said in John 14:6
"I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life, no one cometh unto the Father but by Me"

Very simple, not saying Christianity is a religion but no other Guru, religions, factions or whatever makes this claim, its like they all wanna be buddy buddy with each other claiming there are different ways to God, (Its funny, but notice how the majority of them do acknowlege a higher power..hmmm?) The only one they seem to question is the JESUS WAY, it is not a coincidence that Jesus use the WAY, the TRUTH, then LIFE, in that order, simply put, If the way aint Jesus and living Jesus's way then you aint gettin to heaven point blank, without the the path to truth, you cant have truth, with out the truth, or acknowleging the truth as we do when we get saved the there's no life eternally, thats why He said "straight is the way and narrow is the path" because He knew that it would be difficult for many to accept even though its so simple, Paul said it too, in 1st Cor Chapter 1 verse 27 (using the simple thing to confound the wise)

So in a nut shell we as Christians should pray for these people, and hope they come to the way which would point them to the truth which would give them life...see...we need to stop pacifying people, if its wrong its wrong.

[uriahsmusic]

...Oprah is no less confused than some of us!....The problem is not that she is confused....It is where she goes in search of the answer!....