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I was wondering how you all felt about that statement. I made a comment the other day based on a book that I had read, The Milk of The Word, and basically the question was, How many times would you have to rape someone to be considered a rapist? How many lies do you have to tell to be a liar? How many sins do you have to commit to be a sinner?

I had made this comment in a story that I had typed on Face Book last year, on a situation between me and someone I know. I posed the statement thatyou only have to lie one time to be a liar, steal one time to be a thief, and my mom came back at me and told me that this was inaccurate, and that it wasn't true. I struggled with it, because I do believe that it IS true.

It doesnt mean that you will ALWAYS be a thief or that you will ALWAYS be a liar, but the action had to be done one time for you to be just that very thing. Maybe I am reaching... Or maybe not :-\

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As with most situations, I think it depends on the motive.

For example, say I've gone my entire adult life without telling a lie. I am not, by any account, a liar. An armed madman breaks into my office and asks where Sally Sue is, threatening to blow her head off. I might lie to protect Sally Sue. That doesn't make me a liar.

The Katrina survivors who took bread and other food items from stores so they wouldn't starve to death are not thieves.

On the other hand, there are no "good" motives to rape. You rape someone and you're just a rapist. However, I wouldn't apply that reasoning to statutory rape.

Bottom line, it depends on what's in the "blank" and what the person's motives are.
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As with most situations, I think it depends on the motive.

I agree.  Motive has a lot to do with it.
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As with most situations, I think it depends on the motive.

For example, say I've gone my entire adult life without telling a lie. I am not, by any account, a liar. An armed madman breaks into my office and asks where Sally Sue is, threatening to blow her head off. I might lie to protect Sally Sue. That doesn't make me a liar.

The Katrina survivors who took bread and other food items from stores so they wouldn't starve to death are not thieves.

On the other hand, there are no "good" motives to rape. You rape someone and you're just a rapist. However, I wouldn't apply that reasoning to statutory rape.

Bottom line, it depends on what's in the "blank" and what the person's motives are.
I agree.  Motive has a lot to do with it.
I agree 2! At first I thought this was another game we could play and I was going to say
It only takes one time for you to act da fool to be considered a goof ball.
My bad ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I agree 2! At first I thought this was another game we could play and I was going to say
It only takes one time for you to act da fool to be considered a goof ball.
My bad ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
goof ball.  :D

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I was wondering how you all felt about that statement. I made a comment the other day based on a book that I had read, The Milk of The Word, and basically the question was, How many times would you have to rape someone to be considered a rapist? How many lies do you have to tell to be a liar? How many sins do you have to commit to be a sinner?

I had made this comment in a story that I had typed on Face Book last year, on a situation between me and someone I know. I posed the statement thatyou only have to lie one time to be a liar, steal one time to be a thief, and my mom came back at me and told me that this was inaccurate, and that it wasn't true. I struggled with it, because I do believe that it IS true.

It doesnt mean that you will ALWAYS be a thief or that you will ALWAYS be a liar, but the action had to be done one time for you to be just that very thing. Maybe I am reaching... Or maybe not :-\



I think there's some validity in that statement.

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I think I disagree.  I think it only takes once, regardless.  Thank God for Jesus!

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Well, I dont want to start a debate or anything like that. LaRue, I respect what you are saying, but, Biblically, would the Bible look at the people in Katrina differently for stealing the food they needed just that one time even if it is for the sake of not starving to death.

Forgive me for not being very good at expressing EXACTLY what I mean, but I think that there is a truth and validity to it. I mean, they are thieves, just not in the same malicious aspect that a bank robber would be. But the only place where there is value placed on something like that is here in the World, because in the Word sin is sin, wrong is wrong. (I sure hope that makes sense :D )

It just really messed with my head that my mom would tell me that what I am saying was not right, and then turn right around and say that one SIN makes you a SINNER. I just didnt get that part.

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Two things:

I think this could be a dangerous discussion (but still worthwhile and healthy) because it could possibly enable folks to step in a position of giving a type of judgment that only God really can give. We can determine, assume, assign, reason, or deduce, but really, only God knows whether He would judge a person as a liar because they lied one time for the purpose of saving someone's life.

I'm reminded of Jesus' conversation with the Pharisees in regard to healing on the Sabbath. I'm also reminded of the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

What it comes down to, for me, is that if it makes you (the general you) feel better to label people liars, thieves, gossips or whatever else, then so be it. But at the end of the day, only God knows.  But if I could step into God's shoes for a minute (lol)... if I had in front of me a hurricane victim who starved to death and allowed his family to starve to death, I would call him an idiot for not taking undamaged food items from a flooded store. LOL  :D :D
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Two things:

I think this could be a dangerous discussion (but still worthwhile and healthy) because it could possibly enable folks to step in a position of giving a type of judgment that only God really can give. We can determine, assume, assign, reason, or deduce, but really, only God knows whether He would judge a person as a liar because they lied one time for the purpose of saving someone's life.

I'm reminded of Jesus' conversation with the Pharisees in regard to healing on the Sabbath. I'm also reminded of the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

What it comes down to, for me, is that if it makes you (the general you) feel better to label people liars, thieves, gossips or whatever else, then so be it. But at the end of the day, only God knows.  But if I could step into God's shoes for a minute (lol)... if I had in front of me a hurricane victim who starved to death and allowed his family to starve to death, I would call him an idiot for not taking undamaged food items from a flooded store. LOL  :D :D

I see. :)

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Two things:

I think this could be a dangerous discussion (but still worthwhile and healthy) because it could possibly enable folks to step in a position of giving a type of judgment that only God really can give. We can determine, assume, assign, reason, or deduce, but really, only God knows whether He would judge a person as a liar because they lied one time for the purpose of saving someone's life.

I'm reminded of Jesus' conversation with the Pharisees in regard to healing on the Sabbath. I'm also reminded of the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

What it comes down to, for me, is that if it makes you (the general you) feel better to label people liars, thieves, gossips or whatever else, then so be it. But at the end of the day, only God knows.  But if I could step into God's shoes for a minute (lol)... if I had in front of me a hurricane victim who starved to death and allowed his family to starve to death, I would call him an idiot for not taking undamaged food items from a flooded store. LOL  :D :D

Interesting points. I think about John 8 when Jesus was condemining the ones who wanted to stone the adulterous woman and He told her to go and sin no more. Jesus could have easily viewed her based on the label of being an adulterous woman and had her stone, but Jesus saw more than that. Jesus saw someone that had made a mistake and deserved a second chance. My gosh that will preach up in here!!!.....LOL!

And now that I think about it 2 conclusions jump to my head:
1) I think I contradicted my first statement....LOL
2) What I said was probably not related to original topic....LOL!

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Interesting points. I think about John 8 when Jesus was condemining the ones who wanted to stone the adulterous woman and He told her to go and sin no more. Jesus could have easily viewed her based on the label of being an adulterous woman and had her stone, but Jesus saw more than that. Jesus saw someone that had made a mistake and deserved a second chance. My gosh that will preach up in here!!!.....LOL!

And now that I think about it 2 conclusions jump to my head:
1) I think I contradicted my first statement....LOL
2) What I said was probably not related to original topic....LOL!

Thats quite alright ;D

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Interesting points. I think about John 8 when Jesus was condemining the ones who wanted to stone the adulterous woman and He told her to go and sin no more. Jesus could have easily viewed her based on the label of being an adulterous woman and had her stone, but Jesus saw more than that. Jesus saw someone that had made a mistake and deserved a second chance. My gosh that will preach up in here!!!.....LOL!

And now that I think about it 2 conclusions jump to my head:
1) I think I contradicted my first statement....LOL
2) What I said was probably not related to original topic....LOL!

Yeah, that's a difficult connection to make because she was still an adulterer. There's no telling whether she and ole boy engaged one time or multiple times, but the Bible clearly identified her as an adulterer.  What we're talking about here is whether or not a person can be labeled a thief if they steal one time.

If that's the case, a lot of y'all (us) are thieves for all the company time that is stolen. All the company pens that end up in our pocketbooks instead of our desks... using company resources for personal needs... etc...

That's really harsh, and quite typical of humankind, as demonstrated in the Bible. I'm glad God isn't like man.

All I know is my label is: REDEEMED!  :)
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Yeah, that's a difficult connection to make because she was still an adulterer. There's no telling whether she and ole boy engaged one time or multiple times, but the Bible clearly identified her as an adulterer.  What we're talking about here is whether or not a person can be labeled a thief if they steal one time.

If that's the case, a lot of y'all (us) are thieves for all the company time that is stolen. All the company pens that end up in our pocketbooks instead of our desks... using company resources for personal needs... etc...

That's really harsh, and quite typical of humankind, as demonstrated in the Bible. I'm glad God isn't like man.

All I know is my label is: REDEEMED!  :)

*Singing a classic 90's gospel song......LOL*

I am redeemed, bought with a price, Jesus has changed my whole liiiifffeee, if anybody ask you, just who I am, tell them, I am redeemed!!

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All I know is my label is: REDEEMED!  :)

And that brings us back to square one... It only takes one time for you to be REDEEMED to be considered REDEEMED

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I think it is just that.  God knows what we are, but he also know that with him we overcome all of that. I don't think this is used to label people but rather to realize that none of us can look at someone else and say she's a fornicator, he's a liar, she's a theif... but to realize that, "such were some of (us)."  Had it not been for the blood, we would be a part of "all liars" having our part in the lake... I think acknowledging that we, without God, are at least one, and probably many of the things mentioned here and many more, magnifies God's grace and the power of the blood that makes us free from the guilt and stain of sin.  It also makes it possible for others who are still under that label of "sinner" which covers it all.  We know and can share with them that it was no doing of our own that made us free, but it was the blood of Jesus, which is available to them as well.  

As far as stepping into the role of God... I don't know if he would condemn someone for trying to adhere to the commandments even if it meant death, if that's all they knew to do.  They would be doing it out of love for God and a desire to please him.  I would hope that God would honor that heart and make another way for them.  

Of course, the question comes to mind, "Is it even stealing if the store is abandoned?" and, "Wouldn't all of those goods eventually be wasted anyway?"  It doesn't seem likely that after a storm, the merchants will come back, rebuild their store, and sell the same food items and stuff that was in the damaged store... maybe, though, idk.    If nothing else, one could come back and pay them after the storm, if it was just in their heart to do right by the store.

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The store isn't abandoned by personal will, but because of an act of God. And furthermore, stealing, according to the "letter of the law" is taking something that doesn't belong to you.

And yeah, I wouldn't think God would condemn someone for doing the right thing either. Calling someone an idiot isn't really condemning them, plus, I put the laughing smileys to indicate I was just joking.  ;D

Honestly, if I were in God's shoes, it would go something like this: Dude, are you serious??? THAT'S what you thought I meant when I said "thou shalt not steal"?? Dude, you can't be serious. You thought I'd punish you for taking bread to feed your family under THOSE circumstances? Come on, dude, what do you think I am, a man???  Oh well, at least you lived holy so you can chill now and reap your reward, but dangggg dude... seriously??? There would be a lot of theatrical hand gestures and popping eyes, too. It would be light-hearted, humorous yelling with a tone that indicated disbelief, not condemnation.... if I were in God's shoes, that is.  LOL  :D
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It only takes one time for you to prophesy to be considered a prophet.  :)
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It only takes one time for you to prophesy to be considered a prophet.  :)

Thats what some believe. :D Whether their prophecy is write or not.
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