Gospel is Gospel NOT JAZZ ETC

[themidiroom]

Well I'm not a fan of gospel rap by any means but if you're a hiphop head and you hear a gospel rap song, it might be what you need to hear to reach your soul.  It's not for me to say what will reach a person. 

[diverse379]

did anyone know that one of the original meanings of jazz

is to have wild orgasmic copulations

[themidiroom]

did anyone know that one of the original meanings of jazz

is to have wild orgasmic copulations

You're going to get this thread shut down talking like that.

[under13]

did anyone know that one of the original meanings of jazz

is to have wild orgasmic copulations

Watch your language!!!

[T-Block]

did anyone know that one of the original meanings of jazz

is to have wild orgasmic copulations

                                  

[diverse379]

                                 

ok I used the word copulation which is a proper word for the act

but I thought it helpful for the purpose of education to understand where the root of this term jazz comes from

before we get all mighty and high about defending jazz music lets understand where it comes from

the term the words all that

we all know that what the devil meant for evil God can make good

if I offended anyone i'm sorry but the truth is the truth''


look it up

[THE WOLFMAN]

did anyone know that one of the original meanings of jazz

is to have wild orgasmic copulations

If my history is correct, i think the waaay back term was "Jass" (i.e. "the original dixieland Jass Band")

[themidiroom]

If my history is correct, i think the waaay back term was "Jass" (i.e. "the original dixieland Jass Band")

I've also heard that Rock and Roll was originally a direct reference to sex

[diverse379]

If my history is correct, i think the waaay back term was "Jass" (i.e. "the original dixieland Jass Band")

your history is partly correct

I am serious look it up in the dictionary you will see that reference I am talking about

the name jazz jass was used to describe the music
but why was that word used??
because of its reference to the act of #&*
the music was supposed to be similar to the act

knowing our complete history is important if we are going to minister in song properly

you will never hear me argue jazz should be in the church
for this reason not that I am against the chords or the rhythmn or the theory or the melodies

but jazz is not gospel it is the opposite
but again God can make what the devil meant for evil turn out good

Do I use jazz theories in my arrangements of course I do
so I am not against the music form

but understanding the root term of the word helps you not step in mess

[T-Block]

Dang D, u have just ruined jazz for me.  Thanks a lot!!!     Just kidding, I'll pretend I don't know the history behind it.

[THE WOLFMAN]

Well....i did tell my wife that playing in a band was better than sex.........

[diverse379]

just so you know i am not making this up

this came from wyclopedia


The association of jazz with sex is early and extensive. The Historical Dictionary of American Slang (1997) cites explicit sexual meanings from 1918 and says that this was probably the original sense. However, it now seems difficult to reconcile a prior, widely recognized sexual meaning of jazz with the known word history described above. Professor Gerald Cohen of Missouri University of Science and Technology, who has done a great deal of work on the word's history, in 2001 offered a $100 reward for any provable musical or sexual use of jazz from before 1913, an offer that still stands.

Vet Boswell of the Boswell Sisters said she remembered when "jazz" was not a word fit to be uttered in polite company. Ray Lopez of Tom Brown's 1915 band recalled he and his fellow musicians assumed that the word "jass" or "jazz" was too improper to be printed in newspapers so they looked in a dictionary for similar words like "jade"; rediscovered newspaper advertisements from the era for Brown's "Jad Band" or "Jab Band" are suggestive of confirmation of this account

[themidiroom]

just so you know i am not making this up

this came from wyclopedia


The association of jazz with sex is early and extensive. The Historical Dictionary of American Slang (1997) cites explicit sexual meanings from 1918 and says that this was probably the original sense.

So this means there's something wrong with playing jazz?  Jazz was a slang term for sex 90 years ago but does that hold any significance today?

[diverse379]

So this means there's something wrong with playing jazz?  Jazz was a slang term for sex 90 years ago but does that hold any significance today?

good point but did you read all of my response

if not I will repeat it for your edification

I brought up the point because when we argue to have jazz then we need to be aware of its history and what we are asking

I do still study jazz so why would I say it has no place in the church

what I believe is that if we know the history we may be a little more aware
that we need to take extra measure to bring to God whatever is holy
if jazz the word originally means or has

I study jazz theory and I apply much of what I learn in the church
but I do remain careful to realize that a lot of jazz artists were drug addicted and sex and drugs were a big part of the jazz scene when the music was being created.

so I dont look at it as bringing jazz to the church or the arrangements

but some of its harmonic and melodic concepts and principles

[musallio]

Wow!!

Anyway, I'll continue to study jazz..
Just not for ...pleasure

[diverse379]

Wow!!

Anyway, I'll continue to study jazz..
Just not for ...pleasure

please everyone dont take it like that

I am not bashing jazz as an art form
I am not advocating that we burn jazz books
or stop listening to art tatum

I believe we can learn from everything

it is just that when we talk about worship praise music
hymns gospels etc

that is what they are sacred songs

when we talk about jazz it is what it is
and was meant to do what it was meant to do


when you are looking to mix just be mindful of what you are really looking to do

if you make sure God is in it I am sure it will be fine



it is up to discretion and musical maturity

we need to also stop and take a look at the lifestyles of our artists in and especially outside of the church

I am about to go to GMWA

and I have heard stories

my point is this

just because everyone else says it is alright to do something doesent make it so

narrow is the path that leads to heaven
few shall tread on it

wide is the path that leads to damnation many shall walk on it


be true to God and to yourself

and then you should never have guilt in any musical style you select

[musallio]

please everyone dont take it like that

I am not bashing jazz as an art form
I am not advocating that we burn jazz books
or stop listening to art tatum

I believe we can learn from everything

it is just that when we talk about worship praise music
hymns gospels etc

that is what they are sacred songs

when we talk about jazz it is what it is
and was meant to do what it was meant to do


when you are looking to mix just be mindful of what you are really looking to do

if you make sure God is in it I am sure it will be fine



it is up to discretion and musical maturity

we need to also stop and take a look at the lifestyles of our artists in and especially outside of the church

I am about to go to GMWA

and I have heard stories

my point is this

just because everyone else says it is alright to do something doesent make it so

narrow is the path that leads to heaven
few shall tread on it

wide is the path that leads to damnation many shall walk on it


be true to God and to yourself

and then you should never have guilt in any musical style you select

Gotcha well sir

[seemunny]

please everyone dont take it like that

I am not advocating that we burn jazz books

I wholeheartedly concur!

It's only the Polka books that needs to be burned!

All you bible scholars out there, help me out.

Ain't it written in the Old Testament somewhere, when God said something to the effect of:

"Thy Lord hath created the world, and all that it is. There is no thing that thy Lord did not create, except Polka".

Am i right?

[musallio]

I wholeheartedly concur!

It's only the Polka books that needs to be burned!

All you bible scholars out there, help me out.

Ain't it written in the Old Testament somewhere, when God said something to the effect of:

"Thy Lord hath created the world, and all that it is. There is no thing that thy Lord did not create, except Polka".

Am i right?

[seemunny]

Oh my! I just hope that's the holy ghost! lol