As a keyboardist how does this make you feel?

[davidenoch]

Hey....As a keyboardist(beginner, intermidiant or advanced) how does this post make you feel?...I definitely aplogize if this is a repost

Learn how to play "Souled Out" Correctly from Nate McNair the original composer

[churchyreal]

Idk but the attitude behind the video to me is too harsh and hateful. So what if someone is not playing the song exactly like the original? Does it matter as long as the song is being played to the best of THEIR ability and someone is being blessed through the song.

[4hisglory]

No comment because its that "standard" church/ gospel musician attitude.

[pressingon3]

Whatever!

[under13]

Wow.

1. the song is wack (imo) I dont see whats so great about it.....

2. He has the right idea by taking the time to teach the song the right way,  but the attitude was wrong. Its sad that gospel musicians act in such a way.

[malthumb]

Well, I'm not a keyboard player and I don't play one on TV  , but it seems to me like he's kind of caught between trying to be helpful and being somewhat proud of the fact that so many people are trying to play his material on YouTube.

Sure, he's not the most humble cat, but how many successful studio musicians are?  I tend to look at things as "glass half-full" and my glass half-full view on this is that dude is simply trying to help.  After all, he could've said "Y'all playing it wrong" then played it and left it alone.  Instead, he showed how to finger the chords where people are going astray and tried to explain why he did it the way he did it.  Now, it does come across as though he's saying that this is the ONLY way to play it.  Well, maybe....maybe not.

[sjonathan02]

You know, from the composer's standpoint I can understand.


After having a conversation with the facilitator of our music workshop (who's about to put out his first CD), I get what Nate is saying.


Pastor Mobley (the facilitator) was a bit more curt with us, this year, than last year. I have no problem with curtness as long as there's love behind it (and there was).



Anyway, I mentioned this to him just before our concert; BUT, I also understood. When one is hearing their music misplayed (for whatever reason), it's like that sound of nails on a chalkboard. As a composer, you want folks to get your music, on which you worked tirelessly to perfect, correct.



Now, how Nate went about it, to me, can be taken with a grain of salt. BTJM.

[under13]

You know, from the composer's standpoint I can understand.

. When one is hearing their music misplayed (for whatever reason), it's like that sound of nails on a chalkboard. As a composer, you want folks to get your music, on which you worked tirelessly to perfect, correct.

.  Now, it does come across as though he's saying that this is the ONLY way to play it.  Well, maybe....maybe not.

Interesting. I would expect that from a classical musician or composer, but not a gospel musician. I honestly dont know any gospel musician who plays the song exactly as the recording, unless they are in concert with the artist who recorded it.

Our music is not an exact science

[Change2Light]

I mean I love it. Not because he just told off or so called treated alot of people, but because He took out the time to show exactly what he played and how he did it. I been with musician like that before. I realize that the right way is the best way. Cause believe me when you playing for a major artist they're going to want the right way, and they will not be happy with anyway. So I am glad he post that video up.

[6stringapprentice]

Souled out is definitely a listeners song. Ask most musicians and they tell you it's an Ok song but ask any non musician and they love it. Personally this song is on a list along with "Never would have made it" of songs I can't stand hearing because i've heard them so many times. Picking out bass notes is much easier and I know a lot of times the song is so cluttered you'll have to follow the bass note and play a chord that sounds correct.

I think there is a difference from playing a song different because you wan't to than playing a song different because you don't know it. I am guilty of both but i try to make it a priority to learn a song as it is written. I'm not a active keyboardist but I would imagine it would be hard picking out note for note chords that are mixed with vocals and an entire band.

My theory is if you want to hear the CD then play the CD as a covering musician my job is to give a song a similar feel so that the audience and choir can easily follow, not to reproduce what I've heard on a CD note for note. Imagine how boring it would be if all you had to look forward to is reproducing tracks, but there are some choir directors who want that. If that was the case then choirs could just sing to tracks.

As far as the attitude can't really tell and I've never been in his shoes so can't really judge. But I've seen much worst from people with no where near as much notoriety.

[sjonathan02]

Souled out is definitely a listeners song. Ask most musicians and they tell you it's an Ok song but ask any non musician and they love it. Personally this song is on a list along with "Never would have made it" of songs I can't stand hearing because i've heard them so many times. Picking out bass notes is much easier and I know a lot of times the song is so cluttered you'll have to follow the bass note and play a chord that sounds correct.

I think there is a difference from playing a song different because you wan't to than playing a song different because you don't know it. I am guilty of both but i try to make it a priority to learn a song as it is written. I'm not a active keyboardist but I would imagine it would be hard picking out note for note chords that are mixed with vocals and an entire band.

My theory is if you want to hear the CD then play the CD as a covering musician my job is to give a song a similar feel so that the audience and choir can easily follow, not to reproduce what I've heard on a CD note for note. Imagine how boring it would be if all you had to look forward to is reproducing tracks, but there are some choir directors who want that. If that was the case then choirs could just sing to tracks.

As far as the attitude can't really tell and I've never been in his shoes so can't really judge. But I've seen much worst from people with no where near as much notoriety.

Negative. Playing the song, as recorded, has nothing to do with using tracks (which choirs do, btw).

Additionally, using a musician affords a choir the opportunity to sing the song as long as they want or eliminate a part of a song should they so choose.


As a covering musician, your job is to give the choir director what they ask.

[sjonathan02]

Interesting. I would expect that from a classical musician or composer, but not a gospel musician. I honestly dont know any gospel musician who plays the song exactly as the recording, unless they are in concert with the artist who recorded it.

Our music is not an exact science

Or, are the artist that recorded it?

[jonesl78]

Hey....As a keyboardist(beginner, intermidiant or advanced) how does this post make you feel?...I definitely aplogize if this is a repost


Learn how to play "Souled Out" Correctly from Nate McNair the original composer

I appreciate him showing how the song was originally composed as opposed to just saying its being done wrong.   

[jonesl78]

Negative. Playing the song, as recorded, has nothing to do with using tracks (which choirs do, btw).

Additionally, using a musician affords a choir the opportunity to sing the song as long as they want or eliminate a part of a song should they so choose.


As a covering musician, your job is to give the choir director what they ask.

I agree with the part in bold, however their is hardware/software available that allows the user the capabilities of looping, repeating, and skipping sections of the song. I think the advantage of having live music is more of a "authentic feel thing" as opposed it allowing to choir to be more versatile in a song.

[sjonathan02]

I agree with the part in bold, however their is hardware/software available that allows the user the capabilities of looping, repeating, and skipping sections of the song. I think the advantage of having live music is more of a "authentic feel thing" as opposed it allowing to choir to be more versatile in a song.

a. Six, in one hand, half a dozen on the other. In other words, in my mind, we're saying the same thing.

b. I was talking about CD trax. With that said:


1. What were you thinking?

2. Where can one purchase this hardware/software?


Thanks.

[churchyreal]

Interesting. I would expect that from a classical musician or composer, but not a gospel musician. I honestly dont know any gospel musician who plays the song exactly as the recording, unless they are in concert with the artist who recorded it.

Our music is not an exact science

That's my whole issue!

No comment because its that "standard" church/ gospel musician attitude.

This has been an issue for a long time! What do we do to combat this attitude?

[malthumb]

Interesting. I would expect that from a classical musician or composer, but not a gospel musician. I honestly dont know any gospel musician who plays the song exactly as the recording, unless they are in concert with the artist who recorded it.

Our music is not an exact science

I go to a lot of concerts and I have never seen an artist, gospel or secular, play anything exactly as it is on the recording.  Personally, in my secular cover band work I rarely play the same songs the EXACT same way twice.  The differences may be minor and not even noticeable to the lay-person.  Fact is, my memory ain't good enough to allow me to play things EXACTLY the same     

[jonesl78]

a. Six, in one hand, half a dozen on the other. In other words, in my mind, we're saying the same thing.

b. I was talking about CD trax. With that said:


1. What were you thinking?


2. Where can one purchase this hardware/software?


Thanks.

Dont really want to hijak the thread more than I already have.


http://www.audiomidi.com/MPD24-MIDI-Controller-P8234.aspx

Someone with more expertise should be able to explain this to you better than I can. Overall, you can record a section of a song on each pad.

I.e. pad1= song intro; pad2= bridge1; pad3=vamp; ect.

[sjonathan02]

This has been an issue for a long time! What do we do to combat this attitude?

Don't develop one.

[sjonathan02]

Dont really want to hijak the thread more than I already have.


http://www.audiomidi.com/MPD24-MIDI-Controller-P8234.aspx

Someone with more expertise should be able to explain this to you better than I can. Overall, you can record a section of a song on each pad.

I.e. pad1= song intro; pad2= bridge1; pad3=vamp; ect.

Yea, I would definitely need a deeper explanation.