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Offline Bruh Kell

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #120 on: March 24, 2008, 01:50:27 PM »
I think it is pretty chavenistic to say that a man looks weak when he submits to the authority of a woman. If Hillary wins the election is Bill less than a man? The problem is as I stated earlier is tradition. Someone else mentioned this as well. Jesus died to destroy the traditions of men. WE can't say we have limits on liberty. It is the equivalent of saying black folks should be free and not having voting rights... We all know how that turned out. Selective freedom didn't cut it then and it doesn't cut it now. WOMEN are qualified for the job of leadership if they desire it..... Husband of one wife can also be looked upon as wife of one husband... The theology of Adam was made first doesn't hold up. Esau was born first but Jacob tricked his way to the birthright!!!.

Does that mean that it is right to trick your way into position to find favor with God? Does that mean being born first automatically qualify us for special privileges in life. In the culture of the Jews at that times maybe but doesn't that theology contradict the new covenant? Salvation justified by faith is the only requisite in the kingdom of GOD.... Now the kingdom of man's theology is another subject....

Well I think it would be chavenistic to say such a thing.........bit I said it just looked that way! And I'm not going to deny that I thought this dude really looked.......ya kno (I can't s'plain it)

Also you have to kinda look at the situation the way it is too. I didn't see this guy do anything 'cep them announcements............

Not the offerin' prayer.....
Not the music ministry.....
Not Testimony Service.....
Didn't even pray us out.....

In hindsight, I think if a woman is the pastor and her husband isn't spiritually connected enough to do anything but the announcements after the sermon that implies a lot about what's prob'ly goin' on at home.

Now that I think of it......he kinda looked like Frederick Douglas. That prob'ly adds to it since we look up to Frederick Douglas as an early civil rights leader (strong, firm, assertive, real).
So with this dude looking like Frederick Douglas he was doin' the announcements, and over and over again he kept sayin' the pastors whole name.
(x an' so services for daddaddadda will be ......... and Betty R. Hendricks an' such an' such........Betty R. Hendricks this an' Betty R. Hendricks that.) Not once do I remember him saying "MY WIFE". And to me he came off like a drone or somethin' with little to no mind of his own.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #121 on: March 24, 2008, 01:51:01 PM »
Last time I checked adultery happens alot also. ;)

So are you saying you don't think it's better for male pastors to have wives?

Yes....adultery does happen
Well I still think its better for
a pastor to be married...
So when his flesh begins to rise,
He has a WIFE to take care of things...
Rather than a woman. ;)
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #122 on: March 24, 2008, 01:55:42 PM »
Well I think it would be chavenistic to say such a thing.........bit I said it just looked that way! And I'm not going to deny that I thought this dude really looked.......ya kno (I can't s'plain it)

Also you have to kinda look at the situation the way it is too. I didn't see this guy do anything 'cep them announcements............

Not the offerin' prayer.....
Not the music ministry.....
Not Testimony Service.....
Didn't even pray us out.....

In hindsight, I think if a woman is the pastor and her husband isn't spiritually connected enough to do anything but the announcements after the sermon that implies a lot about what's prob'ly goin' on at home.

Now that I think of it......he kinda looked like Frederick Douglas. That prob'ly adds to it since we look up to Frederick Douglas as an early civil rights leader (strong, firm, assertive, real).
So with this dude looking like Frederick Douglas he was doin' the announcements, and over and over again he kept sayin' the pastors whole name.
(x an' so services for daddaddadda will be ......... and Betty R. Hendricks an' such an' such........Betty R. Hendricks this an' Betty R. Hendricks that.) Not once do I remember him saying "MY WIFE". And to me he came off like a drone or somethin' with little to no mind of his own.
That is a huge implication, would you say the same if the genders were reversed?

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #123 on: March 24, 2008, 01:55:44 PM »
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #124 on: March 24, 2008, 02:08:13 PM »
Too much of an opportunity to yield to the strong desires of the flesh, for one.
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 lol. fleshly desires do not stop because you are married. I don't care how many twirls and spins your mate can do.

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #125 on: March 24, 2008, 02:11:45 PM »
That is a huge implication, would you say the same if the genders were reversed?

You know..........it's only because the man looked weak!!!!!

And if the roles were reversed...........well lemme splain

hypothetical scenario #1
a. The guy is the pastor (but he appears weak)
b. His wife is the announcements clerk (but she appears stronger in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This brutha comes off kinda weak!

hypothetical scenario #2
a. The sista is the pastor (but she appears weak)
b. Her husband is the announcements clerk (and he's strong in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This sista comes off kinda weak!

I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I said the guy came off kinda weak 'cause he came off kinda weak!!!

Simple answer............if the roles were reversed I would've thought the same thing if the guy came off weak!
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #126 on: March 24, 2008, 02:13:20 PM »
Well let's not start acting like we don't know that one way to curb those desires is to get married... do they go away?  DUHHHH!!!  Of course not.  :-\  

But Paul did have a reason to say "if they cannot contain, let them marry for it is better to marry than to burn."

Come on, folks... let's not split hairs, here...  :-\
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #127 on: March 24, 2008, 02:17:41 PM »
Well let's not start acting like we don't know that one way to curb those desires is to get married... do they go away?  DUHHHH!!!  Of course not.  :-\ 

But Paul did have a reason to say "if they cannot contain, let them marry for it is better to marry than to burn."

Come on, folks... let's not split hairs, here...  :-\

I highly suggest you preach it.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #128 on: March 24, 2008, 02:18:16 PM »
(MEN ARE BC WEAK and need to step back up)

I disagree with this statement somewhat. From what I have observed, some brothers are not there because they are in prison, some are not there because they are working, and some male leaders will back a woman before they will back a man.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #129 on: March 24, 2008, 02:23:50 PM »
I disagree with this statement somewhat. From what I have observed, some brothers are not there because they are in prison, some are not there because they are working, and some male leaders will back a woman before they will back a man.

I meant that women are becoming the heads of the family, women are the ones bringing home  the the MAJORITY bacon and still have to maintain the home while most men out there losing to drugs and gangs. from  my observation in SC

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #130 on: March 24, 2008, 02:26:38 PM »
I highly suggest you preach it.

You don't know how good I laughed at you when I seen this..........

In other words <with Motha Robinsons shout face> TELL IT!
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #131 on: March 24, 2008, 02:28:45 PM »
Last time I checked adultery happens alot also. ;)

Last time I checked, sin/temptation is EVERYWHERE. ;)

But, as the lady so eloquently stated:

Well let's not start acting like we don't know that one way to curb those desires is to get married... do they go away?  DUHHHH!!!  Of course not.  :-\ 

But Paul did have a reason to say "if they cannot contain, let them marry for it is better to marry than to burn."

Come on, folks... let's not split hairs, here...  :-\


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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #132 on: March 24, 2008, 02:30:18 PM »
You know..........it's only because the man looked weak!!!!!

And if the roles were reversed...........well lemme splain

hypothetical scenario #1
a. The guy is the pastor (but he appears weak)
b. His wife is the announcements clerk (but she appears stronger in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This brutha comes off kinda weak!

hypothetical scenario #2
a. The sista is the pastor (but she appears weak)
b. Her husband is the announcements clerk (and he's strong in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This sista comes off kinda weak!

I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I said the guy came off kinda weak 'cause he came off kinda weak!!!

Simple answer............if the roles were reversed I would've thought the same thing if the guy came off weak!
I meant if I as the pastor preached & my wife did the announcements

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #133 on: March 24, 2008, 02:32:23 PM »
You know..........it's only because the man looked weak!!!!!

And if the roles were reversed...........well lemme splain

hypothetical scenario #1
a. The guy is the pastor (but he appears weak)
b. His wife is the announcements clerk (but she appears stronger in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This brutha comes off kinda weak!

hypothetical scenario #2
a. The sista is the pastor (but she appears weak)
b. Her husband is the announcements clerk (and he's strong in the Lord)
MY THOUGHTS: This sista comes off kinda weak!

I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I said the guy came off kinda weak 'cause he came off kinda weak!!!

Simple answer............if the roles were reversed I would've thought the same thing if the guy came off weak!

So then, what does the "appearance" of weakness have to do with whether or not a woman should be a pastor of a church? ?/?
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #134 on: March 24, 2008, 02:32:24 PM »
Well let's not start acting like we don't know that one way to curb those desires is to get married... do they go away?  DUHHHH!!!  Of course not.  :-\ 

But Paul did have a reason to say "if they cannot contain, let them marry for it is better to marry than to burn."

Come on, folks... let's not split hairs, here...  :-\
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #135 on: March 24, 2008, 02:38:10 PM »
I know I am late in the game, but I am going to add my 1 1/2 cents to this discussion. 

I too don't feel that women should be pastors. Sis T. explained my stand very well so I will not repeat what she and others have stated. 

I do want to address the notion of "CO-Pastors".   I know that many of you will not agree, but I believe that anything with two heads is a monster.  There is ONE head (JEsus Christ) of the Church not two.  Our local bodies should mirror this.  I just don't see a Co-pastor position represented in the Bible.  I used to wonder the origin of the "Co-Pastor and think to myself: I wonder if that is some kind of compromise? I have yet to get a clear reason for having Co-Pastors.  Again this is my opinion, and if I am wrong point me to the scripture that refutes my belief and I will admit my wrong.

I believe the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God and the final authority for all things.  I believe that we need to pray for the Holy Spirit to give us correct interpretation of God's word.  I'll be the first to admit when I am wrong on the way I see things, because I want to be remembered for having strong convictions yet also being teachable.

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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #136 on: March 24, 2008, 02:40:40 PM »
I know I am late in the game, but I am going to add my 1 1/2 cents to this discussion. 

I too don't feel that women should be pastors. Sis T. explained my stand very well so I will not repeat what she and others have stated. 

I do want to address the notion of "CO-Pastors".   I know that many of you will not agree, but I believe that anything with two heads is a monster.  There is ONE head (JEsus Christ) of the Church not two.  Our local bodies should mirror this.  I just don't see a Co-pastor position represented in the Bible.  I used to wonder the origin of the "Co-Pastor and think to myself: I wonder if that is some kind of compromise? I have yet to get a clear reason for having Co-Pastors.  Again this is my opinion, and if I am wrong point me to the scripture that refutes my belief and I will admit my wrong.

I believe the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God and the final authority for all things.  I believe that we need to pray for the Holy Spirit to give us correct interpretation of God's word.  I'll be the first to admit when I am wrong on the way I see things, because I want to be remembered for having strong convictions yet also being teachable.

I love that, and I totally cosign.

Very well said, sis.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #137 on: March 24, 2008, 02:48:51 PM »
I know I am late in the game, but I am going to add my 1 1/2 cents to this discussion. 

I too don't feel that women should be pastors. Sis T. explained my stand very well so I will not repeat what she and others have stated. 

I do want to address the notion of "CO-Pastors".   I know that many of you will not agree, but I believe that anything with two heads is a monster.  There is ONE head (JEsus Christ) of the Church not two.  Our local bodies should mirror this.  I just don't see a Co-pastor position represented in the Bible.  I used to wonder the origin of the "Co-Pastor and think to myself: I wonder if that is some kind of compromise? I have yet to get a clear reason for having Co-Pastors.  Again this is my opinion, and if I am wrong point me to the scripture that refutes my belief and I will admit my wrong.

I believe the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God and the final authority for all things.  I believe that we need to pray for the Holy Spirit to give us correct interpretation of God's word.  I'll be the first to admit when I am wrong on the way I see things, because I want to be remembered for having strong convictions yet also being teachable.
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #138 on: March 24, 2008, 02:55:32 PM »
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Re: Women Preachers
« Reply #139 on: March 24, 2008, 02:57:10 PM »
I know I am late in the game, but I am going to add my 1 1/2 cents to this discussion. 

I too don't feel that women should be pastors. Sis T. explained my stand very well so I will not repeat what she and others have stated. 

I do want to address the notion of "CO-Pastors".   I know that many of you will not agree, but I believe that anything with two heads is a monster.  There is ONE head (JEsus Christ) of the Church not two.  Our local bodies should mirror this.  I just don't see a Co-pastor position represented in the Bible.  I used to wonder the origin of the "Co-Pastor and think to myself: I wonder if that is some kind of compromise? I have yet to get a clear reason for having Co-Pastors.  Again this is my opinion, and if I am wrong point me to the scripture that refutes my belief and I will admit my wrong.



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