Wav files on an i-pod

[docjohn]

Anybody try putting Wav files on a classic i-Pod??? 

My friends says his MOM wants to go that way;maybe doing some backing tracks.

Sounds good-but will it work?

[under13]

Won't work in my experience. It works on the iphone for some reason though.

[Fenix]

Even the iPod TOuch won't accept .wav files. It won't sync them and won't recognize them since the latest Apple iOS update. Half my iPod's library was erased when I updated. I had to go through the trouble of converting my files to mp3 format.

[under13]

I can see em on my (now dead) ipod classic, but it just skips over them to play the next non wav song.

[docjohn]

cool bros-thks

I told him-why not just MP3? to start with.I guess some MP3 's lack a little according to folks audio wise.I haven't heard that,never been an issue.

[phbrown]

cool bros-thks

I told him-why not just MP3? to start with.I guess some MP3 's lack a little according to folks audio wise.I haven't heard that,never been an issue.

mp3's is supposed to stop at the limits of human hearing. Meaning if there is a sound to high or too low for us to hear it removes it.

[Fenix]

It must be awesome to be you, ph. You just know everything.

[phbrown]

It must be awesome to be you, ph. You just know everything.

It is



but you know who else is awesome (aside from yourself of course)

[gtrdave]

mp3's is supposed to stop at the limits of human hearing. Meaning if there is a sound to high or too low for us to hear it removes it.

That's what they want you to think. 
It's called perceptual coding and it's a means of removing the lesser audible sounds in order to free up data/space.
The problem is that the process (depending on the endocde/decode type) does remove sounds that we do hear, but maybe we don't know that we're hearing as much as other sounds which are more in the forefront. Part of the coding process is to compensate for the loss by enhancement equalization, audio compression, etc...

Anyway, none of this answers why iPods can't play .wav files, the biggest reason being that .wav is a Microsoft and IBM audio format. If you want to use an uncompressed audio file on an iPod, use .aif instead.

[phbrown]

That's what they want you to think. 
It's called perceptual coding and it's a means of removing the lesser audible sounds in order to free up data/space.
The problem is that the process (depending on the endocde/decode type) does remove sounds that we do hear, but maybe we don't know that we're hearing as much as other sounds which are more in the forefront. Part of the coding process is to compensate for the loss by enhancement equalization, audio compression, etc...

Anyway, none of this answers why iPods can't play .wav files, the biggest reason being that .wav is a Microsoft and IBM audio format. If you want to use an uncompressed audio file on an iPod, use .aif instead.

really? wow learned something new about the lesser audible part Thank you

[gtrdave]

really? wow learned something new about the lesser audible part Thank you

Yeah, I learned this from being part of many A-B comparison tests using all kinds of audio samples.
For example, we'd take an uncompressed PCM file and compare it to an encoded/decoded mp3 file from the same source.
Sum the files, use phase cancellation to remove the similarities and listen to what's left; the lost audio data from the "lossy" process.
I was amazed at just how much audible high-end and low-end content was missing!
Mp3 files, even those compressed to 256kbps, are missing things that you would normally hear, imho.

[docjohn]

Dave-is that why (despite limitations) old vinyl still sounds good?

If Darrell wants to try that aif file type-how where would he do that?I assume the aif is a direct load to the i-pod?

[gtrdave]

Dave-is that why (despite limitations) old vinyl still sounds good?

Vinyl sounds good because it's analog. Digital audio...anything digital for that matter...is nothing more than points of reference across a period of time. Where analog is an unbroken string of info, digital is like little snapshots along that unbroken string, but it still fails to capture the entire string of information. Of course, the higher the digital resolution, the more snapshots or points of reference there are and the better the quality will be.

If Darrell wants to try that aif file type-how where would he do that?I assume the aif is a direct load to the i-pod?

ITunes can create aif files just as it can create mp3 and Apple Lossless files. The settings are in the Preferences menu, usually under "import settings". The file can be loaded to the iPod via iTunes.

[Fenix]

gtrdave is god...

 

[gtrdave]

gtrdave is god...

 

Not hardly.
This is just a subject I know a little more than less-than-nothing about. 
Don't worry. Once the conversation gets more complex I'll start playing dumb again...

[LaylaMonroe]

gtrdave is god...

 

Wow. I say stuff like that all the time, but I've never had the courage to use it on LGM.

You, my friend, are... well.... you know....

[phbrown]

Not hardly.
This is just a subject I know a little more than less-than-nothing about. 
Don't worry. Once the conversation gets more complex I'll start playing dumb again...

[gtrdave]

wow just wow

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Hay, mister dave, do you know anything about the compression methods of the Ogg Vorbis format?

I know very little about it other than people that I know who have used it to compress audio claim that it's "better" than the average mp3 compression, bit-rate for bit-rate.