1x12 + 2x10 = 4x10???

[Bullitt]

Lately I've been playing ALOT more and it looks like things are going to stay that way (thank you Jesus!!!) lol...

BUT...I'm getting tired of lugging my ~100lb 4x10 cab around everywhere so I'm thinking about selling the 4x10 and getting a neo 1x12.  Most of the churches we play at have PA support so I could just use the 1x12 as a personal moniitor and also go through the system if needed.  For the places that don't have PA, I could just bring my 2x10 as well.

In theory all of this *sounds* like a good idea but I often wonder if

a)  the 1x12 will be loud enough for me to hear myself (usually play with an organ, keys, & drums)
and
b)  The 1x12 + 2x10 will be able to kick out as much sound as the 4x10


Can anyone offer any advice?


Be Blessed,
J

[DWBass]

That is my main setup and it's plenty loud. I've also used each separately and for what I've used them for, they are plenty loud by themselves. I also have a 92lb. 4x10 that I'll use only during certain situations. It's decent but I hate the weight and it only fits in my back seat and not the trunk. It's a pain lifting it to get it in the back seat!

[dhagler]

I leave my 4 x 10 at church and take my Fender Bassman 100 to other churches.  Then again, my venues are probably much smaller.

[Main5playah]

Lately I've been playing ALOT more and it looks like things are going to stay that way (thank you Jesus!!!) lol...

BUT...I'm getting tired of lugging my ~100lb 4x10 cab around everywhere so I'm thinking about selling the 4x10 and getting a neo 1x12.  Most of the churches we play at have PA support so I could just use the 1x12 as a personal moniitor and also go through the system if needed.  For the places that don't have PA, I could just bring my 2x10 as well.

In theory all of this *sounds* like a good idea but I often wonder if

a)  the 1x12 will be loud enough for me to hear myself (usually play with an organ, keys, & drums)
and
b)  The 1x12 + 2x10 will be able to kick out as much sound as the 4x10


Can anyone offer any advice?


Be Blessed,
J

If you know that the acoustics of the church and the sound system of the church are decent then I'm with you, but if the sound system is muddy your going to sound like, well you know. Even though my Ampeg 610 is a bit cumbersome I usually get my exercise on because I know the quality of the sound it will produce in any venue or sanctuary.

[MikeGee]

ever thought about a lighter 4x10. avatars 4x10 is 65lbs. Hartkes Transporter 4x10 is 65lbs. That cab is not common in gospel music that I know of but it is still an option.

[hands5]

 Right now I'm using 1 single Aguilar 12 and a Genz Benz 6.0 shuttle and it's sounds good,however I will say that the GB 6.0 shuttle is an aquired taste,but it's a breeze to transport

[Bullitt]

Right now I'm using 1 single Aguilar 12 and a Genz Benz 6.0 shuttle and it's sounds good,however I will say that the GB 6.0 shuttle is an aquired taste,but it's a breeze to transport

Hmm, God must be trying to tell me something....I have an Aguilar GS112 coming in today and have been researching the GB 6.0 lately for larger gigs. I like the specs on the amp but wasn't sure whether to make a move in that direction or not.

I absolutely love the tonal clarity that I get with my Eden WT330 but it doesn't provide enough "umph" at 8 ohms for me in some situations.  I've just been using my 2x10 & PA support lately and it works great, just need more headroom for larger auditoriums/sanctuary's where space for a cab may be limiited. 

I'm sure that sounds weird but here's an example;  last week we were ministering/playing in a large, open room at a college campus....the catch is that all the musicians were crammed into a small pit behind stage.  Drums, B3 organ & leslie, 88 Key Motif, how the heck am I supposed to get my 4x10 down there? LOL

Anyways, I may get a chance to play through the 112 this weekend so we'll see if it can handle itself lol.


Stay Blessed,
J

[floaded27]

I'm sure that sounds weird but here's an example;  last week we were ministering/playing in a large, open room at a college campus....the catch is that all the musicians were crammed into a small pit behind stage.  Drums, B3 organ & leslie, 88 Key Motif, how the heck am I supposed to get my 4x10 down there? LOL

oh tell me about it. there's always space available for everyone else, except the bass player. unless the church already has a bass player and provisions for him have already been made. if its not finding a space for my stuff its finding a space for my stuff near an outlet so i can plug up. The best head and cab config in the world is USELESS without an outlet for power. so either i gotta sit across the room like i just got into a fight with the rest of the musicians or im practically sittin in the audience while my equipment sits with the rest of the band. Thank God for the 25 foot monster cable....i guess. And haulin my 4x10 isnt an option. churches i play at dont have the space, and its bad enough with my 2x8 i still gotta walk up the middle aisle like im all important cause even that wont fit up the side aisle. im also considering other cab options, the problem is i cant afford to dish out more money for a secondary head as well.

[DESQ]

oh tell me about it. there's always space available for everyone else, except the bass player. unless the church already has a bass player and provisions for him have already been made. if its not finding a space for my stuff its finding a space for my stuff near an outlet so i can plug up. The best head and cab config in the world is USELESS without an outlet for power. so either i gotta sit across the room like i just got into a fight with the rest of the musicians or im practically sittin in the audience while my equipment sits with the rest of the band. Thank God for the 25 foot monster cable....i guess. And haulin my 4x10 isnt an option. churches i play at dont have the space, and its bad enough with my 2x8 i still gotta walk up the middle aisle like im all important cause even that wont fit up the side aisle. im also considering other cab options, the problem is i cant afford to dish out more money for a secondary head as well.

BUT...I'm getting tired of lugging my ~100lb 4x10 cab around everywhere so I'm thinking about selling the 4x10 and getting a neo 1x12.  Most of the churches we play at have PA support so I could just use the 1x12 as a personal moniitor and also go through the system if needed.  For the places that don't have PA, I could just bring my 2x10 as well.

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Somebody please change these guys' diapers and give them a bottle of formula.  Stop being a bunch of girly men. This is the bass playas room.  MAN UP!!!!  We hold up the foundation.  We're like the Marines, expendable but necessary!!!!  Imagine what our forefathers of bassdom had to go through.  No equipment to suit their various needs.  Had to lug around an AMPEG monster or use some sissy guitar amp that would either distort your sound or blowup. 

Floaded, ain't you from the City...man up dude.  you actin' like you from the Midwest or California.  If it ain't ROUGH, it ain't RIGHT!!!!!  Carry that 4X10 on your back if you have to.

Bullitt change your name to "bb pellett"  You hold the bottom, you acting like a keyboardist who plays the pretty chords and needs everything to be just right like Goldilocks or they'll have a nervous breakdown

Tell the drummer to move some of his cymbals and gear so you have a place to put your cab or put your cab on top of the leslie whatever you need to do!!!!  Heck, put it on the organ stool if you have to

!!!Be MacGyver. Carry an 100-ft power extension cord and some three prong to two prong adaptors.  That's what BASSPLAYAS do-by any means necessary!!!!

[floaded27]

im gonna take that as a joke. but seriously. since when is being a man falling down 2 flights of train station stairs with a 4x10 cab fallin on top  of you? now me AND my stuff is broke up. and the old dudes may have had to carry heavy stuff into a venue, but i doubt they had to carry it across town by themselves at midnight in one of the most dangerous cities out there. you mixin up being a man with being stupid.

one thing to remember, wherever you play you do want to be invited back. you dont wanna be breakin up other people stuff. what if someone came to your church and busted up your equipment, leaving you to repair damages. That "whole muscle your way in" routine isnt how i like to operate, because i do want people to look forward to me coming back, not anxious to get me the heck outta there.

[Bullitt]

Floaded, ain't you from the City...man up dude.  you actin' like you from the Midwest or California.  If it ain't ROUGH, it ain't RIGHT!!!!!  Carry that 4X10 on your back if you have to.

Bullitt change your name to "bb pellett"  You hold the bottom, you acting like a keyboardist who plays the pretty chords and needs everything to be just right like Goldilocks or they'll have a nervous breakdown

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Lemme guess, "I can do all things through Christ who STRENGTHENS me" was talking about the bass players who lug their 4x10 and 8x10 cabs everywhere, right? 

lol, I get what you're saying but I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder (when possible).  I drive a mustang and it's only by the grace of God that I'm able to fit that monster 4x10 cab into the car.  I didn't think it would be such an issue when I first bought it but boy was I wrong LOL!!!  And you can forget about having anyone ride with me unless they're going to hang on to the roof....

oh tell me about it. there's always space available for everyone else, except the bass player. unless the church already has a bass player and provisions for him have already been made. if its not finding a space for my stuff its finding a space for my stuff near an outlet so i can plug up. The best head and cab config in the world is USELESS without an outlet for power. so either i gotta sit across the room like i just got into a fight with the rest of the musicians or im practically sittin in the audience while my equipment sits with the rest of the band. Thank God for the 25 foot monster cable....i guess. And haulin my 4x10 isnt an option. churches i play at dont have the space, and its bad enough with my 2x8 i still gotta walk up the middle aisle like im all important cause even that wont fit up the side aisle. im also considering other cab options, the problem is i cant afford to dish out more money for a secondary head as well.

haha, sounds like you've experience ALOT of the same troubles I have.  FWIW, my Aguilar GS112 came in yesterday and I played through it for a little while.  This little cab sounds GREAT!  Can it handle holding down the low end by itself?  No....at least not in my opinion.  A second cab would definitely be needed for anything other than a small acoutic gig or practice...I know you said money is tight but with 2 of these cabs all your problems would be solved.

I also tried hooking up the 112 and my 210.....Oh dear sweet Jesus I've seen the light!!!!  IMO this combination sounded absolutely AMAZING.  My 4x10 cab is definitely going on the auction block now lol.  In a nutshell:

112 + 210:
+Better tonal clarity
+more power/volume (due to coming two 8 ohm cabs)
+uses less space than 4x10
+still less weight than larger cab
+easier for me to transport
-Neither cab could be effectively used as a stand alone in louder situations IMO


4x10:
+convient if you have a dedicated space for it
+has more "potential" (hooking up one/both of the other cabs with this one would make a MONSTER RIG)
-HEAVY
-size makes it difficult to transport

[jeremyr]

Bullit,

What kind of 2x10 do you have?

[Bullitt]

Bullit,

What kind of 2x10 do you have?

It's an avatar 2x10 Neo.  I originally planned to use it for the highs but I keep getting alot of noise with the tweeter turned up at any level (this does not happen when I use the 112 for highs, weird eh?).  Physically, the box for the 112 is smaller so right now it's sitting on top of the avatar cab.


Be Blessed,
J

[floaded27]

haha, sounds like you've experience ALOT of the same troubles I have.  FWIW, my Aguilar GS112 came in yesterday and I played through it for a little while.  This little cab sounds GREAT!  Can it handle holding down the low end by itself?  No....at least not in my opinion.  A second cab would definitely be needed for anything other than a small acoutic gig or practice...I know you said money is tight but with 2 of these cabs all your problems would be solved.

i totally feel that. i like my 4x10 and thats stationary at my church so its not going anywhere. but the 2x10 + 1x12 rig is still a bit too much for me to handle by myself on public transportation. 2 separate pieces may not be the best option for a quick and easy carry up and down several flights of stairs. if i did have a car most of the problems wouldnt even be an issue, but i dont so they are. the avatar 2x10 may be my best option right now (unless jeremy comin up off of that schroeder. i dont mind hand-me-downs. lol)

[Bullitt]

i totally feel that. i like my 4x10 and thats stationary at my church so its not going anywhere. but the 2x10 + 1x12 rig is still a bit too much for me to handle by myself on public transportation. 2 separate pieces may not be the best option for a quick and easy carry up and down several flights of stairs. if i did have a car most of the problems wouldnt even be an issue, but i dont so they are. the avatar 2x10 may be my best option right now (unless jeremy comin up off of that schroeder. i dont mind hand-me-downs. lol)

True, keep in mind that both of these cabs weight around 40-something pounds and if I had to lug either around on public transport, it would be the 112 since it's smaller, lighter and seems to be just as loud (if not louder) than the 210.  Either way, if you decide to go with a single cab (be it 112, 210, or whatever) you could try elevating the cab while you play.  That could be a good way to project your sound a bit further....


Be Blessed,
J

[DWBass]

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  waah waah waah 

Somebody please change these guys' diapers and give them a bottle of formula.  Stop being a bunch of girly men. This is the bass playas room.  MAN UP!!!!  We hold up the foundation.  We're like the Marines, expendable but necessary!!!!  Imagine what our forefathers of bassdom had to go through.  No equipment to suit their various needs.  Had to lug around an AMPEG monster or use some sissy guitar amp that would either distort your sound or blowup. 

Floaded, ain't you from the City...man up dude.  you actin' like you from the Midwest or California.  If it ain't ROUGH, it ain't RIGHT!!!!!  Carry that 4X10 on your back if you have to.

Bullitt change your name to "bb pellett"  You hold the bottom, you acting like a keyboardist who plays the pretty chords and needs everything to be just right like Goldilocks or they'll have a nervous breakdown

Tell the drummer to move some of his cymbals and gear so you have a place to put your cab or put your cab on top of the leslie whatever you need to do!!!!  Heck, put it on the organ stool if you have to

!!!Be MacGyver. Carry an 100-ft power extension cord and some three prong to two prong adaptors.  That's what BASSPLAYAS do-by any means necessary!!!!

Uhhh......once you get your first hernia, get back to me! I bought my 92lb. GK 4x10 off a Craigslist ad and I'm sorry I did! I didn't need it nor have I used it more than once. Probably gonna sell it locally for cheap just to get rid of it!

[dhagler]

My Aguilar 410 stays at church.  If I have to go to another church and they don't have a rig, I take my Fender Bassman 100 combo.  Yes, I said combo.  I have put wheels on it and it lives in the back of my SUV.  Yes, I said SUV.  I considered getting a 112 or a 210 but then I would have to bring my GK Head home with me every Sunday.  Having the combo gives me options for those spur-of-the-moment engagements.  I realize I sacrifice tone for convenience but it works for me.

[jeremyr]

my Schroeder 1210R blows MOST 410's out of the water.

Not to mention it's small and relatively light weight (48lbs I think).

[Torch7]

Uhhh......once you get your first hernia, get back to me! I bought my 92lb. GK 4x10 off a Craigslist ad and I'm sorry I did! I didn't need it nor have I used it more than once. Probably gonna sell it locally for cheap just to get rid of it!

I feel you pain DW... My 2X10 80+ lbs.   Yes... I said 2X10 when I first got it and had to carry it up 3 flights of stairs I thought I was gonna faint...
Needless to say that bad boy stays stationary unless there is no other way around it.  It was given to me so I count it a tremendous blessing, and won't complain... LOL!

[jmain]

Yeah, I?m feeling all those aches and pains that the old folks used to talk about. 

Most the time I can get away with just using my Epifani PS112 for practice or stage volume.  (We?ll be going all IEMs after they figure out the board and the drummer?s electric kit comes in ? the dude is HEAVY handed.)

If I need more, my UL-310 (gotta love the used market) will give a lot of 4x10s a run and weighs 47lbs.

jeremyr, I gotta try one of those 1210L cabs!