Explain this progression please

[Fenix]

I've been tring to get my mind round this progression.

LH/RH- 4/4 time with each chord taking up 4 beats

F C F/ G Ab Bb Eb

Ab Eb/ Gb Bb C F

D A D/ Gb C E Ab- passing chord 2 beats (This is a Big Boy chord, be careful) 

Db Ab Db/ F Ab Bb Eb

C G C/ E Ab Bb Eb

F C F/ Ebmaj

1) What key is this in? (looks like Eb)

2) What is that passing tone chord? It looks like a D9 b5 chord but i am not sure.

[sjonathan02]

In what song is this progression?

The progression might be in Ab (6-1-4-3-6)

I believe you're right about the passing chord.

[Fenix]

Here is a Youtube link. I think you are right about it being in Ab.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5Tepy5ZFw

In fact what is that C chord?

[sjonathan02]

Here is a Youtube link. I think you are right about it being in Ab.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5Tepy5ZFw

In fact what is that C chord?

It's a C7 #9#5

[Fenix]

It's a C7 #9#5

You just gave me a very important piece of the puzzle, it is definitely in Ab then.

I am ashamed i did not know that chord. I.Learnt.Nothing.From.GK200.

[sjonathan02]

You just gave me a very important piece of the puzzle, it is definitely in Ab then.

I am ashamed i did not know that chord. I.Learnt.Nothing.From.GK200.

I'm sure you learned something, my friend. 

[T-Block]

Oh yeah, that's definitely Ab.  I haven't even played it yet, but it just looks like Ab to me.

[Fenix]

So can you explain why he is using the D A D/ Gb C E Ab as a passing chord to Db? What is the theory behind it? 

[T-Block]

So can you explain why he is using the D A D/ Gb C E Ab as a passing chord to Db? What is the theory behind it? 

Notice what chord is being played in the RH, an Ab7 chord.  Now, if memory serves correctly, when u form a dominant 7th chord on anything other than 5 what does it become?  That's right, a secondary dominant chord.  So, seeing that this is a sec. dom. chord, it will most likely resolve to 4 of the chord, which in this case is a Db right?  There u have it.

The bass is in there like that to kinda add a little unorthodox sound to it, but it's simply a 1-4 using the #4/#5 bass note for added kick.  Hope that helps.

[Fenix]

Notice what chord is being played in the RH, an Ab7 chord.  Now, if memory serves correctly, when u form a dominant 7th chord on anything other than 5 what does it become?  That's right, a secondary dominant chord.  So, seeing that this is a sec. dom. chord, it will most likely resolve to 4 of the chord, which in this case is a Db right?  There u have it.

The bass is in there like that to kinda add a little unorthodox sound to it, but it's simply a 1-4 using the #4/#5 bass note for added kick.  Hope that helps.

I'm going to mull over this...

I thought it had something to do with tri-tones, cuz it has that tri-tone sound.

[sjonathan02]

So can you explain why he is using the D A D/ Gb C E Ab as a passing chord to Db? What is the theory behind it? 

I'll make this simple. When one is going to any chord, one can get there by playing a chord a 1/2 step above your target chord (in this playing that D chord before going to the Db).

Hope that helps.

[Mrandrew]

I'll make this simple. When one is going to any chord, one can get there by playing a chord a 1/2 step above your target chord (in this playing that D chord before going to the Db).

Hope that helps.

Very simple indeed. You also could play a C chord before going to the Db.

[sjonathan02]

Very simple indeed. You also could play a C chord before going to the Db.

Absolutely right. 

[csedwards2]

This is in Fminor

i (Fminor11)
V/VI (Ab13)
tritone sub of Ab7 (D9#11, cant be a flat 5, because the A is already represented in the chord)
VI (Db6/9)
V (Calt7 or C7#9#5 )           Five chords in minor keys often use this type of 5
i (F11 in the traditional jazz voicing of Eb/F)

Fenix you were right about the tritone sub. See how he plays it one time and hangs on the Ab, yet in the second time, he could have really done the same thing, but used the tritone to keep it interesting. He's going to the same place both times.  And Sjon I know you were keeping it simple, but you too were describing the movement of the tritone sub.

GCF
251

GGbF
2tt1

FDG
162

FAbG
1tt2

[T-Block]

Maybe I should have watched the video or at least played through the chords first, LOL.

1.  The key is Fm / Ab

2.  The passing chord is a D9 (#11):  D  Gb/F#  A  C  E  Ab/G#

I tend to agree that it is some sort of tri-tone sub., I just never recongnized it like that.  The whole tri-tone sub. thing is something that even I don't completely understand yet.  Besides, if u took away the passing chord, ur still left with a simple 1-4 progression there.

[musallio]

 Good explanations guys..It certainly looks like the key of Fm/ Ab  from the offset.

Also, SJ made a very good point about those 1/2 steps--that's something that you can immediately apply to 99.9% of the songs you play & it will transform your playing--just listen to any "contemporary" song & you're most likely going to hear alot of that stuff8)

Note to dearest Fenbox:

Dear lil Fenix,

I write this letter in response to your statement that you have learned nothing from GK200.

I don't know how far tue that is. One thing I can advise you on though:
Whenever you purchase an instructional dvd, make sure that you get as much as you can from it.
That means going beyond what is presented to you at face value.
What do I mean by that?
I mean just that! Look at the reaon behind everything.
Let me give you a simple example:
Say GK200 teaches you how to form a C7 (#9) chord.
Say that they have also explained to you that this chord is formed by looking at the C major scale adapting the formula to arrive at this chord.

Now if you choose to be the typical student, the C7 (#9) chord is the only one chord you will learn from the package
But if you see the instructional as dynamic collection of IDEAS, then you view the C7(#9) as a mere example to present to you how you can form all the 12 x7 (#9) chords. Not only form them in root positions, but in inverted formats as well.

Moreover, by fact that they've worked you through the formula to form the chord, you also learn the concept that chord names are derived by formulae..  (see, that's what I'm talking about now..in the package they most likely wouldn't tell you that that's what you'll learn from the package, but it's things that you learn as you analyse/ study the package.

So powerful is the human mind such that it tends to think the way it's been conditioned--if you read the package info & it tells you you will learn A,B,C , one tends to limit their minds to that. I challenge you to just see that as a part of what you will learn. I admit that some packages do fall short of what they promise.

Anyway, friend, I hope this motivates you to rethink what you have learnt from GK200.

Yours musically,
Musallio

[Fenix]

Good explanations guys..It certainly looks like the key of Fm/ Ab  from the offset.

Also, SJ made a very good point about those 1/2 steps--that's something that you can immediately apply to 99.9% of the songs you play & it will transform your playing--just listen to any "contemporary" song & you're most likely going to hear alot of that stuff8)

Note to dearest Fenbox:

Dear lil Fenix,

I write this letter in response to your statement that you have learned nothing from GK200.

I don't know how far tue that is. One thing I can advise you on though:
Whenever you purchase an instructional dvd, make sure that you get as much as you can from it.
That means going beyond what is presented to you at face value.
What do I mean by that?
I mean just that! Look at the reaon behind everything.
Let me give you a simple example:
Say GK200 teaches you how to form a C7 (#9) chord.
Say that they have also explained to you that this chord is formed by looking at the C major scale adapting the formula to arrive at this chord.

Now if you choose to be the typical student, the C7 (#9) chord is the only one chord you will learn from the package
But if you see the instructional as dynamic collection of IDEAS, then you view the C7(#9) as a mere example to present to you how you can form all the 12 x7 (#9) chords. Not only form them in root positions, but in inverted formats as well.

Moreover, by fact that they've worked you through the formula to form the chord, you also learn the concept that chord names are derived by formulae..  (see, that's what I'm talking about now..in the package they most likely wouldn't tell you that that's what you'll learn from the package, but it's things that you learn as you analyse/ study the package.

So powerful is the human mind such that it tends to think the way it's been conditioned--if you read the package info & it tells you you will learn A,B,C , one tends to limit their minds to that. I challenge you to just see that as a part of what you will learn. I admit that some packages do fall short of what they promise.

Anyway, friend, I hope this motivates you to rethink what you have learnt from GK200.

Yours musically,
Musallio

Dude, that was...very, VERY good. Thanks a lot. It is true, i thought i was only going to learn what was on the DVD cover and i didn't bother trying to apply that elsewhere. I am going to take another look at that DVD.

Good stuff man.

[musallio]

Dude, that was...very, VERY good. Thanks a lot. It is true, i thought i was only going to learn what was on the DVD cover and i didn't bother trying to apply that elsewhere. I am going to take another look at that DVD.

Good stuff man.

I'm glad it made sense to you mate
I'm aware that many people tend to buy instructionals , for instance, pitched in a specific key. They forget that was to help them understand a concept & look at the baser idea than the deeper stuff...

So I want you to tell us what you learnt from GK 200 that you had not taken note of previously

[ddw4e]

I am so late but it's in Ab

6 - F C F/ G Ab Bb Eb

1- Ab Eb/ Gb Bb C F

b5 (passing)- D A D/ Gb C E Ab- passing chord 2 beats (This is a Big Boy chord, be careful)  Grin

4 - Db Ab Db/ F Ab Bb Eb

3 - C G C/ E Ab Bb Eb

6 - F C F/ Ebmaj

You can say it's a common progression for a vamp because it loops. I can't tell you what songs right now, but I heard in some songs.

[sjonathan02]

In what song is this progression?

The progression might be in Ab (6-1-4-3-6)

I believe you're right about the passing chord.

I am so late but it's in Ab

6 - F C F/ G Ab Bb Eb

1- Ab Eb/ Gb Bb C F

b5 (passing)- D A D/ Gb C E Ab- passing chord 2 beats (This is a Big Boy chord, be careful)  Grin

4 - Db Ab Db/ F Ab Bb Eb

3 - C G C/ E Ab Bb Eb

6 - F C F/ Ebmaj

You can say it's a common progression for a vamp because it loops. I can't tell you what songs right now, but I heard in some songs.

Spooky.