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transposers part 22
« on: July 14, 2008, 11:13:12 AM »
I got a different transposing question for you musicians that play multiple instruments. How would you rate the difficulty level of transposing on different instruments? For example, for me its easier to play in different keys on the bass for me than it is on the piano. Also, I think that the organ is easier to play different keys in than the piano. What do you guys think?

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 11:35:38 AM »
I dunno if this is right or not but i think a more pertinent question would be how easy it is to play different keys on different instruments.

Its very easy to play different keys on stringed instruments like guitar or bass. Its pretty much all the same scale patterns and chord shapes on different sections of the fretboard. Piano is a totally different animal.

I think people who were primarily guitarists or bassists would find it a bit difficult switching to piano. They are so used to having their fingers do the same thing on the fretboard that it will not be easy for them to get used to the fact that piano requires a totally different skillset.
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 01:27:02 PM »
I dunno if this is right or not but i think a more pertinent question would be how easy it is to play different keys on different instruments.

Its very easy to play different keys on stringed instruments like guitar or bass. Its pretty much all the same scale patterns and chord shapes on different sections of the fretboard. Piano is a totally different animal.

I think people who were primarily guitarists or bassists would find it a bit difficult switching to piano. They are so used to having their fingers do the same thing on the fretboard that it will not be easy for them to get used to the fact that piano requires a totally different skillset.

That's quite interesting coming from some1 who plays both...
My neighbor once told me that it must be easier to play piano (he's a guitarist) since you have all the notes layed down before you...i kinda just thought in my mind," is it not the same for guitar though if that's the case with the piano because you have the fretboard right at your fingertips ::) ::) because you give a piano to even someone who knows one or 8 scales, they'll still struggle alot with the 1s they don't know (those who struggle only with A..as in can't play in it..will testify ;D)..
As I'm not a string instrument player, I can't speak on their behalf pertaining to this part. :-\
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 02:35:30 PM »
Once you learn the mechanics of playing the bass, it seems to me to be much easier to learn to play and transpose than the keyboard.  (for the reasons that Fenix mentioned) Transposing on a bass, especially a five or six string seems very easy, once you learn a lick in any key.  Especially if you stay in the "box".

How is it easier to play in different keys on the organ?  Just curious.

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 09:35:09 AM »
Once you learn the mechanics of playing the bass, it seems to me to be much easier to learn to play and transpose than the keyboard.  (for the reasons that Fenix mentioned) Transposing on a bass, especially a five or six string seems very easy, once you learn a lick in any key.  Especially if you stay in the "box".

How is it easier to play in different keys on the organ?  Just curious.

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I think the organ is more forgiving and than the piano.

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 09:51:33 AM »
I think the organ is more forgiving and than the piano.
exactly. you can kinda fake it on the organ, but not on the piano.

I'm not really a bass player, but  I think its very easy to find the notes, but my problem is playing the correct bottom notes.

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 09:58:00 AM »
exactly. you can kinda fake it on the organ, but not on the piano.


I noticed that. You organ players just hold on to one chord on your left hand and then start punching the same chord using a different inversion, on the right. Don't get me wrong, i have seen some sick stuff, but it just seems like you can fake stuff much more easily on organ than piano.

You can't fake nuffin on guitar. If you don't know it, it is SO obvious.
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 10:10:22 AM »
I noticed that. You organ players just hold on to one chord on your left hand and then start punching the same chord using a different inversion, on the right. Don't get me wrong, i have seen some sick stuff, but it just seems like you can fake stuff much more easily on organ than piano.


Especially when you arent the lead instrument. In the clip below, they were singing "here I am to worship". Thursday was my first time hearing it, and I didnt even practice it. On sunday, I just played some inbetween stuff, and it came out halfway decent. Not great, but it was 'aiigt'

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 12:04:22 PM »
Especially when you arent the lead instrument. In the clip below, they were singing "here I am to worship". Thursday was my first time hearing it, and I didnt even practice it. On sunday, I just played some inbetween stuff, and it came out halfway decent. Not great, but it was 'aiigt'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWc0k8Aur9c


Hey I liked that..I don't know how many times I've listened to it, but it's still cool 8)
I guess 1 can kinda get away with it on the organ than on piano.
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 12:30:54 PM »
Hey I liked that..I don't know how many times I've listened to it, but it's still cool 8)
I guess 1 can kinda get away with it on the organ than on piano.

Why are organiss always moving the drawbars? Seems like every chord played deserves a draw-bar setting.
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 02:45:20 PM »
Why are organiss always moving the drawbars? Seems like every chord played deserves a draw-bar setting.

Thats just part of playing the organ. It depends on the song or what you are playing.

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 03:22:08 PM »
Why are organiss always moving the drawbars? Seems like every chord played deserves a draw-bar setting.

Good 1 Fenix :) Sometimes I think the changes are just a bit exaggerated ::) :D
t must take an awfully long time to master though if you have to adjust the drawbars for virtually every chord :-\
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 04:46:08 PM »
Especially when you arent the lead instrument. In the clip below, they were singing "here I am to worship". Thursday was my first time hearing it, and I didnt even practice it. On sunday, I just played some inbetween stuff, and it came out halfway decent. Not great, but it was 'aiigt'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWc0k8Aur9c


That is the key right there. In a band setting you can get away with some things on the organ, but if it's just you on organ and a drummer you cannot cover anything up.

Nice organ clip by the way.

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 05:30:57 PM »
Each instrument has it's own difficulties and techniques to master.  They are all equally "easy" and "hard", it all depends on the individual and how much time he/she puts into practicing the instrument.

I'll speak personally on this subject.  I have played on just about every instrument there is at least once, except for the brass instruments (trumpet, tuba, etc.) & organ, but dat's coming this semester.  The hardest instrument for me to play was the flute.  If u don't blow in the hole just right, u won't get a sound, PERIOD.

The next hardest instrument was the violin.  If u got fat fingers, u gonna struggle cuz the fret board is like 1/16 the size of a guitar or bass guitar.  Plus, there are no lines or frets, so u betta know what note(s) u hitting.  Not to mention da dern bow, there is a certain way to hold it and strum it across the strings.

The easiest for me to learn was the clarinet.  It took a while to get a consistent sound, but the fingerings were easy.  As it is with the flute and the other woodwind instruments, breath control will be the hardest skill to master.  Too much breath and u will get a high-pitched squeak.  Too little breath and u will get little to no sound, and u may pass out cuz u running out of air.

The other instruments were in the middle, not good, but not bad either.  The great thing about instruments other than the piano, organ, guitar, and drum stuff is 99% of the time u playing one note at a time.  Scales, fingering, and breathing exercises will help you to master them.
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 04:22:41 PM »
Thanks for the really helpful & spot-on assessment T.
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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2008, 08:43:03 PM »
I got a different transposing question for you musicians that play multiple instruments. How would you rate the difficulty level of transposing on different instruments? For example, for me its easier to play in different keys on the bass for me than it is on the piano. Also, I think that the organ is easier to play different keys in than the piano. What do you guys think?

I've only had experience with electric guitars, bass guitars, and pianos and I can say it's easier to transpose or modulate on the guitars than it is on the pianos hands down.  Mainly cause all you have to do is go up or down the neck of the guitar and do the same pattern.

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Re: transposers part 22
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2008, 09:42:22 AM »
I've only had experience with electric guitars, bass guitars, and pianos and I can say it's easier to transpose or modulate on the guitars than it is on the pianos hands down.  Mainly cause all you have to do is go up or down the neck of the guitar and do the same pattern.

thats interesting. I always thought that guitar players had to re-position their fingers to hit the same chord in another key. I played the xylophone( spelling, I know) an that was a very difficult instrument to play. Its very similar to the piano except you use mallets to strike the notes.
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