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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: bishopcole on March 26, 2006, 08:43:46 PM
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Now if yall are like me, you struggle with this debate on whicn organ sounds the best. Now be honest and careful cause if you REALLY play these "BEASTS",it will not be as easy as you think it will be to answer! God bless, Bishop Lamar Cole
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You can't leave out the A100's, also the same as both, just in a different housing. I think I like the A100's bass a little better.
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You can't leave out the A100's, also the same as both, just in a different housing. I think I like the A100's bass a little better.
Yes this is true because the frequency is set lower on the A100 than the other two, but the leslie is what brings the organs to life. Bishop Cole
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bishop-I learned on an A100 but today I play the C3 and B#. Which do I prefer. Hands down. The Hammond B3 w/147 Leslie. By the way, I'm in the process of adding another Leslie, 147 to my configuration.
-Al
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a100 is the best bcuz it is a genuine b3 in a different case but its a lot punchier..........
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C3 all the way. Mine is hooked up withe the coveted 771 leslie and let me tell you it is a monster. The C3 is only a year old. Electronic amp and everything else........the C3 is the best
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The A100 is the best sounding organ that I've ever heard. It's a B3 but it has reverb added to the sound. It sounds soo punchy
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bishop-I learned on an A100 but today I play the C3 and B#. Which do I prefer. Hands down. The Hammond B3 w/147 Leslie. By the way, I'm in the process of adding another Leslie, 147 to my configuration.
-Al
Al, have you thought about just adding the 771 leslie? It will do the job of two 147's. Just a thought! Bishop Cole
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The A100 is the best sounding organ that I've ever heard. It's a B3 but it has reverb added to the sound. It sounds soo punchy
Josh, may I ask you how long have you been playing? Bishop Cole
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C3 all the way. Mine is hooked up withe the coveted 771 leslie and let me tell you it is a monster. The C3 is only a year old. Electronic amp and everything else........the C3 is the best
Doc, you really have a beast on your hands then. Take good care of it! Bishop Cole
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Ok organ gurus, lets keep them coming. I know that there are several more organs players out there, NOW LET ME HERE YOU SOUND OFF!!!! Bishop Cole
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I've been playing for 10 years :)
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The organ I play on at church is actually the New b3 though I just heard that A100s sound really good
My setup at church is a New Hammond Organ B3 with midi capabilities
I have 2 leslies hooked up to it
A Leslie 771 and Leslie 122XB
It sounds very good
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we also have the organ mic'd up with 2 sm 57 shure dynamic microphones
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The organ I play on at church is actually the New b3 though I just heard that A100s sound really good
My setup at church is a New Hammond Organ B3 with midi capabilities
I have 2 leslies hooked up to it
A Leslie 771 and Leslie 122XB
It sounds very good
Josh, you must be playing at a big church with all that power with the two best leslies hammond makes! Bishop Cole
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we also have the organ mic'd up with 2 sm 57 shure dynamic microphones
Are yall recording services? Is that why you have them miked? Bishop Cole
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no one take offense i am only voicing my opinion but these new suzuki digital hammonds are horrible
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no the church actually only seats about maximum 400. We just like alot of noise. Yes we do record the services. We come on local television. When you mic an organ that actually makes it sound better too.
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Bishop-in response to your question, i have not concern'd an 771 series Leslie. Can you give me add'l inforation ?
In addition, should I set-up Leslies on both side of my organ? Or should I put one in the back or across the church? Should I suspend one ?
-AL
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no the church actually only seats about maximum 400. We just like alot of noise. Yes we do record the services. We come on local television. When you mic an organ that actually makes it sound better too.
Yes this true, it will make the organ sound good only if the sound system is great!. Bishop Cole
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For me it doesn't matter whther it is a b3 or a c3, just as long as it is in excellent fully working order!
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Like a piano, each organ sounds a little different. However, a B3 and C3 are basically the same instrument in a different body so the sound from one to the other should not be to drastic.
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I have an A100/122 Leslie. B3/C3/A100 no real difference other than wood.
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I have an A100/122 Leslie. B3/C3/A100 no real difference other than wood.
i'm not sure about this. I learned on a A100/122, and now I play a B3/147. I prefer the A100 hands down.
-Al
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I have an A100/122 Leslie. B3/C3/A100 no real difference other than wood.
i'm not sure about this. I learned on a A100/122, and now I play a B3/147. I prefer the A100 hands down.
-Al
Many people say that but I think that there are small differences with all three of them. I play a B3 with a 122 leslie and it will get"UGLY" in service real quick! Bishop Cole
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For me it doesn't matter whther it is a b3 or a c3, just as long as it is in excellent fully working order!
I feel ya Mike!
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there is a little more difference that wood, but its an obvious one......A-100 has an internal speaker
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there is a little more difference that wood, but its an obvious one......A-100 has an internal speaker
This is so true. Thank you for this fact! Bishop Cole
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About wat Al i think was sayin bout the 771. It is the loudest speaker created by hammond. It is 4 times as powerful as a 122,122xb,122t,147...222...pretty much all of them except those will 11 pin plugs escept the 122 xb. It will definetly not have that warm tube sound but it will do damage 2 many peoples ears if used correctly.
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Yes this is true because the frequency is set lower on the A100 than the other two, but the leslie is what brings the organs to life. Bishop Cole
Just wanted to comment on this post.
The frequency actually isn't lower on the A100. True, the A100 is more bassy only when the organ techs wire the Leslie connector kit to the built-in amp/speaker terminals in the A100. However, if they wire it from the G-G terminals as they are supposed to, the sound is identical to the C-3/B-3.
Sound organists like the sound from the A100 when it is incorrectly wired because it causes more overdrive and louder bass. However, it can shorten Leslie amp life because the impedence (ohm-load) from the A100 amp is different than the impedence from the G-G terminals; and it could shorten Leslie driver life from the overdrive.
I agree the sound seems to be a little more attractive from an improperly connected A100-122/147 setup. However, for the clean Hammond sound, and maximum equipment life, it does need to be connected in the correct manner.
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I have an A100/122 Leslie. B3/C3/A100 no real difference other than wood.
i'm not sure about this. I learned on a A100/122, and now I play a B3/147. I prefer the A100 hands down.
-Al
I also wanted to comment on this one....2 possibilities as to why you prefer the A100 you played. The first one could be in the Leslie hookup as I described in the previous post withthe different sound or the most likely reason is the difference in the 122 and 147 leslie sound.
The 122 is smoother, most people prefer it for jazz music. The 147 has a more harsh sound,and contrary to what people always write on here, it seems to be preferred in gospel music and rock music(classic rock). I think some people just see a leslie and assume its the 122 just from the look of it, and in reality it may be a 147.
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I can't decide! I got the c3 at home and the b3 at the church. But in all honesty I love the sound on the c3 a little more than the b3.
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I personally am partial to the A-100's as well. I own one at home and it has a deep tone bass. However, it really depends on the individual personality of each organ. Whether it be an A-100, B-3, or C-3, the individual organ and leslie combo play a big role in the kind of sound and feel you get. As in a previous post, some leslies give different feel and sounds. Most of all, I want one that is in GOOD WORKING ORDER ;)
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If you were to place 2 of the same model organs (As, Bs, Cs, or RTs) in the same room, hooked up to 2 of the same model Leslie speakers and 2 PR-40 tone cabinets (minus the A-100 since one is already equipped with the PR-40), you are logically supposed to produce the same sound, but you don't. The age of the wood encasing the speakers have an impact on the way the sound waves bounce off of them. Also, each instrument is hand crafted by different people in different model years, and each instrument is treated differently once it is purchased. So, no Hammond organ sounds exactly the same, but I would obviously prefer Hammonds with a deep bass and a screaming treble. The A-100s that I've played on seem to have that combination more than the other models, but the model doesn't really matter to me.
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C3 all the way. I grew up in my home church playing a C3. As long as it's tuned and you have a powerful leslie, you can't be that.
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I have a leslie 771 and a leslie 122 hooked up to my new hammond b3. the leslie 771 isn't quite warm enough. To make it sound right you need that leslie 122. The 771 is loud but it sounds too clean and plastic. You will need a leslie 147 or leslie 122 to warm up the sound and add that 3 dimensional edge to it
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I have a leslie 771 and a leslie 122 hooked up to my new hammond b3. the leslie 771 isn't quite warm enough. To make it sound right you need that leslie 122. The 771 is loud but it sounds too clean and plastic. You will need a leslie 147 or leslie 122 to warm up the sound and add that 3 dimensional edge to it
Yes, I still tell people that you cannot beat the 122 leslie sound. I will live and die with that leslie by my side!! ;) Bishop Cole
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I have a leslie 771 and a leslie 122 hooked up to my new hammond b3. the leslie 771 isn't quite warm enough. To make it sound right you need that leslie 122. The 771 is loud but it sounds too clean and plastic. You will need a leslie 147 or leslie 122 to warm up the sound and add that 3 dimensional edge to it
A....you kno wat...that is a good idea u got right there.....to use the 122 for the warm sound and the 771 to back it up.....but i have 1 question......how do u have both of those cabinets connected to 1 organ because u cane connect a 6 pin leslie and a 11 pin leslie on the same organ.....unless u have the 122 xb
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OK I have at home a RT3 with a Leslie 147 and a HR40 tone cab! Thats Killer for the house i feel the concrete foundation moving! I enjoy the tone cabs with a leslie b/c of the mello sound you get from the tone cab, and the scream from the leslie! but at church I have an A100 miced w/ a lez 147! It get the job done b/c our church went all out for sound. I think they over did it in our new sanct! God Bless
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I have heard that they have the same insides but they sound different to me. I notice a difference in the B3 organs with the square drawbars versus the round drawbars.
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I have to agree. The 122's and 147's do give the warmest "Hammond" sound. At the church that I am playing for, they just purchased an A-100 that came with a 750 Leslie. True it's a solid state and doesn't have tubes in it. However, it's not quite giving me the sound that I am looking for. It was a great deal because the organ and speaker only cost $2995. So I was thanking the Lord for guiding us to that deal. The organ is in great working order too. But that speaker just isn't doing it for me. It's an 11 pin connector. The church had a 21E Leslie speaker which is a 6 pin connection that was hooked up to an old hammond D-series organ from the 1940's. So I suppose I will have to deal with the 750 for a while. :-\
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A....you kno wat...that is a good idea u got right there.....to use the 122 for the warm sound and the 771 to back it up.....but i have 1 question......how do u have both of those cabinets connected to 1 organ because u cane connect a 6 pin leslie and a 11 pin leslie on the same organ.....unless u have the 122 xb
Hammond made a different version of the Leslie 122 called the Leslie 122XB. It's the same as the leslie 122 except it has 11 pins.
PS. When you play an organ through these two leslies. The 771's grittyness coupled with the 122's beauty produces a rich organ tone.
IT WILL SOUND AWESOME
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OH OKAY MY BAD C3. YOU WERE RIGHT I DO HAVE THE LESLIE 122XB. I DIDN"T SEE THE LAST WORD IN YOUR POST
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Sure man....no problem.....
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I was told that the C3 was identical to the B# except for the body style.
I guess not
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I was told that the C3 was identical to the B# except for the body style.
I guess not
No you're right, they are the same except for the wooden casing. The only reason to prefer one over the other is whether or not you want your feet to be exposed when you're playing pedals.
Also, a Hammond cannot be tuned, and doesnt need to be. You do need to oil it.
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YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING.
I HAVEN'T POSTED OUT OF THIS WHOLE THREAD.
I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE WHICH MODEL I PLAY OUT OF THE B3 C3 AND A100.
REASON BEING IS B/C (IF YOU WANT TO ADDMIT TO IT OR NOT) EVER SINGLE ORGAN EVER MADE,(ok im exagerating a little) DOESN'T HAVE AN IDENTICAL SOUND TO ANOTHER ORGAN OF THE SAME EXACT MODEL.
THINK ABOUT IT; EVERYONE KEEPS REPEATEDLY SAYING THAT THE B3 AND C3 HAS THE SAME EXACT GUTS, BUT YET IF YOU PLAY 2 B3'S OR C3'S RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, YOU WILL HEAR AT THE VERY LEAST A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN TONE,OVERDRIVE,BASS,TREBLE,ECT.
IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE ME READ THIS.
EVERY ORGAN DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE SAME TORTURE THAT THE NEXT ORGAN WENT THROUGH. SOME ORGANS WERE BOUGHT AND TOURED, OTHERS WERE BOUGHT AND PUT IN CHURCHS, OTHERS WERE BOUGHT AND PUT INTO BASEMENTS FOR COMPLETE TORTURE FOR PRACTICE, SOME WERE BOUGHT AND SAT IN LIVE LIVING ROOMS AND COLLECTED DUST, AND SOME WERE BOUGHT AND PUT INTO STUDIOS, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
SO, SINCE THE USE OF EVERY ORGAN WASN'T USED TO THE SAME EXTENT, EVER ORGAN ISN'T IN THE SAME CONDITION AS THE NEXT ONE.
EVAN IF THE ORGAN WAS SERVICED REGUALRLY IT ALSO COULD HAVE SOME DAMAGE THAT CAN'T BE SERVICED, FIXED, OR REPLACED.
SO IN CLOSING (lol), THERE IS NO WAY THE YOU CAN SAY THAT ONE ORGAN SOUNDS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
JUST SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN MESSED UP BETTER THAN THE OTHER. lol
HOLLA
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THINK ABOUT IT; EVERYONE KEEPS REPEATEDLY SAYING THAT THE B3 AND C3 HAS THE SAME EXACT GUTS, BUT YET IF YOU PLAY 2 B3'S OR C3'S RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, YOU WILL HEAR AT THE VERY LEAST A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN TONE,OVERDRIVE,BASS,TREBLE,ECT.
You're exactly right. The difference in sound between a B3 and a C3 is the same as the difference in sound between one B3 and another.
The year actually has a lot to do with the differences in sound. The real early ones used wax caps which tend to drift, the ones from the 70s they werent as careful as they were about to end production.
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man you can give me any of the three work horses as long as it has been serviced
dont give me a ongan with dirty contacts and worn out busbars
If I had to choose I would say a C3 because the casing is enclosed I am not trying to put on a show with my footwork
;D
I agree. As long as it is serviced and in good working order I can make it sound off.
(speak things that are not as though they are)
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I was told that the C3 was identical to the B# except for the body style.
I guess not
You are right. The B3 and C3 are the EXACT SAME instrument.
The C3 has a case made to match a church interior. It also has a solid back on it so you can't see up a woman's dress -- if for instance the organ was sitting on a raised stage.
Both are superior to an A-100 if ya axe me.
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Both are superior to an A-100 if ya axe me.
Why?
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Because the B3 and C3 were the top of the line. Made to be used with an external tone cabinet or leslie.
The A100 was more for home use or for where space was a consideration.
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Yes, but it's the exact same organ, with speakers and a smaller case. I like them better than B3s or C3s because they are easier to move . . . and the added speakers are nice.
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I have to agree with many other organists. Our church just recently got a A-100. And I like it better than a B-3 or a C-3, mainly because of how it has internal speakers which makes hearing yourself playing easiler. Secondly is the bass which is produced when you have a powerful leslie and the internal speakers. ;D ;D ;D
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B3 all the way baby!
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are we talking about the sound or are we talking about which cabinet we like better cuz thats the on real difference between the three as far as church is concerned the does get a lil more on the bass bcuz it has the internal speakers
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are we talking about the sound or are we talking about which cabinet we like better cuz thats the on real difference between the three as far as church is concerned the does get a lil more on the bass bcuz it has the internal speakers
We SHOULD be talking about cabinet, because other than the speakers in the A100 that's the only difference. But some people remain convinced there is a difference in sound between the models.
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B3 and C3 are the same. So if you think you prefer the sound of one over the other, what you really preferred was the sound of that specific organ on that specific leslie in that specific place you played it on. You could play the same kind of organ in a diff. room or with a different leslie (even if it's the same type of leslie) and it would sound diff. With this kind of analog equipment it's just like old studio gear, no 2 specific instruments will sound exactly the same even if they have the same model name.
But, just to clear it up, the B3 and C3 are the SAME instrument with a different look.
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B3 and C3 are the same. So if you think you prefer the sound of one over the other, what you really preferred was the sound of that specific organ on that specific leslie in that specific place you played it on. You could play the same kind of organ in a diff. room or with a different leslie (even if it's the same type of leslie) and it would sound diff. With this kind of analog equipment it's just like old studio gear, no 2 specific instruments will sound exactly the same even if they have the same model name.
But, just to clear it up, the B3 and C3 are the SAME instrument with a different look.
YOU BETTA PREACH!!!
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HA HA HA HE MESS UP YOUR POST WITH THE TRUTH ;D ;D ;D
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B3 and C3 are the same. So if you think you prefer the sound of one over the other, what you really preferred was the sound of that specific organ on that specific leslie in that specific place you played it on. You could play the same kind of organ in a diff. room or with a different leslie (even if it's the same type of leslie) and it would sound diff. With this kind of analog equipment it's just like old studio gear, no 2 specific instruments will sound exactly the same even if they have the same model name.
But, just to clear it up, the B3 and C3 are the SAME instrument with a different look.
+1000