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What's up with this..."Which musician is better?
« on: January 28, 2005, 09:55:27 AM »
There is a competitive spirit lurking on this board! BEWARE. When it comes to musicians who are ministering for the Lord, does it really matter who is better than who?

Everyday someone is posting a message like "Who is better....Musician "A" or musician "B". It all may be in good fun, but heed the warning, a competitive spirit does not glorify God.

Examine yourselves....Do I have a competitive spirit. Matt. 13:34b says, "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." What's in your heart is what usually what comes out of you.

If you all are trying to figure out who is the best, you probably are too competitive.

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Re: What's up with this..."Which musician is better?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2005, 09:57:41 AM »
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There is a competitive spirit lurking on this board! BEWARE. When it comes to musicians who are ministering for the Lord, does it really matter who is better than who?

Everyday someone is posting a message like "Who is better....Musician "A" or musician "B". It all may be in good fun, but heed the warning, a competitive spirit does not glorify God.

Examine yourselves....Do I have a competitive spirit. Matt. 13:34b says, "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." What's in your heart is what usually what comes out of you.

If you all are trying to figure out who is the best, you probably are too competitive.


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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2005, 10:39:16 AM »
There are two ways to look at it.  Yes it can be a competitive spirit or how I view it is people expressing their opinion about who they like.  Maybe I'm wrong but the way you say "competitive spirit", makes it sound like we are competing against each other which is not the case.  There is no "best".  But you are entitled to your opinion and if you are confident in your own playing it shouldn't matter who's the "best".

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What's up with this..."Which musician is better?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2005, 10:46:58 AM »
Here is the real issue:  if some one puts a post up people are going to agree with and/or disagree with that view.  I think sometimes people take offense to someone with a different view.  I think all of us are aware that we are musicians, we love the lord, and I think no one is intentional trying to hurt someone.  Let's focus on gospel music--that's what brought all of us here.  I would hate to see some one leave this forum because they were mad about someone else's comment.  So I say let's try to say things in a more pleasing GODLY-type of way.    BE BLESSED!

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2005, 10:55:31 AM »
SisterT, you must have been reading my thoughts.  I was going to post something myself.  When someone ask "Who is better", that (to me is a competative spirit.  But if you ask "which do you like", that isn't.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2005, 11:17:53 AM »
This reply is for "WAYDRUMMER". I can see where SisterT is coming from also, and if you want to post a topic about who your favorite drummer is, then that's fine, but when you are trying to talk about the same tired 3 drummers(Calvin Rodgers, Chris Coleman, Ladell Abrams) over and over again about which one is best, it sounds boring and competitive for this forum! :wink:

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2005, 12:44:32 PM »
the people that post stuff like that are not trying to be competitive they are just saying who they like the best. There is nothing wrong with giving these accomplished musicians props for their God given talent! and you cant judge someone and say they are competitive just b/c they like one drummer more than the other.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2005, 01:03:32 PM »
Hey family,  Grace and peace!!! I can always count on Sister T and 4 his Glory to put us back into perspective... It does seem that we get a little competitive from time to time....Let us just help each other as much as possible!!!!  We all have our favorites, but that does not make him/her the "best".....    come on people "focus"!!!!!!!    Domonic you are a "nut"  your comments have me rolling!!!!!!   "Amen"

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2005, 01:53:22 PM »
I agree Sister T. We have to stay focus. If you enjoy their style that's fine. But going back and forth comparing them is another things. We are here trying to perfect each other, not compete. The bible says, "iron strengthens iron."  Not competition.  And really, does it matter who is better. No it doesn't.  Because we do this to the glory of God. If he is better than me. Great. If I'm better than her, fine. But what did I profit? Absolutely nothing. Its not going to change my style of playing. So why sweat it. Stay focus and stay blessed.

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What's up with this..."Which musician is better?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2005, 04:06:41 PM »
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Maybe I'm wrong but the way you say "competitive spirit", makes it sound like we are competing against each other which is not the case.  There is no "best".  But you are entitled to your opinion and if you are confident in your own playing it shouldn't matter who's the "best".


You may not be competing with one another.....yet!!!

Yes, you can have your opinion as to who is your favorite artist, but when you say Who is better than who, that's where competion comes in. A competition is finding out who is beter than who at a certain thing, and in fact when you post "Who is better..." that is what you are doing.

You also stated:
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Let's focus on gospel music--that's what brought all of us here.


My attempts to bring things into proper perspective, was in fact to help us all get back on track. It's time to move on from "Who is better than Who" to, maybe "WHo is your favorite artist!"

Waydrummer, from all the responses & other than yourself., we, JoyCh, 4HisGlory, Hamondy, Sonor J, & ddwe4 have all agreed that the posts are of a competitive nature. That speaks volumes.

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What's up with this..."Which musician is better?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2005, 04:12:43 PM »
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 So I say let's try to say things in a more pleasing GODLY-type of way.    BE BLESSED!


Exactly what was ungodly. You need to point that out to me. I gave you the Word, and offered correction. Why is it that when people get corrected, they call it ungodly?

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2005, 04:15:47 PM »
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Hey Elder E...you have changed your name to "Hammondy"!! When did this happen?

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2005, 01:27:03 PM »
Sister T I'm sorry, I wasn'\t refering to you  specifically when I said "Godly".I was refering to other people who try to put other people down when they make a comment.  And I was saying as a whole community lets be careful about what we say so we don't offend each other.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2005, 02:25:31 PM »
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Sister T I'm sorry, I wasn'\t refering to you  specifically when I said "Godly".I was refering to other people who try to put other people down when they make a comment.  And I was saying as a whole community lets be careful about what we say so we don't offend each other.


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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2005, 10:10:39 AM »
You will never get people to admit when they have a spirit of competition. Trust me, it is bigger in the church than anywhere else. I know because I grew up in church although I am not a gospel player. I do music professionally with non Christian artist and there is not as much competition. In fact, in the secular industry, individuality and differences are accepted more than in the church. A long time ago, I posted that gospel music is not an art form where self expression is really accepted. It is more so discouraged. People box you in and really want you to sound a certain way, or you are not considered a good player.

It is so sad. I have never seen as much competition as I do in the church. People will hide behind God, but in their hearts, they are really about competition and getting attention. They use words like "annointed" and say things about the spirit moving when they operate out of self. In fact, it is pretty common in church. It has become the norm rather than a minority thing.

The post is not what necessarily made me write this, but it did need to be said. Regardless of how you state it, it is vain.

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2005, 11:59:24 AM »
:D Praise the Lord!!!!! SisterT, I've always wanted to tell you that your picture by your post is cool. Now every time I even hear the letter T, that picture pops up in my head. Is that a real drawing of you? :D  8)
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2005, 02:53:25 PM »
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:D Praise the Lord!!!!! SisterT, I've always wanted to tell you that your picture by your post is cool. Now every time I even hear the letter T, that picture pops up in my head. Is that a real drawing of you? :D  8)


Thanks & LOL!!! :lol:  The picture fits me...I am a hat wearing Diva (I also make them)! And, I am not a diva in a negative sense.

Diva defined as - a usually glamorous female personality;  *a fashion diva*.
THAT'S ME!


I use to change avatars a lot. I have a lot of "Hat wearing pictures I use". I loved this one so much, that it has stuck with me for a while.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2005, 11:37:56 PM »
8O AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!! THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU SHOULD START A TOPIC PAGE ON THAT ALONE! SOME OF THESE SO CALLED HOLY GHOST FILLED MUSICIANS NEED TO HERE ABOUT THIS YO!!!!! :wink:

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2005, 06:39:45 AM »
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You will never get people to admit when they have a spirit of competition. Trust me, it is bigger in the church than anywhere else. I know because I grew up in church although I am not a gospel player. I do music professionally with non Christian artist and there is not as much competition. In fact, in the secular industry, individuality and differences are accepted more than in the church. A long time ago, I posted that gospel music is not an art form where self expression is really accepted. It is more so discouraged. People box you in and really want you to sound a certain way, or you are not considered a good player.

It is so sad. I have never seen as much competition as I do in the church. People will hide behind God, but in their hearts, they are really about competition and getting attention. They use words like "annointed" and say things about the spirit moving when they operate out of self. In fact, it is pretty common in church. It has become the norm rather than a minority thing.

The post is not what necessarily made me write this, but it did need to be said. Regardless of how you state it, it is vain.


I agree 100%.  No, 10,000%.  As a secular and church artist, I can compare the two arenas and say that never, never ever in the secular world have I experienced the feel of competition as I have in church.  Musicians are measuring themselves against one another---circling like dogs--sniffing each other out (choirs too) to see who is going to out play, out sing, out shout, and of course be the loudest of who.  It's sickening.  

Secondly, I have never seen such rude musicians as some of the church musicians I've encountered.  What makes musicians think they can play along on my choirs songs (WITHOUT ASKING if I'd like them to or not). Plus, they play louder than I'm playing!  It is absolutely the rudest thing I've seen.  I never play when others are singing or playing.  I wasn't at their rehearsals and would be unthinkable to me to jump in and start plunking along.   On a secular gig, I have never witnessed a musician playing with another band or singer uninvited.

All of this is (and many other things) are factoring in my decisions to eventually end my playing in church.  This issue is up there at the top of my list.  I detest visiting other churches and I detest my church hosting a fellowship event as well--for all of the reasons mentioned above.

Finally, this spirit of competition is one (one of many) reasons I rarely post or share information anymore on here.  It seems to be a lot of young, ebonic-talking, competitive people here.  (NOT ALL) but a good majority.  "Who has the phattest chords", "who has some new preachin' chords...I'm talking out-the-box"...etc.  THAT is a spirit of competition too.  If yours are already "all-that" figure it out yourself.

Let me stop--my blood pressure is going up...lol!!! :D

Thank you Sister T for bringing this subject up.

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2005, 07:42:40 AM »
Woowwwww.....TheyKeyNote has posted!!!!! :D

I am going to make a statement here that folks may not agree with but I think one of the biggest problems is the vast majority of church musicians are not professional musicians and will never be but they think they are.

With that said, there is nothing wrong with being a church musician, because we as church musicians can still be used by God.  But I think that a line needs to be put between the Church Musician and the Professional Musician.
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