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Title: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BassMan2000 on July 07, 2006, 08:44:09 PM
I was told that I was not a dedicated musician by my Pastor!

I was ask to play for another Choir at Church, but I said no.  And
then I was told that I was not dedicated.

I already play for the Male Choir and the Adult. That includes the
8am and 11am service and practice on Tuesday and Thursday. I also play for there Special Services and I
do all this for FREE.

Now I play at Home.

They want me back , but I can't do it.
I think I'll start charging MONEY.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: musiqisme26 on July 07, 2006, 08:57:46 PM
charge-yes

while the church or persons that be maybe ungrateful keep in mind that God see's ya and im sure he isnt ungrateful for your faithfulness and your work concerning ministry
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Cone on July 07, 2006, 09:26:54 PM
Pray about it and God will make a way.  Obviously they are ungrateful. You are human and you can only do so much.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: bassmanundertaker on July 08, 2006, 09:50:35 AM
you should let them know that you are dedicated to your "CHURCH HOME & FAMILY" not others....I agree start charging and then they will see what dedication is.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: uriahsmusic on July 08, 2006, 10:27:06 AM
,,,well now....is your pastor a silly person given to say things to you that are simply untrue?...Go to your pastor and find out why that was said.....If your Pastor is not just talking stuff...he might have an answer for you that will help you greatly!....so put on your humble shoes and ask why he said that...and dont interrupt with defending yourself while he speaks...just hear the answer and think it over!
URIAH HAS SPOKEN!


I was told that I was not a dedicated musician by my Pastor!

I was ask to play for another Choir at Church, but I said no.  And
then I was told that I was not dedicated.

I already play for the Male Choir and the Adult. That includes the
8am and 11am service and practice on Tuesday and Thursday. I also play for there Special Services and I
do all this for FREE.

Now I play at Home.

They want me back , but I can't do it.
I think I'll start charging MONEY.

Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Andrzej on July 08, 2006, 10:34:15 AM
I feel that!  I played for a church 4yrs ago and they gave me the same guilt trip.  Even though I played every Sunday morning and evening service, played for the youth choir on their thursday service and at their performances at other churches and ministry events, played at all of the churches conferences, rehearsed twice a week and I had to travel over 25 miles to the Church on each occasion (one way!)....I went on a three week vacation after not having any type of vacation for over 5yrs and when I got back I was told by the ministry leader that I was not dedicated!  They had a big conference that was going out on live cable TV and the guy that filled in didn't know how to play most of the songs and wasn't very tight with the rest of the band...so, it was decided it was my fault!  If I was ill or needed a break I had no-one to cover me as there was a distinct lack of bassist in the church, so when I needed time off my ministry leader got really snotty about it.  There was too much demand on me and it was affecting my personal life as all my spare time to spend with my family and friends was being taken over as I was the only bass player to cover a lot of work.  I was also working a day job at that time, so I wouldn't get home much before 10pm most evenings as I would go straight to the church after I finished work. So, I decided to step down and coach some of the younger guys coming through the youth choir.

I was also asked to come back after a few months and I still said no as my heart was with the young guys that I was coaching.  As a result they now have 4 young, gifted and very enthusiastic bass players that are rotored every week, so they are never stuck without a solid and experienced bass player.

The only advice I can give is pray about it and have a private meeting with your pastor, ministry leader or even better still, both together!  You must be straight up and honest about how you feel.  Your hear is in your music and in the way that you help to deliver God's word through your instrument.  It takes dedication to do that alone.  Your time at home and your time at Church should be balanced otherwise on or the other will suffer...it's the same with an other job. You need to make that very clear.  If they value your contribution to the Church they should honour that.  If not, I'm afraid your ministry team will always have the same problem with other musicians by being too demanding on their personal time.  Remember, you give your time and musicianship to the glory of God!  Every note you play no matter how many or how few puts a smile on his face and he will bless you.  Pray about it and the answers will become clear as to what you should do.  If you need to take a break or get back to it God will speak to you.  He knows your heart and he will make the paths for you.
God Bless you.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: MikeGee on July 08, 2006, 11:38:26 AM

URIAH HAS SPOKEN!



Man I just got some chills hearing that.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Bullitt on July 08, 2006, 12:52:50 PM
I agree whole heartedly with everything that Uriah and Andrzej have said.  It's not about what people think, they're human and will make mistakes just like the rest of us.  Only what you do for Christ really matters.


God Bless,
-J

Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: carlmack7183 on July 08, 2006, 07:45:20 PM
The only reason he's upset is b/c he knows that the service will lack without a good bass player. That's all. i would charge from now on b/c that was wrong of him to do that.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: teebassist on July 08, 2006, 09:40:58 PM
Be the very best you can be at what you do and charge folks. I've found that people have more respect for you if they are paying for your service and it cuts down on the drama.
It seems that if you work for less people tend to want more out of you and longer hours.
Considering the cost of gas, guitar strings, musical equipment and your time I don't see how you are being ungrateful. Learn to read music if you don't already know how. I once heard a preacher
teaching about how if you don't get the proper training (education) you are setting yourself up to be used.
                That's my spin on it.
                                           Tee
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: lumbebear1 on July 08, 2006, 10:30:15 PM
,,,well now....is your pastor a silly person given to say things to you that are simply untrue?...Go to your pastor and find out why that was said.....If your Pastor is not just talking stuff...he might have an answer for you that will help you greatly!....so put on your humble shoes and ask why he said that...and dont interrupt with defending yourself while he speaks...just hear the answer and think it over!
URIAH HAS SPOKEN!



Good Advice uriah
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Cherri on July 08, 2006, 10:57:35 PM
Good Advice uriah

Agreed.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: TPCPastor on July 08, 2006, 11:47:20 PM
Ok Folks,

I am new to the forum here...But I am a Pastor, so maybe I can offer a pastors perspective.  I can say I have been often misunderstood.  I have seen many talents wasted over a misunderstanding. I would go to my pastor and as Uriah said...Put on those humble shoes
... and hear what the man has to say.  As far as quitting and staying home...My question would be

1. Why are you playing?  To worship the LORD? For entertainment?
2. Who are you playing for?  For the KING of KINGS?  For the church?
3. Is your ministry for sale?

Brother...you might offend me by not appreciating my playing...but HE (Jesus) is worthy of my praise, regardless...even if I am at odds with the whole church...Jesus still deserves my best....So pass me the bass and let me PRAISE HIM... and we can sort it out after church.

Maybe God is testing you to see what you will do with your gift? Will you charge for it now to prove a point?...will you continue to play because you LOVE HIM?... will you quit? (Boy wouldn't the enemy be happy then!) Will you get an attitude? 

I will keep you in my prayers...everything said here is humbly submitted.
I pray God give you wisdom!

Amen



 
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: KurzLand on July 09, 2006, 12:09:18 AM
I say to give the pastor and church another chance. Just forget about it. If this doesn't work then talk to your pastor. Tell him all the stuff you have to do for the music ministry and that you are doing it for God, right? If he and the church is still saying that you are not dedicated then it's time to stand up and charge some $$$.

They don't want a dedicated musician for free, then it's time to pay for one. Some churches and pastors don't know what kind of musician they have until the musician is gone. Then the church repents and is willing to pay $erious $$ to get that musician back.  

You never know how precious something is until you lose it.


Maybe God is testing you to see what you will do with your gift? Will you charge for it now to prove a point?...will you continue to play because you LOVE HIM?... will you quit? (Boy wouldn't the enemy be happy then!) Will you get an attitude? 

This is also a good point. Pray.  
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Willie L. Terry Jr on July 09, 2006, 05:45:58 AM
Sad to say...that happens a lot when the churches schedule coflicts with out own personal schedules.  Too many variables for me to weigh in because I know some churches that you don't have to be a member to fill in for a Sunday or two. 

I agree with Uriah...communication is the key.  Regardless you will have to need to talk to the Pastor to clear up the offense because regardless of whether or not you stay at that ministry, you will need to resolve the matter before moving on.  This is for your own good. 

T.J.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BassMan2000 on July 09, 2006, 06:33:40 AM
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.


Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: musiqisme26 on July 09, 2006, 03:48:45 PM
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.





i say good for you and bass players are needed so you shouldnt even look to be a backup bass player
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Willie L. Terry Jr on July 09, 2006, 06:23:04 PM
Find some bass training workshop, camp or conference to go to, gather all the information and take to the pastor along with the cost and ask him to pay for you training.  If it's not to expensive include travel and lodging cost.  Give it to the pastor and see how dedicated to your ministry.  or...even lesson from a local music schoo or school of arts.

 ;D
T.J.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: djgroovin on July 10, 2006, 02:49:12 PM
GOD places you at a church for 1 of 2 reasons.  Either you need that ministry or that ministry needs you.
 
1. If you are being feed spiritually, then you need the ministry and you should stay and contribute as best you can because you are being blessed and blessing others.  Remember GOD place you there for a reason.

2. If the ministry needs you then you should stay and contribute as best you can because you are being blessed and blessing others.  Remember GOD place you there for a reason.

If neither of these fit or you have fullfilled your reason for being there and your only contribution to the church is playing the bass...they can always find/hire another bass player.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: friedaddy on July 10, 2006, 03:13:42 PM
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.



Hello. I think that there is a bigger issue at hand that few folks would agree with. I agree with the way you handled things. I think that churches have become too dependent on things to keep it going. Music ministry is a very important ministry in any service. But, I have just one question for the folks who get mad when the musician needs a break or knows their limits and says no. When the music stops, can you still praise Him? This could be God's way of showing the church to go with what you have in His name and not worry about things. I love the ministry that God has placed me in but my Pastor told me that praise must go in no matter what. Is the choir not going to sing because the bass player isn't there? This is my opinion, a choir should be able to minister with or without music. Musicians are human and need rest. MoM and musicians put in crazy time towards their craft giving back to God. Churches need to learn to respect that and be grateful for what they have. If you asked the pastor to preach another service every week without compensation, would he or she do it?

Frie
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: uriahsmusic on July 10, 2006, 05:48:17 PM
I talked to the Pastor and he feels if I can played for two choirs I can play for three.
I told him he should feel bless with what you have. I may be playing for GOD, but
If I don't feel the Joy when I play, I'll move somewhere that can fill that void.

I'm in Dallas, GA Let me know if you need a backup Bass Player.




WOW!...DID YOU REALLY TELL HIM THAT?
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BassMan2000 on July 10, 2006, 06:31:53 PM
Oh! yes I did. I wasn't being mean, but that's the way I am.
If you don't want the truth don't ask me.  If I was getting
paid they would not ask me to play for another choir.

When I was playing for money I charge $100 or $150 for
two services on Sunday and If I travel to another Church
it was more.  This I must say PISS ME OFF and I stop
enjoying playing at the Church.

There is no use of praying about this because the Pastor made
up his mind.  I'm happy now.

Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: mr.dj on July 10, 2006, 09:43:08 PM
BassMan2000
If you are happy now that's all that matters. 
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: Cherri on July 11, 2006, 09:49:20 AM
Oh! yes I did. I wasn't being mean, but that's the way I am.
If you don't want the truth don't ask me.  If I was getting
paid they would not ask me to play for another choir.

When I was playing for money I charge $100 or $150 for
two services on Sunday and If I travel to another Church
it was more.  This I must say PISS ME OFF and I stop
enjoying playing at the Church.

There is no use of praying about this because the Pastor made
up his mind.  I'm happy now.


That's good to hear. Keep doing what you do. God Bless....
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: gtrdave on July 11, 2006, 10:39:53 AM
Oh! yes I did. I wasn't being mean, but that's the way I am.
If you don't want the truth don't ask me.  If I was getting
paid they would not ask me to play for another choir.

When I was playing for money I charge $100 or $150 for
two services on Sunday and If I travel to another Church
it was more.  This I must say PISS ME OFF and I stop
enjoying playing at the Church.

There is no use of praying about this because the Pastor made
up his mind.  I'm happy now.



There's ALWAYS use for praying about a situation, even a situation that you're leaving.

Regardless, sounds like you did what you had to do and it also sounds like the pastor is expecting too much from a servant and has turned your servant heart into a hurting heart. THAT you should be praying about, do your best to come to a God-honoring resolve with that pastor and then move forward to what God has for you next.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: jdholliday on July 11, 2006, 09:11:37 PM
Praise the Lord!

I too speak as a pastor & bass player. For many years i have preached with no compensation from my church & on some engagements if the church could not afford. While your pastor kind of sounded a little overboard with his statement, i still want to encourage you to look at what you are supposed to do, sometimes it is not for you to teach others a lesson but it is up to you to be humble & allow God to do the work. Think about David & Saul. Serve faithfully & God will vindicate you. If you run you just might run right back into the same situation at a different location.

Be encouraged!!!

Pastor Jeff
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BassMan2000 on July 12, 2006, 06:43:33 AM
David & Saul was unfaithful to GOD and punished. I served the church faithfully
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: erickicks on July 13, 2006, 10:09:29 AM
Ok Folks,

I am new to the forum here...But I am a Pastor, so maybe I can offer a pastors perspective.  I can say I have been often misunderstood.  I have seen many talents wasted over a misunderstanding. I would go to my pastor and as Uriah said...Put on those humble shoes
... and hear what the man has to say.  As far as quitting and staying home...My question would be

1. Why are you playing?  To worship the LORD? For entertainment?
2. Who are you playing for?  For the KING of KINGS?  For the church?
3. Is your ministry for sale?

Brother...you might offend me by not appreciating my playing...but HE (Jesus) is worthy of my praise, regardless...even if I am at odds with the whole church...Jesus still deserves my best....So pass me the bass and let me PRAISE HIM... and we can sort it out after church.

Maybe God is testing you to see what you will do with your gift? Will you charge for it now to prove a point?...will you continue to play because you LOVE HIM?... will you quit? (Boy wouldn't the enemy be happy then!) Will you get an attitude? 

I will keep you in my prayers...everything said here is humbly submitted.
I pray God give you wisdom!

Amen



 

But my question to you is that Doesn't the word say "workman is worthy of his hire"? Well why is it that whenever we talk about charging the church, there is an issue?. I would like to know why wasn't the church or why didn't they see the need to take care of this bassist before this issue came up?....Because they were getting a free service. It seems to me that he was already commited to them right.

I have a wife and four Children. I've been paying for 20 years. I love the Lord and have played my first five to seven years for free and getting $50.00, church folk writing badd checks to me, Preachers trying to stiff me when they say they were going to pay me is unacceptable.

So am I wrong to charge when church folk have taken advantage of me? If I wanted to deal with snakes, I would play in the secular genre, at least I'll know what I'm dealing with, but to have to deal with that in the church to me is wrong. That's why I thank GOD that he's given me wisdom. That's not to say that I wouldn't play for anyone for free. I have, I would just like an undertanding before I play for you. IF you know you have no money and you need me, it's ok, just tell me what's up. The problem is when you say you're gonna do something and never do it.
You being a preacher know that the church cannot operate on figs. It takes money to build buildings, air condition, heat, pews, instruments, sound, and qualified musicians that are annointed. Am I WRONG!! 
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: jdholliday on July 13, 2006, 08:10:30 PM
i am saying you are faithful just as david was & look at how he was blessed! of course if you have prayed & heard from the Lord about the situation, i wish you many blessings & i believe He will open up a door for you to continue being a blessing to the body.

Pastor Jeff
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: TPCPastor on July 14, 2006, 12:27:28 AM
But my question to you is that Doesn't the word say "workman is worthy of his hire"? Well why is it that whenever we talk about charging the church, there is an issue?. I would like to know why wasn't the church or why didn't they see the need to take care of this bassist before this issue came up?....Because they were getting a free service. It seems to me that he was already commited to them right.

I have a wife and four Children. I've been paying for 20 years. I love the Lord and have played my first five to seven years for free and getting $50.00, church folk writing badd checks to me, Preachers trying to stiff me when they say they were going to pay me is unacceptable.

So am I wrong to charge when church folk have taken advantage of me? If I wanted to deal with snakes, I would play in the secular genre, at least I'll know what I'm dealing with, but to have to deal with that in the church to me is wrong. That's why I thank GOD that he's given me wisdom. That's not to say that I wouldn't play for anyone for free. I have, I would just like an undertanding before I play for you. IF you know you have no money and you need me, it's ok, just tell me what's up. The problem is when you say you're gonna do something and never do it.
You being a preacher know that the church cannot operate on figs. It takes money to build buildings, air condition, heat, pews, instruments, sound, and qualified musicians that are annointed. Am I WRONG!! 



Hey erickicks

It is almost 2:00 in the am when I am reading this

I will try to respond when I can think straight ;)

Sorry for the delay
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: cleveakabig on July 14, 2006, 01:43:42 AM
But my question to you is that Doesn't the word say "workman is worthy of his hire"? Well why is it that whenever we talk about charging the church, there is an issue?. I would like to know why wasn't the church or why didn't they see the need to take care of this bassist before this issue came up?....Because they were getting a free service. It seems to me that he was already commited to them right.

I have a wife and four Children. I've been paying for 20 years. I love the Lord and have played my first five to seven years for free and getting $50.00, church folk writing badd checks to me, Preachers trying to stiff me when they say they were going to pay me is unacceptable.

So am I wrong to charge when church folk have taken advantage of me? If I wanted to deal with snakes, I would play in the secular genre, at least I'll know what I'm dealing with, but to have to deal with that in the church to me is wrong. That's why I thank GOD that he's given me wisdom. That's not to say that I wouldn't play for anyone for free. I have, I would just like an undertanding before I play for you. IF you know you have no money and you need me, it's ok, just tell me what's up. The problem is when you say you're gonna do something and never do it.
You being a preacher know that the church cannot operate on figs. It takes money to build buildings, air condition, heat, pews, instruments, sound, and qualified musicians that are annointed. Am I WRONG!! 



Hey erickicks

It is almost 2:00 in the am when I am reading this

I will try to respond when I can think straight ;)

Sorry for the delay
I was not going to post here again,until a couple of friends from  here email and talked to me. The name of this page is Learn Gospel Music,We should not be attacking the church or a pastor.

They both belong to the Lord,we do not know the full story here. Just one side, we can't help with this issue only GOD can. He need to keep on playing like he was and Pray to God,only God can instruct the Pastor.

So if you attack a Church or Pastor. Beware!!!
I play for free now, if my Church pays me fine, if they do now fine. I'm still Blessed and getting Blessed
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BassMan2000 on July 14, 2006, 01:33:19 PM
This Website is more than just Learning Gospel Music. We post problems and ask for solulitions to things related to Music.

Now let this be the last POST on this subject.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: cleveakabig on July 14, 2006, 03:17:20 PM
This Website is more than just Learning Gospel Music. We post problems and ask for solulitions to things related to Music.

Now let this be the last POST on this subject.

I know LGM is not a play to vent on the Church or its Pastor. That's for sure. I'm going to leave you with this.
If God had a hand into putting someone or something in place. MAN or ANYONE can REMOVE IT or TAKE IT AWAY.
THAT'S THE GOSPEL
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Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: cleveakabig on July 14, 2006, 03:20:24 PM
I know LGM is not a play to vent on the Church or its Pastor. That's for sure. I'm going to leave you with this.
If God had a hand into putting someone or something in place. MAN or ANYONE can REMOVE IT or TAKE IT AWAY.
THAT'S THE GOSPEL
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I know LGM is not a place to vent on the Church or its Pastor

Need EDIT BUTTON
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BassMan2000 on July 14, 2006, 03:27:53 PM
Then you and I shall always disagree.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: BACEFINGERS on July 16, 2006, 11:41:34 PM
They will miss you when you're gone.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: musiqisme26 on July 17, 2006, 08:10:04 AM
I was not going to post here again,until a couple of friends from  here email and talked to me. The name of this page is Learn Gospel Music,We should not be attacking the church or a pastor.

They both belong to the Lord,we do not know the full story here. Just one side, we can't help with this issue only GOD can. He need to keep on playing like he was and Pray to God,only God can instruct the Pastor.

So if you attack a Church or Pastor. Beware!!!
I play for free now, if my Church pays me fine, if they do now fine. I'm still Blessed and getting Blessed


your church situation sounds like a good fit for you but your not in the same boat as the person who started this post. how can you tell him to keep playing somewhere it seems they are operating in confusion. as far as money is concerned, i play organ and i dont charge everywhere i go or would even do so at my home church but thats me, i have also been around alot of pastors to know they dont go visiting churches unless they reach a finacial agreement.
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: cleveakabig on July 17, 2006, 08:43:19 PM

your church situation sounds like a good fit for you but your not in the same boat as the person who started this post. how can you tell him to keep playing somewhere it seems they are operating in confusion. as far as money is concerned, i play organ and i dont charge everywhere i go or would even do so at my home church but thats me, i have also been around alot of pastors to know they dont go visiting churches unless they reach a finacial agreement.
This post below is what he said,he did not ask to be payed. After his Pastor ask him to play for their second Choir. But he told the Pastor. NO!!
By this action he could have Blocked his blessing to get payed. Only him and Our Father know the truth intention.

 UNGRATEFUL
« on: July 07, 2006, 08:44:09 PM » 

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I was told that I was not a dedicated musician by my Pastor!

I was ask to play for another Choir at Church, but I said no.  And
then I was told that I was not dedicated.
I already play for the Male Choir and the Adult. That includes the
8am and 11am service and practice on Tuesday and Thursday. I also play for there Special Services and I
do all this for FREE.

Now I play at Home.

They want me back , but I can't do it.

Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: thomas1168 on July 17, 2006, 09:58:08 PM
First This is my first time on the site. it is nice to see musicans discussing things with other musicians.

RE Ungratefull
First I have to say that the person named TEE hit the nail dead on the head into the ground.
You must first learn the bass to your best abilty If that is what you want to be A BASS PLAYER.
I learned to play bass in church under my worship pastor that now has a major record deal and every church covers his praise songs.
It was what worship was meant to be fun, praise, no time table or set songs real praise pastor would be talking about (example) faith and we would start playing a groove and singing about faith or what ever the spirt was speaking through pastor. and some of the greatest worship songs came out of this. As I progressed and with the level of musicans that I was playing with I excelled quickly I started playing with other praise band around town filling in and opening up for Isreal and newbread youth conferences on the west coast.
I have always had a strong production/producing background working in the industry since the age of 17.
BUT I also have a wife of 12 years and 5 children family / work ( making real money had to always come first)  SO I put the bass down for 2 years
Corporate job good money but I missed the praise and worship we had moved to atlanta 2 1/2 years ago to open a cafe
being that we would have live music on the weekends I picked it up again. One weekend a worship pastor was haning out liked my slap techn and asked If I could come to rehearsal at his church. Needless to say I join the praise team with all said and done I was playing/rehearsal 25 hours a week for free.
Long story short sorry it is already long

Same thing AS SUBJECT POST they would trip if i missed a practice or service ect. NOW KEEP IN MIND WIFE, KIDS BUSINESS, HOUSE, ECT
NOW WE CLOSED OUR BUSINESS SO MY MONEY SITUATION WAS STRESSED I NO LONGER HAD THE TIME FOR ANYTHING BUT MAKING MONEY FOR THAT MORTGAGE SO I RESIGNED NO HARD FEELINGS NO ATTITUDE STILL GO TO SERVICE ON SUNDAY TO HEAR THE WORD.

INSTEAD DURING WHAT FREE TIME I HAD I TOOK CLASSES AT BERKLEE HOOKED UP WITH ONE OF THA BADEST BASSES IN ATLANTA AND PRACTICED EVERYTHING I COULD GET MY HANDS ON
AND GOT SERIOUS WITH MY READING (IMPORTANT)

NOW I GET PAYED GOOD FOR PLAYING AND PRODUCING I GET A RESPECT THAT I HAVE NOT EVER GOTTEN I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MY SELF NOW I ENJOY PRAISE MORE ECT

SO REALLY LOOK WHAT SITUATION THAT YOU ARE IN IT MAY BE TIME FOR A CHANGE OR YOU MAY NEED TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE AT THE REASON THAT I GOT SO INTO DETAIL IS THAT JUST LIKE YOUR WALK WITH GOD YOU WILL ALWAYS BE AT NEWW STAGES IN YOUR PLAYING.

GOD BLESS
T


Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: cleveakabig on July 17, 2006, 10:23:55 PM
First This is my first time on the site. it is nice to see musicans discussing things with other musicians.

RE Ungratefull
First I have to say that the person named TEE hit the nail dead on the head into the ground.
You must first learn the bass to your best abilty If that is what you want to be A BASS PLAYER.
I learned to play bass in church under my worship pastor that now has a major record deal and every church covers his praise songs.
It was what worship was meant to be fun, praise, no time table or set songs real praise pastor would be talking about (example) faith and we would start playing a groove and singing about faith or what ever the spirt was speaking through pastor. and some of the greatest worship songs came out of this. As I progressed and with the level of musicans that I was playing with I excelled quickly I started playing with other praise band around town filling in and opening up for Isreal and newbread youth conferences on the west coast.
I have always had a strong production/producing background working in the industry since the age of 17.
BUT I also have a wife of 12 years and 5 children family / work ( making real money had to always come first)  SO I put the bass down for 2 years
Corporate job good money but I missed the praise and worship we had moved to atlanta 2 1/2 years ago to open a cafe
being that we would have live music on the weekends I picked it up again. One weekend a worship pastor was haning out liked my slap techn and asked If I could come to rehearsal at his church. Needless to say I join the praise team with all said and done I was playing/rehearsal 25 hours a week for free.
Long story short sorry it is already long

Same thing AS SUBJECT POST they would trip if i missed a practice or service ect. NOW KEEP IN MIND WIFE, KIDS BUSINESS, HOUSE, ECT
NOW WE CLOSED OUR BUSINESS SO MY MONEY SITUATION WAS STRESSED I NO LONGER HAD THE TIME FOR ANYTHING BUT MAKING MONEY FOR THAT MORTGAGE SO I RESIGNED NO HARD FEELINGS NO ATTITUDE STILL GO TO SERVICE ON SUNDAY TO HEAR THE WORD.

INSTEAD DURING WHAT FREE TIME I HAD I TOOK CLASSES AT BERKLEE HOOKED UP WITH ONE OF THA BADEST BASSES IN ATLANTA AND PRACTICED EVERYTHING I COULD GET MY HANDS ON
AND GOT SERIOUS WITH MY READING (IMPORTANT)

NOW I GET PAYED GOOD FOR PLAYING AND PRODUCING I GET A RESPECT THAT I HAVE NOT EVER GOTTEN I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MY SELF NOW I ENJOY PRAISE MORE ECT

SO REALLY LOOK WHAT SITUATION THAT YOU ARE IN IT MAY BE TIME FOR A CHANGE OR YOU MAY NEED TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE AT THE REASON THAT I GOT SO INTO DETAIL IS THAT JUST LIKE YOUR WALK WITH GOD YOU WILL ALWAYS BE AT NEWW STAGES IN YOUR PLAYING.

GOD BLESS
T



Welcome to the forum, Tomas1168
Title: Re: UNGRATEFUL
Post by: thomas1168 on July 18, 2006, 12:13:34 PM
Thank You,

Everyone should understand that this is a touchy subject. I feel you have to view this like any other professional situation. You need to take the time to perfect your craft, hard work and the late nights bring a deep satisfaction that I know God intended for us to feel. Just as you should work in any field as Jesus would your playing abilty should be no different.
In every type of learning situation there is an underlying factor that produces the fuel to power our intellectual engines. WHICH SOULD BE GOD. He enables us to overcome the inertia of the status quo. He should compel us toward a ever distant finish line in our race to catch up , overtake and excel. That is somthing that can be charterized as heart, persistance. courage, drive or willpower which all comes for God. You can not buy it, and you can not develop it by just wanting it bad enough. Ultimately the job is to use what we play and produce better music. At this point we do not need to depend on the next gospel hit playing on the radio we will have the abilty to create our own praise being only dependant on our selfs even only as bass players. Giving the thanks and the glory back to God. At this point it is nolonger a money issue, but I can promise you He will bless you for your hard work with money.( MAKE SURE WHEN IT FINALLY HAPPENS THAT YOU TITH VERY IMPORATNT)

I do not mean to preach but I was in the same situation for years and I was so bitter that praise was not even in the mix anymore. I found that I had to look at myself and not anyone else.

peace
GOD BLESS