Looking for Pianist/ Organist around STL

[themidiroom]

I know if they paid out of their own pocket for somebody to teach them, they would've took it more seriously.

How do you know that?

[sjonathan02]

How do you know that?

C'mon bruh. The general ideology of most people is, "If I have to pay, I'm going to get all that I can."  It doesn't matter the product, that's the general mentality.

[themidiroom]

C'mon bruh. The general ideology of most people is, "If I have to pay, I'm going to get all that I can."  It doesn't matter the product, that's the general mentality.

Ummm there's a difference between knowing something and making an assumption based on the general mentality. 
C'mon bruh.   

[Fenix]

C'mon bruh. The general ideology of most people is, "If I have to pay, I'm going to get all that I can."  It doesn't matter the product, that's the general mentality.

Man, I tried giving away lessons for free to anyone willing to learn (at least 3 people). No one was willing to practice.
I know if they paid out of their own pocket for somebody to teach them, they would've took it more seriously.

Yep! I do not do free lessons anymore cuz it is just a waste of bloody time. The people will almost NEVER practice. I don't even bother.

[themidiroom]

Yep! I do not do free lessons anymore cuz it is just a waste of bloody time. The people will almost NEVER practice. I don't even bother.

You have to stop dealing with deadbeats.   

[sjonathan02]

Ummm there's a difference between knowing something and making an assumption based on the general mentality. 
C'mon bruh.   

Not necessarily, specifically by research standards. Do a test enough times and you get a sense (see: know) how a thing will pan out.

For instance, talk to enough people who have given free lessons and you'll probably hear them tell you that folks don't take it as seriously as those who pay for the same lessons.

[themidiroom]

Not necessarily, specifically by research standards. Do a test enough times and you get a sense (see: know) how a thing will pan out.

For instance, talk to enough people who have given free lessons and you'll probably hear them tell you that folks don't take it as seriously as those who pay for the same lessons.

Cool, not going to argue with ya.

[momuzik]

How do you know that?

This is just something I commonly see throughout life. I know you've heard someone say "it ain't mine" or "I didn't pay for it".
Think about it...if I give lesson for free and they don't practice, what have they lost?...nothing. But if they had to pay for lessons, then they stand to lose something if they don't practice.
I paid for my lessons. It cost me a couple of lessons when my instructor wouldn't go any further until I learn my previous lesson.

E.g., I have a daughter who tore up the car we gave her; would never check the oil, even after I showed her how. But when she bought her own car, she's faithful to take care of it because (I believe) she paid for it. A lot of parents deal with this issue with a lot of stuff they buy for their kids.

Another example, people will tend to treat a rental with less care than their own car (especially if they have insurance).

Have you ever lent something of yours to someone who broke it, and they returned it nonchalantly like it's no big deal?

[Blackwiz87]

Not necessarily, specifically by research standards. Do a test enough times and you get a sense (see: know) how a thing will pan out.

For instance, talk to enough people who have given free lessons and you'll probably hear them tell you that folks don't take it as seriously as those who pay for the same lessons.

I will cosign with themidiroom. Your statement is still an assumption. Giving the definition of "knowing" something according to research standards doesn't mean anything because more than likely, you didn't do this test that you speak of.

[momuzik]

Ummm there's a difference between knowing something and making an assumption based on the general mentality. 
C'mon bruh.  

I will cosign with themidiroom. Your statement is still an assumption. Giving the definition of "knowing" something according to research standards doesn't mean anything because more than likely, you didn't do this test that you speak of.

Com'on now...do we really need scientific research to say that "folks will take things to heart more if they have their own money invested"? ... really now?

[Blackwiz87]

Com'on now...do we really need scientific research to say that "folks will take things to heart more if they have their own money invested"? ... really now?

We are dealing with people and their different experiences. I could make an educated guess that thats true, but its still not a fact. It seams apparent that themidiroom has more experiences with people who don't feel that way. How can someone make a theory and call it factual when he has dealt with the complete opposite. I was merely intervening and stating that while that may be true, just because one says that people think that way doesnt make it a fact.

[themidiroom]

It all comes back to the fact that a suggestion was made that this church could invest in one of its own members that might be interested in learing to play.  Hmmm I guess NO since NOBODY ever appreciates something unless they pay for it. 

[sjonathan02]

It all comes back to the fact that a suggestion was made that this church could invest in one of its own members that might be interested in learing to play.  Hmmm I guess NO since NOBODY ever appreciates something unless they pay for it. 

They put an 'ad' on LGM, didn't they? 

We are dealing with people and their different experiences. I could make an educated guess that thats true, but its still not a fact. It seams apparent that themidiroom has more experiences with people who don't feel that way. How can someone make a theory and call it factual when he has dealt with the complete opposite. I was merely intervening and stating that while that may be true, just because one says that people think that way doesnt make it a fact.

First, I don't believe TMR mentioned or alluded to having more experiences with people who don't feel that way; so, to me, you're just making an assumption.



As far as knowing ANYTHING, one could argue that ANY statisic EVER taken ANYWHERE is invalid because that researcher (or research team) didn't test or question EVERYONE on the planet. Seriously? 

[jonesl78]

This is just something I commonly see throughout life. I know you've heard someone say "it ain't mine" or "I didn't pay for it".
Think about it...if I give lesson for free and they don't practice, what have they lost?...nothing. But if they had to pay for lessons, then they stand to lose something if they don't practice.
I paid for my lessons. It cost me a couple of lessons when my instructor wouldn't go any further until I learn my previous lesson.

E.g., I have a daughter who tore up the car we gave her; would never check the oil, even after I showed her how. But when she bought her own car, she's faithful to take care of it because (I believe) she paid for it. A lot of parents deal with this issue with a lot of stuff they buy for their kids.

Another example, people will tend to treat a rental with less care than their own car (especially if they have insurance).

Have you ever lent something of yours to someone who broke it, and they returned it nonchalantly like it's no big deal?

I agree with you. People that spend/invest money/time into a service or product tend to be more responsible than those who don't. Im taking lessons right now and assure you, the money that I am spending is a great motivation to practice.

To the original poster, you stated what you want and how much you want to pay for it. There is nothing wrong with that because rest assured, musicians will tell you exactly what they want. Hopefully someone will answer your ad and assist you in your ministry.   

[Blackwiz87]

First, I don't believe TMR mentioned or alluded to having more experiences with people who don't feel that way; so, to me, you're just making an assumption.

Exactly...I was merely making an assumption...I never denied or implied that its a fact.

[momuzik]

...I know if they paid out of their own pocket for somebody to teach them, they would've took it more seriously...

Really, truthfully, honestly ... when I made this statement, I didn't think that folks would take this as a universal truth that's etched in stone somewhere. Seriously ... we're just talking.

If you stepped outside and said "it's cold", I wouldn't challenge you to back that statement up with statistical data or physical evidence, I wouldn't do a survey of 100 people to see if your statement is true for everyone, I wouldn't go research on the weather station to see if it's fact or merely an assumption.
I mean... we're just talking... or is there something I'm missing.

My bad, that's not a true fact...we're just "typing".

stick a fork in me...

[themidiroom]

As far as knowing ANYTHING, one could argue that ANY statisic EVER taken ANYWHERE is invalid because that researcher (or research team) didn't test or question EVERYONE on the planet. Seriously? 

One has better things to do than argue with sjon.   Thank you and goodnight.   

[sjonathan02]

One has better things to do than argue with sjon.   Thank you and goodnight.   

One would think. 

[Miracles]

Well, this has been some positive feedback with a lot of great ideas.  Thanks for your responses!

Pastor Edwards