Topic: What is wrong today? (Read 11173 times)

dkmusic22 · « **on:** October 15, 2004, 02:47:15 PM »

Why do you think we have so many homosexual playing interuments and singing in the church :? . I know the pastors be knowing but yet they still let them play :? . I went to this one church and the organtis was gay. The pastors both knew that he was still gay. Well to make a long story short, the guy ends up raping a little 9 year old boy :x

:cry: . He is in jail now. But I belive that if the pastor pray the devil out of him that ,that would not have happen. God can do anything but fail. So let me know your though on it.
P.S. Pray for me as I pray for you.

:wink:
God Bless.

COGIC4EVA · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2004, 08:40:35 PM »

I strongly believe that homosexuality should not be tolerated any where especially the church. The word of god is the most important thing in the church and the music is 2nd. It plays a huge part in the church and God doesnt want for sin to enter in any kindof way. I know a guy who Ive played the drums for who was gay and he did what you have to do: fast and pray for deliverance. And I believe that god delivered him. So if he could do it for him, he can do it for anybody!

trulyblessed · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2004, 01:17:50 PM »

If God has blessed you with a gift or talent you should use it for his glory. Homosexuality IS NOT of God. This is just the same as liars, cheaters, people of witch craft and manipulation etc. If we strip the offices of the church from sinners or saints with flaws the church would be empty. There is no one perfect and I believe your deliverance can come through praises whether it be singing, playing an instrument or what have you. God works in mysterious ways. Let us remember that there is none perfect but the Father. It is our goal to be just like him. When Jesus was walking the Earth,as a physical man, He didnt turn the lost and unsaved away. He embraced them. That is what we must do, and teach them the ways of Holiness. So many times I see people being turned away from churches because they have thorns in their flesh that are looked down upon than others. If you look in churches today there are fornicators in the choir adulters in the pulpit. Liars in the pews, and gossipers at the door. It is time for God's people to be real. We need to extend open arms to those who are bound in ungodly ways. That Homosexual could be delivered through playing for God. You never know what God has planned. He can move when, where, and how He wants to. God Bless!!

bandaddie · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2004, 08:54:15 PM »

What would you say if the question had been;

Should a practicing sinner be permitted to hold a leader's or servant's position in church? Can a practicing sinner be called SAVED? What did John say about this? What did Paul say? Didn't Jesus command, "Go and sin no more." name a sin; stealing, adultry, lying, hate, blaspheming God's word. go ahead, name whatever is in your heart.

A practicing or unrepentant sinner has no business being up there, speaking, teaching, playing music, singing, what ever. The New Testiment is very clear on this. No matter what YOU may think, it is clear, a practicing homosexual is an unrepentant sinner. Don't bother arguing with me. Just try to argue with God's word.

1stLady · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2004, 10:17:10 PM »

I would rather have just a couple of holy-ghost filled believer's than 100 unsaved trying to operate as a Christian. This thing about nobody's perfect is nothing more than an excuse for people to stay in their mess. And for that matter are we not to be striving for perfection. Yes I know that Jesus Christ was the only perfect man who ever walked the face of this earth, but if I confess that Jesus Christ lives in me what does that make me. The flesh is what is imperfect, the Bible says that if we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. I said all of that to say this; If a person is not on the up and up, rather sure nough saved and living for the Lord whole-heartedly, they should not be holding any kind of office in the church. In the old testament there were certain ones set apart for the sole purpose of cleaning the temple. Any and everybody don't need to be doing whatever they want to do in the house of God. Spirits are real and they will and do transfer. Please Saints of God don't be deceived.
God Bless
Min. Chavon Washington

newgreaterlover · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2004, 10:41:51 AM »

well the title of this thread was What is wrong today?
What i think is wrong today Now this is just what I think.
I think we have this problem because of the Lack of Prayer in the churches. when you look at the Old Church and the old mothers the believed in the Power of Prayer. I mean they Prayed until they prayed out of them selves prayed until they were ugly.
Im not saying that there still wont be a lil mess in the church but Prayer will help alot of the Mess to end.

On this homosexual thing. Is it alrght to let a gay musician play.
my answer NO.
now this doesn't mean turn your back on them because of there situation. they need encouragement to seek god and deliverance but they do not need to be Playing in any service. they are not the only ines who are platying in the service and need to be sat down. this one musician Whom the Music departmen paid Has children all over the Sacramento. but that aint stopping him from playing. alot of time we don't know the lifestyle a person is living out side of Church. I know people in the church who you would never have expected to be Gay But when i got to know them i found out some things that really distubed my spirit.
i know people who I would have never expected to be a liar but
when i got to know them...
so.
now that i think about it I am off the subject of the original post. lol
the question was Why do you think we have so many homosexual playing intsruments and singing in the church?
i anwered that but i got off subject toward the end. well i done wrote too much to be deleting so
I'll Holla

Be blessed
Much Love

1stLady · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2004, 11:29:48 AM »

Come to think about it, new greater love, I really didn't answer the original question either: What is wrong with today?
I agree with you, the Bible says that some things only come by fasting and praying. In the "old church", it wasn't that homosexuality wasn't around the older saints wouldn't allow it. If they couldn't physically do anything about it they knew that God could and the most important thing is that they knew how to get in touch with Him. We have pretty much stopped praying. We have become a microwave, drive-thru church and feel like we need to talk to the Lord only when we have a desperate need for something or when we get in trouble. God is not pleased!! Also, I agree with you on the fact that we can't just turn our back on the homosexual. For that matter we can't turn our back on the liar, cheater, backbitter, etc. They are sick and need a physician.(Just the ones Jesus came to set free). Well we know that He is no longer here in the flesh, but yet He Is. And if we don't show Godly Character toward them at ALL times they will never be introduced to the only one that can change their situations and lifestyles. Gotta Go. Be Blessed
Min. Chavon
"HATE THE SIN, LOVE THE SINNER"

newgreaterlover · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2004, 11:37:31 AM »

amen 1st Lady

drummerboy25 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2004, 11:58:44 AM »

NO! NO! NO!
they need to 1st repent of their sins and get cleaned up b4 doing anything 4 God. otherwise we'd make a mockery of the gospel by allowing such an abomination to take place in God's house. the problem 2day is that the church has no standards. we let peolpe do what they want and say what they want and still have them thinking their saved. i could care less about how well some1 plays if u're not living right because any1 that has a position in church when their in the forefront has 2 be held accountable 4 their actions. God sees and hears all! churches 2day are so worried about increasing membership that we've gotten away 4rm the true, unchanging word of God.

jcismine · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2004, 12:18:00 PM »

OMG I Couldn't have said it better Myself

1stLady · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2004, 12:25:16 PM »

Amen drummerboy25, todays church has to realize that God does have a standard and He is not going to meet us at our standard we have to meet Him at his. His standard is Holiness, and Holiness IS NOT A DENOMINATION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Without it, we shall NOT see God. That's the Word!!!!!!!!

drummerboy25 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2004, 10:29:00 AM »

Amen to that 1st Lady.

it's just sad that most people think otherwise.???

BBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2004, 11:12:36 AM »

I think so many people think otherwise because the Church sometimes won't deal with this issue. They see homosexuals who are "nice people" very gifted and talented. So sometimes people are willing to compromise standards so they can have the best musician or singer in the area, or be friends with someone who is influencial politically and is gay. SOmetimes we don't want to be seen as close-minded or behind the times. I know it sounds silly, but some people tussle with those issues!

We can't let ourselves be bribed, folks. If we have no music, then we make music with our hands and feet. You are right, homosexuals should not be used in public worship service. If it means that we are called ignorant or bigoted, then we should remember Jesus was called much worse than that!

We have let go of standards, and it is getting scary. I recently saw a book out that was entitled . . . well, I won't say the title because I don't want LGM to get sued, but it was completely satanic. I was flabbergasted that this was on public TV! We just need to cry for a discernment and for courage to live out what we know is right.

Be Blessed . . .

BBoy

JoyCH · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2004, 11:56:09 AM »

Amen and amen. You guys are hitting it right were it hurts, in the gutt. There are too many compromises in the "church" period. 1st Lady I couldn't agree with you more, I would rather be around 10 folks that are right than 100 folks just making noise. Sit down until you have been redeemed. Get it right. As long as they are allowed to live this lifestyle and play they're going to continue to do so. God wants us to be real. And I also believe Moses would not have wrote Gen. 19.

Prov. 3:32 says God hates a perverse lifestyle. So why are we tolerating it in the church? Like Bboy said, we can clap our hands and stomp our feet instead of compromising the church.

Joy

dcweats · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2004, 12:29:54 PM »

First, I believe homosexuality/lesbianism is wrong, goes against The Word of God and, by its definition, is an abomination.

In short, I am totally against homosexuality

That being said.

Quote from: bandaddie

What would you say if the question had been;

Should a practicing sinner be permitted to hold a leader's or servant's position in church?

To answer that question, I would have to ask to define the term "practicing sinner"

Again, I am totally against homosexuality

Quote from: bandaddie

A practicing or unrepentant sinner has no business being up there, ....... playing music, singing, what ever.

Thats an Interesting statement, becuase the Bible the I was looking at says..

"Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! 4 Praise him with timbrel and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! 5 Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! 6 Let EVERYTHING THAT BREATHES praise the LORD! Praise the LORD! "

Again, I am totally against homosexuality

Quote from: drummerboy25

NO! NO! NO!
they need to 1st repent of their sins and get cleaned up b4 doing anything 4 God. otherwise we'd make a mockery of the gospel by allowing such an abomination to take place in God's house. the problem 2day is that the church has no standards. we let peolpe do what they want and say what they want and still have them thinking their saved.

Again very intersting that we must get ourselfves "cleaned up" before we can do anything for God. Maybe I just need to get a better understanding as to how one would get themself "cleaned up". I didnt think I could clean myself up. I thought that was the work of God to do and his process for doing that is just that---His process.

Again, I am totally against homosexuality

I guess Im having trouble defrentiating (sp) gays from drug dealers, spouse cheaters, friday nite drunks or your nice, gifted voice, sweet to everyone fornicating, habitual liar. Maybe some people can easily seperate one from the other because one is more visible.

Again, I am totally against homosexuality but Im also against any other form of unrighteous acts. So, if there is no respect of person, would it not make sense to treat all the same?
Either embrace all of them fully; or,
cast them out fully?

Whichever you decide to do, make it apply across the board and not just to those who are more visible with thier sins.

Just at thought, and again, I am totally against homosexuality.

DCW

essence01 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 26, 2004, 04:22:43 PM »

the only reason i'm not sure is because i know that the just as well as the unjust have gifts. furthermore, God knows all and sees all. in this case we choose to sit the homosexual down...but what about the musician that commits adultery in his heart with the women and men of God...or the one that sneaks a drink or a smoke when no one is looking. is it fair that the we sit the one with the open sin down, and not the other? besides, we all should work out our own soul salvation and pray for that brother or sister that they may be delivered through the music they play. i'm going to read the other replies...maybe i'll come across something insightful in this situation.

JoyCH · « **Reply #16 on:** November 26, 2004, 08:50:44 PM »

I would have to differ -

James 2:9- says, "But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin and are convinced of the law of transgression. For who-soever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, also said do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Also, no one came clean up themselves, only God can do that. The word of God also tells us that you can sit under the word of God and wax cold. Meaning, turn over to a rebubate state of mind. You won't even see yourself (after awhile) as a sinner. That is why, someone would have to sit you down until the Lord (by the showing of your fruits) has redeemed you.

Joy

1stLady · « **Reply #17 on:** November 27, 2004, 12:12:34 AM »

essence01,
With all respect, I have to disagree with you. First of all, the unjust do not have gifts they have talent. And they cannot and will not be delivered from the music that they play because whatever spirit they are harboring at the time that they are playing that same spirit will be released through their music.

and to dcweats,
You quited the scripture in Psalms that says let everything that hath breath praise the Lord. I am not trying to start a whole nother issue here but If I may share with you something that God shared with me.
As a Praise and Worship leader as well as Minister of Music and Minister of the Gospel, I began to ask God why is it so hard to get people to Praise You when your word says to let everything that hath breath praise You. He said to me, "What is breath?" He took me back to Genesis. God created Adam then he formed him out of the dust of the earth. Adam did not become a living soul until God Breathed the Breath of Life into him. The Breath that God breathed into Adam was His Spirit. There are a lot of people, even "church folk" that are walking around DEAD BECAUSE THEY LACK THE SPIRIT OF GOD. This is why everybody cannot praise Him.
What is so sad though is the fact that we continue to allow the sinner to believe that when they come to church and leave out of the church in the same state that they came in, that they have pleased God just because they came to church. The devil is tricky and cunning, Please Saints of God don't fall into his trap.
Minister Chavon

dcweats · « **Reply #18 on:** November 27, 2004, 01:52:24 PM »

Quote from: 1stLady

essence01,
With all respect, I have to disagree with you. First of all, the unjust do not have gifts they have talent. And they cannot and will not be delivered from the music that they play because whatever spirit they are harboring at the time that they are playing that same spirit will be released through their music.

and to dcweats,
You quited the scripture in Psalms that says let everything that hath breath praise the Lord. I am not trying to start a whole nother issue here but If I may share with you something that God shared with me.
As a Praise and Worship leader as well as Minister of Music and Minister of the Gospel, I began to ask God why is it so hard to get people to Praise You when your word says to let everything that hath breath praise You. He said to me, "What is breath?" He took me back to Genesis. God created Adam then he formed him out of the dust of the earth. Adam did not become a living soul until God Breathed the Breath of Life into him. The Breath that God breathed into Adam was His Spirit. There are a lot of people, even "church folk" that are walking around DEAD BECAUSE THEY LACK THE SPIRIT OF GOD. This is why everybody cannot praise Him.
What is so sad though is the fact that we continue to allow the sinner to believe that when they come to church and leave out of the church in the same state that they came in, that they have pleased God just because they came to church. The devil is tricky and cunning, Please Saints of God don't fall into his trap.
Minister Chavon

Hi Minister Chavon.

I am not totally sure that I have an accurate understanding of what you are saying so, before I comment, I thought I would just ask for clarification.

Are you saying that God broke it down to you this way?

The word "Breath" could mean "His Spirit" and therefore when Psalms reads 'let everthing that has breath praise the Lord" that might mean everyone who has the Spirit of the Lord down inside them" and not necessarily everything that is breathing or that is living?

Is this kind of what you are saying?

1stLady · « **Reply #19 on:** November 27, 2004, 01:59:42 PM »

dcweats,
yes this is what I meant and I really appreciate you for seeking clarification before jumping the gun. I have had a few that really didn't understand what I was trying to say rather they refused to understand the point, not that everyone has to agree but the fact that you are willing to hear what somene else has to share.
Mini. Chavon

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