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Main => Ministry, M.O.M, Praise Teams and Choirs => Topic started by: MrSparrow on December 27, 2006, 11:51:27 AM
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Does your Senior Pastor participate in praise and worship or does he come out about 30-35 minutes later?
My Pastor comes out later and even though I've talked with him about that, he hasn't budged. I can't stand it but I wonder if any other MOM's have to deal with this...
MrSparrow
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My Pastor Participates.
Pastors need to realize that they set an example and tone for worship. After all, he is the leader.
I was once a Church secretary. I know first hand, that some Pastors be in their study doing nothing--- talking, clowning with the other preachers----just waiting for the time to make an entrance.
I have also been at churchs where the Pastor and those in the pulpit sit down during P&W---as if they are exempt from participating. This I can't understand. If you are in the service, why aren't you actively participating?
The Bottom Line---Pastors who don't participate in the P&W don't have a heart for worship. The Bible tells us where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Pastors who don't invest in corporate P&W don't have a heart for it.
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Thanks for sharing your viewpoint especially from the secretary's viewpoint.
Is this something that always happened (your Pastor participating in Praise and Worship) or did it come about recently?
MrSparrow
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My Pastor is in service, actively participating from opening prayer to benediction, unless he's called away for some reason.
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My Pastor Participates.
Pastors need to realize that they set an example and tone for worship. After all, he is the leader.
I was once a Church secretary. I know first hand, that some Pastors be in their study doing nothing--- talking, clowning with the other preachers----just waiting for the time to make an entrance.
I have also been at churchs where the Pastor and those in the pulpit sit down during P&W---as if they are exempt from participating. This I can't understand. If you are in the service, why aren't you actively participating?
The Bottom Line---Pastors who don't participate in the P&W don't have a heart for worship. The Bible tells us where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Pastors who don't invest in corporate P&W don't have a heart for it.
LOL, my Pastor said he's gone to speak at churches, where the Pastor will have him back in the study, and preachers are just back there sitting around eating refreshments.
Someone told me that G.E. Patterson requires everybody that will be sitting on the podium to be present and in their places when the service opens. I think that's a good policy.
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Well I'm wondering if I'm just the only person to admit that my Pastor doesn't participate...
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MrSparrow
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Well, My Pastor Strongly Participates in Praise and Worship....Thank you Lord for a leader who loves Praise and Worship.
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Thanks for sharing your viewpoint especially from the secretary's viewpoint.
Is this something that always happened (your Pastor participating in Praise and Worship) or did it come about recently?
MrSparrow
My husband is a Pastor who has always participated in P&W. ---- At the church where I was secretary, he was one who in obedience, waited with our then pastor for the "moment to enter."
Even at the church where my husband pastored, he participated in the worship. I even had him serve as P&W leader on some Sundays.
My current Pastor has always participated in the P&W.
Let me say this------ don't get down about people not "admitting" that their Pasotr is not participating in worship. It happens in many churches. HOWEVER, people griping and complaining (not saying that you are) about it is not going to change his heart. And personally-----I wouldn't say anything negative about my Pastor, nor would I discuss the things that I am concerned about him on this board. I would not discuss my Pastor's shortcoming either. I'll tell him, and then leave it alone.
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My pastor is there during praise & worship. He even dances! :o :D It's a very unique dance though! :D
Sometimes he is not there, because he is talking to the guest preacher or doing something else.
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The reason I put this thread up here is because I wanted to know if there's other folks who have to deal with what I deal with.
I would never slander my Pastor and spread his dirty business all over the worldwide web.
I have talked to my Pastor about this and so far, I've been unsuccessful.
What I hope to see is someone who had this same struggle and came up with a successful strategy that worked.
That's all,
Oh yeah, one more thing... You know misery loves company... I'm just looking for company... :)
MrSparrow
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... You know misery loves company... I'm just looking for company... :)
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Airing your frustration about your pastor isn't a bad thing. I don't think the brother came across disrespectful. Nor did he call the brother's name. The real question is why does it matter so much to you? If God has shown you that your pastor needs to be an example to the other brothers in the fellowship then pray about it.
Pastors typically time challenged throughout the worship service. It's easy to make assumptions about when we don't know all the facts. Sadly some pastors do get caught up in the spirit of celeberty. Sometimes we help them get the big head. Other times most of them come in the door with one. One size doesn't fit all but I can assure you that God will deal with that man if he is a true servant of God.
furious
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Well Yes and No
My pastor Comes out late and lets us sing for about ten or so min.
Then he Call us to sing 2 songs befor he preachs .
when he call us he enjoys us and he does praise good with us .
and yes i think that that is very encourging to see my pastor praise God
and sing and dance with us .
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Yes, because he starts the service, but as P & W is going on he and the other ministers are over in the corner getting their praise & worship on.
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I believe everything flows from the head and the head has the authority to stop the flow if that’s what’s put in their spirit but however, if their operating in the flesh that’s something entirely different. So it depends.
1.) My pastor has the ability to set the tone because he sings under the anointing.
2.) They were a former Praise and Worship leader, so they know what it takes if Praise and Worship drags behind.
Remember we are ministers of music (Minstrels) and sometimes the spirit can sing through the music or an individual that’s anointed to sing (like a Psalmist.)
Paul encouraged the believers to worship the Lord with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. During Paul's day, there were no hymns such as the ones we have in our hymnals and have sung for the last few hundred years. So what did he mean? Psalms are singing the Holy Scriptures. The entire Old Testament or the Jewish Tanach was available during Paul's time, and being a Jew, that is what he meant by singing the scriptures. We know that the book of Psalms was all songs; so it was sung or chanted. Paul's term of the hymn meant songs written by human composition. They were not copied from the scriptures, but composed in the mind of the person and given a tune.
The third category of songs is the spiritual songs. They are the songs of the spirit. They are spontaneous songs sung "off the cuff" in worship to God. Most churches today are all doing hymns, but very few get into the spiritual songs. That is a shame, because the spiritual songs can bring the congregation into a new refreshing realm of prophetic worship. Spiritual songs may be aimed towards God, which would be worship, or they can be like telegrams or messages coming down from God, sung through a messenger.
Psalms means songs. Psalms can be sung or played on any musical instrument. Because music is the universal language of the soul and spirit, sometimes words are unnecessary to convey the message or heart of the song.
Psalming is a musical conversation between God and mankind. The psalmist is just the interpreter. The psalmist is a person used by God to give messages to His people. The psalm is like a singing telegram of sorts. Sometimes the song is coming from God. God sings through the psalmist to give a message to someone. Other times the conversation or song is directed to God. Conversations go back and forth between people to other people, or between people and God.
The calling of a psalmist is very serious. Since much of the music gets into such intimate and prophetic things, the psalmist must be of a clean heart. As a musical interpreter, the psalmist is representing the voice of God. A psalmist must have a tender heart, sensitive to God's voice, and always check their motives. The psalmist is never perfect, so they must be open to God's correction and rebuke, if need be. Even King David committed many sins, from murder, adultery, etc. but he was always tender in heart to God's correction. David always listened to the rebuke of the prophets and repented of his sins. Once pride sets in, the psalmist is no longer listening to God, but trusting in his/her own achievements Prophetic psalming
As the word says, this is prophetic in nature. Here the psalmist gives a message from God to the listener for their edification, correction, redemption, or direction. Prophecy is often associated with predicting the future, but it can simply be a message from God, telling them things only God could possibly know about. God may bring up something from the past. God only brings up the past, so it can be dealt with and the person can be forgiven or healed from the torment of that situation. By facing the past, we can then be released to face the future.
Prophetic psalming can be awesome when it truly comes from God. It releases healing, deliverance, and redemption. The person is set free. It brings peace, joy and ultimate re-union with God. The psalmist must be careful and make sure they deliver it in love and sensitivity. Even if the word is correct, if they deliver it wrong, they can completely humiliate the person the message is for. For instance, if a florist delivery person walked up to a home and threw the bouquet in the person's face when they answered the door, do you think that person would enjoy those flowers? The flowers may be beautiful, but it is all in the presentation! Don't ever "throw" God's message in a person's face, unless GOD says so! God is LOVE!
It is a very serious responsibility to be a mouthpiece for God. God deals with false prophets very sternly. More people have been damaged by people who had a "personal word from God" that wasn't from Him. We are warned to test the spirits. Not all spirits are from the Holy Spirit. I firmly believe in prophecy and know that God still uses people to be His mouthpiece, but a lot of people have been hurt by false ones. So test the spirits!
Col 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."
Psalming under the anointing of a anointed psalmist can be used for the deliverance of evil spirits and for healing in mind and body. Demonic forces, heredity, natural causes, poor health habits, etc can cause sickness. By knowing the source of the sickness, the right treatment can be applied. If underlying mental anxieties causes bad habits, but the psalmist can help.
Hereditary mental and physical illnesses are passed down through the generations. The Bible talks about generational curses. These can be brought on by sin in a family member from the past. It can also be a curse that someone knowingly or ignorantly cast on the family. Curses can be brought into a home through watching demonic/sexually explicit movies on television, demonic things we look for on the internet, demonic books or art, demonic children’s games, dabbling in the occult, horoscopes, fortune telling games, etc.
Curses can be broken by standing as representative for the family, acknowledging all sin that may have started it, (and any other sin for that matter), asking forgiveness, and pleading the blood of Jesus, who became a curse for us. Anytime you are dealing with demonic curses, this is very serious, and not to be taken lightly.
All born again believers in Jesus technically have the right and authority to cast out demons. However, if there is unrepented sin in your life, Satan will use it against you and torment you with it. (If that happens, just admit your sin, ask God to forgive you, and ask for God's help to keep you from doing it again.) Once you repent and ask forgiveness, God DOES FORGIVE you! Satan can no longer accuse you with it. You admitted your sin, God forgave you, and you are covered by the precious blood of Jesus. (Satan can't stand it when you mention the blood of Jesus.) Do you understand what power the blood has? Jesus paid for your life by sacrificing his own. You are bought and paid for with Jesus' own blood. Jesus bought and signed the contract for your life with his own blood. His blood washes away all sin so that we can stand clean and pure before God.
Demons like to live in warm blooded living things, especially humans. When they are cast out of a person, they look for somewhere else to inhabit. They look for a weak person who is easy to overcome. Or if that person has unrepented sin still in their life, they will try to torment them. Only people who are of clean heart (repented of all sin) and spiritually mature should cast out demons. However, there are always exceptions. Even in our ignorance, God knows our hearts and mercifully rescues us in our weakness. If God tells you to do something, even though you don't feel qualified, if He says do it, He'll keep you safe. It is only by His power that it is done anyway. Remember, our trust is not in our abilities anyway, our trust is in God.
1Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well."
Songs to bring on the prophetic anointing of a Prophet
Prophets of Old called for a psalmist when they had trouble hearing from God. In 2 Kings 3:15 Elisha called for a minstrel....
" But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the LORD came upon him."
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We have 2 periods of P&W. The first is between sunday school and service which is about 15 mins. Then we have another immediately after morning prayer. Pastor is in Sunday school, then the ministers are praying, so they are in for the second P&W period.
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I believe everything flows from the head and the head has the authority to stop the flow if that’s what’s put in their spirit but however, if their operating in the flesh that’s something entirely different. So it depends.
1.) My pastor has the ability to set the tone because he sings under the anointing.
2.) They were a former Praise and Worship leader, so they know what it takes if Praise and Worship drags behind.
Remember we are ministers of music (Minstrels) and sometimes the spirit can sing through the music or an individual that’s anointed to sing (like a Psalmist.)
Paul encouraged the believers to worship the Lord with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. During Paul's day, there were no hymns such as the ones we have in our hymnals and have sung for the last few hundred years. So what did he mean? Psalms are singing the Holy Scriptures. The entire Old Testament or the Jewish Tanach was available during Paul's time, and being a Jew, that is what he meant by singing the scriptures. We know that the book of Psalms was all songs; so it was sung or chanted. Paul's term of the hymn meant songs written by human composition. They were not copied from the scriptures, but composed in the mind of the person and given a tune.
The third category of songs is the spiritual songs. They are the songs of the spirit. They are spontaneous songs sung "off the cuff" in worship to God. Most churches today are all doing hymns, but very few get into the spiritual songs. That is a shame, because the spiritual songs can bring the congregation into a new refreshing realm of prophetic worship. Spiritual songs may be aimed towards God, which would be worship, or they can be like telegrams or messages coming down from God, sung through a messenger.
Psalms means songs. Psalms can be sung or played on any musical instrument. Because music is the universal language of the soul and spirit, sometimes words are unnecessary to convey the message or heart of the song.
Psalming is a musical conversation between God and mankind. The psalmist is just the interpreter. The psalmist is a person used by God to give messages to His people. The psalm is like a singing telegram of sorts. Sometimes the song is coming from God. God sings through the psalmist to give a message to someone. Other times the conversation or song is directed to God. Conversations go back and forth between people to other people, or between people and God.
The calling of a psalmist is very serious. Since much of the music gets into such intimate and prophetic things, the psalmist must be of a clean heart. As a musical interpreter, the psalmist is representing the voice of God. A psalmist must have a tender heart, sensitive to God's voice, and always check their motives. The psalmist is never perfect, so they must be open to God's correction and rebuke, if need be. Even King David committed many sins, from murder, adultery, etc. but he was always tender in heart to God's correction. David always listened to the rebuke of the prophets and repented of his sins. Once pride sets in, the psalmist is no longer listening to God, but trusting in his/her own achievements Prophetic psalming
As the word says, this is prophetic in nature. Here the psalmist gives a message from God to the listener for their edification, correction, redemption, or direction. Prophecy is often associated with predicting the future, but it can simply be a message from God, telling them things only God could possibly know about. God may bring up something from the past. God only brings up the past, so it can be dealt with and the person can be forgiven or healed from the torment of that situation. By facing the past, we can then be released to face the future.
Prophetic psalming can be awesome when it truly comes from God. It releases healing, deliverance, and redemption. The person is set free. It brings peace, joy and ultimate re-union with God. The psalmist must be careful and make sure they deliver it in love and sensitivity. Even if the word is correct, if they deliver it wrong, they can completely humiliate the person the message is for. For instance, if a florist delivery person walked up to a home and threw the bouquet in the person's face when they answered the door, do you think that person would enjoy those flowers? The flowers may be beautiful, but it is all in the presentation! Don't ever "throw" God's message in a person's face, unless GOD says so! God is LOVE!
It is a very serious responsibility to be a mouthpiece for God. God deals with false prophets very sternly. More people have been damaged by people who had a "personal word from God" that wasn't from Him. We are warned to test the spirits. Not all spirits are from the Holy Spirit. I firmly believe in prophecy and know that God still uses people to be His mouthpiece, but a lot of people have been hurt by false ones. So test the spirits!
Col 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."
Psalming under the anointing of a anointed psalmist can be used for the deliverance of evil spirits and for healing in mind and body. Demonic forces, heredity, natural causes, poor health habits, etc can cause sickness. By knowing the source of the sickness, the right treatment can be applied. If underlying mental anxieties causes bad habits, but the psalmist can help.
Hereditary mental and physical illnesses are passed down through the generations. The Bible talks about generational curses. These can be brought on by sin in a family member from the past. It can also be a curse that someone knowingly or ignorantly cast on the family. Curses can be brought into a home through watching demonic/sexually explicit movies on television, demonic things we look for on the internet, demonic books or art, demonic children’s games, dabbling in the occult, horoscopes, fortune telling games, etc.
Curses can be broken by standing as representative for the family, acknowledging all sin that may have started it, (and any other sin for that matter), asking forgiveness, and pleading the blood of Jesus, who became a curse for us. Anytime you are dealing with demonic curses, this is very serious, and not to be taken lightly.
All born again believers in Jesus technically have the right and authority to cast out demons. However, if there is unrepented sin in your life, Satan will use it against you and torment you with it. (If that happens, just admit your sin, ask God to forgive you, and ask for God's help to keep you from doing it again.) Once you repent and ask forgiveness, God DOES FORGIVE you! Satan can no longer accuse you with it. You admitted your sin, God forgave you, and you are covered by the precious blood of Jesus. (Satan can't stand it when you mention the blood of Jesus.) Do you understand what power the blood has? Jesus paid for your life by sacrificing his own. You are bought and paid for with Jesus' own blood. Jesus bought and signed the contract for your life with his own blood. His blood washes away all sin so that we can stand clean and pure before God.
Demons like to live in warm blooded living things, especially humans. When they are cast out of a person, they look for somewhere else to inhabit. They look for a weak person who is easy to overcome. Or if that person has unrepented sin still in their life, they will try to torment them. Only people who are of clean heart (repented of all sin) and spiritually mature should cast out demons. However, there are always exceptions. Even in our ignorance, God knows our hearts and mercifully rescues us in our weakness. If God tells you to do something, even though you don't feel qualified, if He says do it, He'll keep you safe. It is only by His power that it is done anyway. Remember, our trust is not in our abilities anyway, our trust is in God.
1Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well."
Songs to bring on the prophetic anointing of a Prophet
Prophets of Old called for a psalmist when they had trouble hearing from God. In 2 Kings 3:15 Elisha called for a minstrel....
" But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the LORD came upon him."
Oooooo-kay.
That's a whole lot of reading. Somebody give me a summary. ;)
For the folks who complain that I (as well as other mods) allow a thread to "get by" and delete theirs----this is why----I can't possibly read every post, so if you want your carziness to fly (not saying this post is crazy, 'cause I'm not reading it), make it a super long post. :D
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LOL
Well, at least he broke it up into paragraphs AND DIDN'T TYPE IN ALL UPPER CASE....Summa deez pepole mek you wanna beat dem wif a anglish stick! I read up to the second paragraph!
LOL
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Oooooo-kay.
That's a whole lot of reading. Somebody give me a summary. ;)
For the folks who complain that I (as well as other mods) allow a thread to "get by" and delete theirs----this is why----I can't possibly read every post, so if you want your carziness to fly (not saying this post is crazy, 'cause I'm not reading it), make it a super long post. :D
Sorry if this was to long on the eyes but what I’m gathering here is;
1.) It’s important to know why a Pastor is called to do what he does
2.) It’s also important to understand the extent of our roles as M.O.M.s, Minstrels or Psalmist We may or may not be gifted in all of these areas but it’s good to know that all of these gifts work together for the perfecting of the church or for the building up of the individual. Also if a Pastor (Overseer) does not possess these gifts then it would be wise for them to humble themselves and sit under the one that has this anointing or (gift). Remember Jesus didn’t start baptizing men with the water baptism, but he was baptized by John the Baptist because he was anointed for that specific task. So tSorry if this was to long on the eyes but what I’m gathering here is;
1.) It’s important to know why a Pastor is called to do what he does
2.) It’s also important to understand the extent of our roles as M.O.M.s, Minstrels or Psalmist We may or may not be gifted in all of these areas but it’s good to know that all of these gifts work together for the perfecting of the church or for the building up of the individual. Also if a Pastor (Overseer) does not possess these gifts then it would be wise for them to humble themselves and sit under the one that has this anointing or (gift). Remember Jesus didn’t start baptizing men with the water baptism, but he was baptized by John the Baptist because he was anointed for that specific task. So there is a system of order concerning the things of ministry Be blessed :-X
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Sorry if this was to long on the eyes but what I’m gathering here is;
1.) It’s important to know why a Pastor is called to do what he does
2.) It’s also important to understand the extent of our roles as M.O.M.s, Minstrels or Psalmist We may or may not be gifted in all of these areas but it’s good to know that all of these gifts work together for the perfecting of the church or for the building up of the individual. Also if a Pastor (Overseer) does not possess these gifts then it would be wise for them to humble themselves and sit under the one that has this anointing or (gift). Remember Jesus didn’t start baptizing men with the water baptism, but he was baptized by John the Baptist because he was anointed for that specific task. So tSorry if this was to long on the eyes but what I’m gathering here is;
1.) It’s important to know why a Pastor is called to do what he does
2.) It’s also important to understand the extent of our roles as M.O.M.s, Minstrels or Psalmist We may or may not be gifted in all of these areas but it’s good to know that all of these gifts work together for the perfecting of the church or for the building up of the individual. Also if a Pastor (Overseer) does not possess these gifts then it would be wise for them to humble themselves and sit under the one that has this anointing or (gift). Remember Jesus didn’t start baptizing men with the water baptism, but he was baptized by John the Baptist because he was anointed for that specific task. So there is a system of order concerning the things of ministry Be blessed :-X
So does your Pastor participate in Praise in Worship Nardo73?
MrSparrow
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So does your Pastor participate in Praise in Worship Nardo73?
MrSparrow
Not all of the time: he usually leaves it up to myself or the P&W team. However, if there is a dragging behind with the singing or the music itself, he steps in to take it to another level, especially if there is something on his heart for the people.
When the anointing comes in, it can take a total new direction whether it comes from the Organist, Singer or the Pastor. But remember first, everything flows from the head, so it’s very important the two of you agree and share the same vision. This may be something to pray and meditate on.
Be Blessed 8)
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Oooooo-kay.
That's a whole lot of reading. Somebody give me a summary. ;)
For the folks who complain that I (as well as other mods) allow a thread to "get by" and delete theirs----this is why----I can't possibly read every post, so if you want your carziness to fly (not saying this post is crazy, 'cause I'm not reading it), make it a super long post. :D
LOL!! I wasn't gonna admit it...
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My Apostle & Pastor participates in Praise & Worship
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Prasie report,
I talked with my Pastor about my concerns and he agreed that he would join us again. He understands that if he doesn't exhibit the lifestyle of a worshipper then the sheep won't do it either.
My pastor used to come out a few minutes before his sermon and as a direct or indirect result of that practice about 80% of the church comes late to church (I mean only the first 2 or 3 rows) but almost EVERY service is jam packed by the time the Pastor comes up.
He rebuked the church for being so absent in mind and in presence when it comes to praise and worship time. He even said that he would do a better job of being present to worship. He taught briefly on the importance of not allowing the worship team to worship FOR the people as a substitute but challenged the people to open their mouths and to raise their voices for themselves.
Is that the same thing I do and my worship leaders do? YES! Was it received better by the people coming from the Apostle/Pastor? YES!
Anywho, we're making progress...
To GOD be the GLORY!
MrSparrow
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Prasie report,
I talked with my Pastor about my concerns and he agreed that he would join us again. He understands that if he doesn't exhibit the lifestyle of a worshipper then the sheep won't do it either.
My pastor used to come out a few minutes before his sermon and as a direct or indirect result of that practice about 80% of the church comes late to church (I mean only the first 2 or 3 rows) but almost EVERY service is jam packed by the time the Pastor comes up.
He rebuked the church for being so absent in mind and in presence when it comes to praise and worship time. He even said that he would do a better job of being present to worship. He taught briefly on the importance of not allowing the worship team to worship FOR the people as a substitute but challenged the people to open their mouths and to raise their voices for themselves.
Is that the same thing I do and my worship leaders do? YES! Was it received better by the people coming from the Apostle/Pastor? YES!
Anywho, we're making progress...
To GOD be the GLORY!
MrSparrow
im glad your church is making progress.My pastor comes out later but our assiociate minister participates.
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At the church I go to while I'm at school, the Pastor does not come out for Praise and Worship. Reason being is that he has not made it to the church yet. He is still in the air coming from OH.
The former Bishop (who passed away suddenly) would come out at the very end of praise and worship, and that to me seemed like it was a show, especially since he is there hours before service starts. :-\
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Prasie report,
I talked with my Pastor about my concerns and he agreed that he would join us again. He understands that if he doesn't exhibit the lifestyle of a worshipper then the sheep won't do it either.
My pastor used to come out a few minutes before his sermon and as a direct or indirect result of that practice about 80% of the church comes late to church (I mean only the first 2 or 3 rows) but almost EVERY service is jam packed by the time the Pastor comes up.
He rebuked the church for being so absent in mind and in presence when it comes to praise and worship time. He even said that he would do a better job of being present to worship. He taught briefly on the importance of not allowing the worship team to worship FOR the people as a substitute but challenged the people to open their mouths and to raise their voices for themselves.
Is that the same thing I do and my worship leaders do? YES! Was it received better by the people coming from the Apostle/Pastor? YES!
Anywho, we're making progress...
To GOD be the GLORY!
MrSparrow
Based on what I'm hearing, I have a lot of respect for your pastor. Many don't take it that well, and in the constructive light in which it was given.
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My pastor does both and both is irritating!!!!!!Because when he does he takes over and he doesn't come to rehersal!!!!! ;D When he waits we the praise team keeps sionging!!!
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There are a lot of Pastors that don't participate during the worship, and that is sad. I travel to other churches a lot during the week and I see it. My Pastor, however, used to be a worship leader, so he already has the heart of a worshiper. Any MOM that has a Pastor that worships should be thankful. As far as for your Pastor that doesn't worship, pray for him and let God take care of it. Pray that God will invade Him with a passion to worship. Then, stand back and see what happens!
You be blessed and encouraged! You may be set in that house to help change the atmosphere!
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My pastor plays the trumpet and leads worship.
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my pastor leads us into a song and then hands the mic to our P&W leader to take over 8)