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Re: Tanspose again
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2009, 03:38:12 PM »
Umm...what does it mean to "slur"  ?/?
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Re: Tanspose again
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2009, 04:37:41 PM »
Umm...what does it mean to "slur"  ?/?

play legato or smoothly connected
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Re: Tanspose again
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2009, 04:48:25 PM »
When is someone gonna change the title of this thread? What is a TANpose? Grammar Wizard...Where are you???

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Re: Tanspose again
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2009, 04:53:45 PM »
Umm...what does it mean to "slur"  ?/?
say you're in Ab and the melody goes from c to Eb and you wanna slur c you would hit one or two notes below it really fast but it has to be a sliding effect its kinda  hard to explain you have to see it and hear it to really understand and it takes sum practice to master evem though its fairly easy
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Re: Tanspose again
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM »
say you're in Ab and the melody goes from c to Eb and you wanna slur c you would hit one or two notes below it really fast but it has to be a sliding effect its kinda  hard to explain you have to see it and hear it to really understand and it takes sum practice to master evem though its fairly easy
Is that what U13 was talking about?  If so, that shouldn't be that difficult to do in "white" keys.
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Re: Tanspose again
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2009, 01:42:02 PM »
say you're in Ab and the melody goes from c to Eb and you wanna slur c you would hit one or two notes below it really fast but it has to be a sliding effect its kinda  hard to explain you have to see it and hear it to really understand and it takes sum practice to master evem though its fairly easy


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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2009, 05:10:14 PM »
Slurring is easy in any key.  I think U14 was talking about slides, not slurs.  Slides are harder to pull of when sliding to certain notes.  For example sliding from the note A up to the note Bb is a heck of a lot harder than sliding from Bb down to A mainly cuz u gotta use 2 fingers to pull it off.  The latter example u can use 1 finger to get the job done.
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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2009, 01:44:15 PM »
wow. you keyboard guys sure are hard on your fellow players.

a couple of points. the key of C (on paper) is simple because there are no sharps and flats and is usually the easiest key when teaching isolated music theory, sheet music, OR teaching on keyboard or organ. It is NOT necessarily the easiest key in every instrument, therefore it is not the first key learned, and thus for example a person playing a Bb sax, may view Bb as someone else may view C. keyword: MAY.

also a person doesnt have to learn theory in terms of C (everybody doesnt get confused so easily) and they learn every key on the keyboard as an isolated key. C#/Db is C#/Db; its own key, not "find C, then go up one". so if I had to learn in C# first it is its own thing, i MAY not have to reference C at all. I personally never do (i use the numbers to label my chord progressions). Its kind of like do you think of the number 2 as "2" or as "1+1"? Now later on you learned that "1+1=2" and the whole mathematical way the numbers interacted, but when you learned 1 through 10 you learned it as 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10. same thing for the notes.

Guitar/bass is not keyboard, keyboard is not guitar/bass. there are literally some things you CANNOT do in every key, not because its harder and you dont wanna learn/practice, but because you actually cannot do, mainly things using/depending on the open strings. Once in another key, the open strings cannot be used in that way (no longer the same notes relative to the key), making some chord voicings, tricks, effects unavailable. thats just the way the instrument is. if thats a huge part of your style, then thats understandable why they prefer particular keys as opposed to others, even though that is kind of limiting.

lets face it, everybody is not going to be able to play every song in every key. not everyone has that kind of time. i had to play keys for p&w one sunday because the organist didnt show none of the rehearsals, and i was up till 1 or 2am sunday morning getting parts of the song down that i didnt quite have right. so we sang the song sunday morning. no we didnt modulate. did i know the song in all 12 keys? nope. did i minister any less effectively? nope. Did anyone even CARE? nope. was i any less of a musician? nope. but i did go home later and work on it in other keys. yes thats a goal, but there's a little thing called progress. ordinary people grow in steps.

gospel has definitely limited itself to a few keys, thats why many musicians are in the box they're in. when i create songs, my main key is Bb, only because thats the key i naturally sing in (or my attempt at singing) so i can have a reference point. but my second song was in E, my third song was in B, i even had a song in Bbminor. The last song i just came up with was in Bb Dorian (how bout that!)

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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2009, 01:52:16 PM »
wow. you keyboard guys sure are hard on your fellow players.


Ain't they, though.  :-\ :D
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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2009, 02:04:40 PM »
wow. you keyboard guys sure are hard on your fellow players...

I know...y'all be trippin'; especially when someone says the "T" word. ;D

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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2009, 02:10:58 PM »
I know...y'all be trippin'; especially when someone says the "T" word. ;D
I know thats right.  Everyone doesn't have the same level of musical integrity but it's funny to me that people get upset when someone transposes.
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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2009, 02:38:47 PM »
I know thats right.  Everyone doesn't have the same level of musical integrity but it's funny to me that people get upset when someone transposes.

i guess somebody heard the old church mother that used to play keys say "transpose is of the devil!"

either that or someone hit the transpose key by accident and got snatched up on the prayer line.
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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2009, 03:38:38 PM »
I was at a church on Friday and got up to play for our choir.  The keyboardist left his board, then ran back before i started playing to take the transpose off. 

I was SHOCKED because I happen to know that this guy is beastly in ALL keys.  He says one of the low Bb's doesn't work, so he transposes when he has to play in certain keys.  He's wasn't lying.  One of the Bb's doesn't work.



What would've happened if he hadn't remembered to take the transpose off?  A few things are possible?

A) The choir would sing the song in the new key, and struggled slightly.

B) The choir would sing the song and sound a mess because it's out of most of their ranges.

C) I would've noticed by ear that the board is transposed and asked the keyboardist to come change it.

D) I would've noticed by ear that the board is transposed and manually found the right key (unlikely).


CLEARLY the broken key on the board is not the keyboard players fault.  Again, I happen to know for a fact that this brotha can kill in every key and his ear is solid.  But it's just a testament to the perils of the dreaded transpose.  It cripples.  It halts growth.  It embarasses.

There are cats who are beasts in Ab/Eb/Db/F#, but practically BEGINNERS in every other key.  I want those who are just starting out to avoid that fate.

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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2009, 03:46:40 PM »


What would've happened if he hadn't remembered to take the transpose off? 

Happened to me :D

OK, so today my church goes to fellowship with another church. They have PnW, Our Choir gets up, our pastor is on the keyboard, I'm on the organ. He starts the song, It sounds kinda off..... I know we did it this morning in C, now he's doing it in F. even though I've never done it in that key, I still played it fine. Then we do the next song which we rehearsed in E, but he does it in A, by that time I've figured out that the previous player must have had it transposed + 5. And that song, was more uptempo and I couldnt really play it too well in A, so I struggled though it.

So now I think I'm changing my position on Transposers. They may be musicians, but they are definatley incompetent, and they should at least have the courtesy to untranspose when they leave the instrument.


I really dont know how a musicians can use transpose. I got a new (to me) keyboard on saturday, and I soon as I played it, I knew it was transposed +1, and it took like 15 minutes to turn it off :D

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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2009, 04:56:37 PM »


I really dont know how a musicians can use transpose. I got a new (to me) keyboard on saturday, and I soon as I played it, I knew it was transposed +1, and it took like 15 minutes to turn it off :D


Its simple really. Just press a few buttons unitl you find the transpose option and there you have it. lol. But seriously though, I used to use the transpose option all the time when i first started playing becasue i only knew how to play in C and Db. I eventually learned how to play in every key. Now...theres another guy at my church who plays by ear. And he's been playing some of the songs when i have to direct. He has time to learn to learn the other keys but just prefers to use the transpose key. I told him that everywhere he went to play wasnt going to have a transpose option. And sure enough we went to a church and all they had was an organ. I told him to start playing and he did but it wasnt in the key that we sing it. I tried to tell him that he needed to learn the other 11 keys but he says he's going to just get a board with the transpose option on it and take it when he goes off. I told him if he would just learn the song in there oringinal key without transposing that would helping learn to play in more keys. He still wont listen.
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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2009, 05:10:15 PM »
...I told him if he would just learn the song in there oringinal key without transposing that would helping learn to play in more keys...

Even if he didn't learn one song in every key but at least learn songs in there original keys -  that's one way (a slower way) to learn more keys.

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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #96 on: April 27, 2009, 06:38:37 PM »
I know thats right.  Everyone doesn't have the same level of musical integrity but it's funny to me that people get upset when someone transposes.

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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #97 on: April 28, 2009, 03:59:00 PM »
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Thanks for all you advice but one more question,

How did you guys get to know that transposing is wrong,
Did your piano teacher ay it was wrong,
Did you hear it from other musicians
Or did you just know

I am asking this besause i new that people say to lean in all keys, but i did not for one moment think that it was wrong in any way (untill i met this site), i just pressed the button and Wow! i found a new tool so i can learn things quicker. and i am saying this honestly (there is by no way any wrong feeling in my bones when i transpose, to me it is just a musical tool)

Secondly, do people that are against transposing, mainly piano player or keyboard players becaus i dont consider myself someone that is a piano player because i only play in 1 keys but i will not hesitate to say that i am a keyboard player.

Also, do you think that  you cannot play a piano because you cannot modulate

And i also think that many musicians are under pressure to show that they are not transposers, and when they see another musician they must show that they can play in adifferent key. i'm getting the vibes that pople are scred about something and emidiately go on defence when the T word is used.











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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #98 on: April 28, 2009, 04:25:50 PM »
Its simple really. Just press a few buttons unitl you find the transpose option and there you have it. lol.

But seriously though, I used to use the transpose option all the time when i first started playing becasue i only knew how to play in C and Db. I eventually learned how to play in every key.
I just reset the board to factory settings.

When I was comin up, I didnt even know the was a such thing as transpose. I would just sit at the board and play along with the songs on the radio; do that long enough and you will end up playing in every key


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Re: Transpose again
« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2009, 07:04:37 PM »
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Thanks for all you advice but one more question,

How did you guys get to know that transposing is wrong,
Did your piano teacher ay it was wrong,
Did you hear it from other musicians
Or did you just know

Transposing in itself isn't technically wrong, it's just unprofessional, taking the easy way out.  It will criple you in the long run.  What happens when u have to play a board w/out transpose and they sing in a key u don't know?

Transposing is an insult to every other musician and every other instrument player who had to work hard to learn every key, but u getting the same result by just hitting a stinking button.  You are faking, not being real. I could call that lying, and u know what the Bible says about liars, but I won't go that far.
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