Well I'll agree to disagree. I gave scriptures to support everything I have said. I still have not called a Pastor a mediator as there is only one mediator. Still confused how this could possibly be called unbiblical. How many stories are in the Bible where a person sought counsel from their head?
Listed below are the comments I find to be dangerously wild (and wildly dangerous) doctrines. When I made that assertion, I was referring to the first two statements. But after those, you also made other statements that I found to be flawed:
Confessions should always be made to the head.
If our sin separates us from God, we can't take it to him ourselves. So we take it to the Pastor so that we can be restored and repent.
However, we cannot go to the throne of grace in sin.
Who is more qualified to Pray for you then your Pastor.
Who is more spiritual than your Pastor???
I'm not even going to bother to respond to each one. I'll just say that without the balance added by Nessa, Jonathan, and whoever else, those assertions are really very dangerous.
And to answer this question: “But how can a priest who is defeated in a thing take his sacrifice into the holiest of holies???” By repenting. Thanks to the blood of Jesus Christ, all we have to do in order to be made whole is repent. After repentance, we are freed and made whole, our hands are clean and our slate is clean. Our sins are removed from us as far as the east is from the west. We are able to start all over again with a full expectation of triumph and victory. This can be achieved without a pastor, although I can understand that some newer/weaker saints might need guidance or assistance with repentance or counsel for restoration. The ONLY person you need to make you whole is Jesus Christ, the righteous.
I don't mean to cause offense. I just get a little edgy when people make claims like that, and in essence, deify their pastors. Pastors aren't God, and they're not even super spiritual or by default more spiritual than a non-pastor. That's erroneous and dangerous.
Alright... so my question to all who think i'm crazy and making up unbiblical things. What is repentance? Did you truly repent if you return to thing you said you repentd from? If not then to whom do you seek help from?
I am not putting a Pastor on a pedestal. Never once said a Pastor was an intermediary or God himself. I said that he could restore us because he is supposed to be our head in the church.
Where does the Bible state that in sin we can go to the throne of grace? To take it further... where does the Bible state that God allows sin in his presence?
Me stating that your Pastor is most qualified to pray for you is not to say he is the only one that is/will/or will ever pray for you. I am speaking specifically in regards to the topic at hand. So, as stated before.. What, scripturally, is wrong with that.
Again, I am not saying that the Pastor is our mediator. I don't know about you but I have had things that I thought I repented for and I could not seem to find a way to defeat it. My goal is to live Holy and see God's face in peace. So I take it to the Pastor whom God set me under so that he can help me.
NO offense taken. I would do the same thing if I felt that way. However, no one is given me scripture to refute what I have said. But merely telling me I'm unbiblical, and stating dangerously wild Doctrines.
Repentance is not just a word that we say. It's a lifestyle. And if I've truly repented I won't find myself doing it again. If I tell God I repent and find myself doing it again, then what do i do? What if it becomes a cycle, then what do i do?
2 Cor 7:8-11 (KJV)
8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. 9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.When I repent that is my goal. To see it the way God's sees it so that my life is a life that is bent on getting it right. I can understand if you don't agree. What I don't understand is the other comments being made.
