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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: QCdrummer on June 04, 2007, 10:34:32 AM
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It's official..... I'm just going to have to take my kit and set up everywhere I play at! I used to try to give most places the benefit of the doubt. So I would only take my snare and pedal. Then I had to upgrade and take my snare stand and cymbals also. Then I had to start taking the cymbal stands too!
It's 2007 and most of the churches I play have sets that look to be from the 80s/early 90s with screws broken and duck tape all over them. Some don't even have thrones! Granted most churches don't have any money, BUT sets are much cheaper than they used to be. I saw a decent sounding Sound Percussion 4 pc. set with Evans heads on it at Guitar Center for $189!!! That would be much better than what alot of these churches have.
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most churches that dont have informed staff cant quantify an expensiv drumset.
A hammond, a keyboard, they can see the value. but drums? nope.
and if the start out with a good drumset, the guests be killin them.
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most churches that dont have informed staff cant quantify an expensiv drumset.
A hammond, a keyboard, they can see the value. but drums? nope.
and if the start out with a good drumset, the guests be killin them.
I agree.
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I would only do that if Im playing the entire night. If its 1 or 2 songs, I'll get by on what they have. And if its a musical with multiple choirs, well, you can just forget that whole idea cause I'm not gonna supply a good drum set for 6 drummers to bang the crap out of.
Another thing is this. If you set up your accessories when its time for you to play, when youre done, youre gonna look bogus if you try to take them and you know other drummers still gotta play. ;D Youre kinda stuck with letting everyone else play on your gear cause sometimes there just isnt enough time to switch out or break down. Plus you'll just look bogus. (If its more than a snare and a pedal.)
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most churches that dont have informed staff cant quantify an expensiv drumset.
A hammond, a keyboard, they can see the value. but drums? nope.
and if the start out with a good drumset, the guests be killin them.
Exactly, nothing else to it. I dont know why churches will buy a big, fancy church, an organ that cost 3 grand, keyboard that cost over 2 grand but wont even spend less than 1 g. on the drums/percussion. They really need to stop this, it used to go on at my church but i've got my point across now. If they had the money they wouldve been quick to buy a ridiculously expensive organ(we have an old one) but wouldnt even buy a new cymbal, why??? Because I already had some ?/?
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I would only do that if Im playing the entire night. If its 1 or 2 songs, I'll get by on what they have. And if its a musical with multiple choirs, well, you can just forget that whole idea cause I'm not gonna supply a good drum set for 6 drummers to bang the crap out of.
Another thing is this. If you set up your accessories when its time for you to play, when youre done, youre gonna look bogus if you try to take them and you know other drummers still gotta play. ;D Youre kinda stuck with letting everyone else play on your gear cause sometimes there just isnt enough time to switch out or break down. Plus you'll just look bogus. (If its more than a snare and a pedal.)
lololol
*guilty*
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lololol
*guilty*
Yeah, me too! ;D
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What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
It's official..... I'm just going to have to take my kit and set up everywhere I play at! I used to try to give most places the benefit of the doubt. So I would only take my snare and pedal. Then I had to upgrade and take my snare stand and cymbals also. Then I had to start taking the cymbal stands too!
...I truly understand. I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music. We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour." (Drummers Not Included though.lol)
...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums" speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\ LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.
(http://www.roanoke.com/images/nd/7.29.06.a.jpg)
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...I truly understand. I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music. We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour." (Drummers Not Included though.lol)
...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums" speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\ LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.
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LOL! JFunky, your church will buy a DW as soon as you take your kit home! LOL!!! ;D
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LOL! JFunky, your church will buy a DW as soon as you take your kit home! LOL!!! ;D
...lol. Funny thing is that the above statement happens to be true to many drummers around us. Just not me!! LMBO.
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...I truly understand. I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music. We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour." (Drummers Not Included though.lol)
...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums" speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\ LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.
([url]http://www.roanoke.com/images/nd/7.29.06.a.jpg[/url])
Hey man!!! Why you gotta talk about my church set like that...lol...We have the Pearl Expost series with the Big toms..Meinl ride..Sabian and Zidjian Crash and a Zidjian Splash..Still holding on lol
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Hey man!!! Why you gotta talk about my church set like that...lol...We have the Pearl Expost series with the Big toms..Meinl ride..Sabian and Zidjian Crash and a Zidjian Splash..Still holding on lol
Do you have 16" 17" and 18" rack toms? ;D
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Do you have 16" 17" and 18" rack toms? ;D
Jesus................lol
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...I truly understand. I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music. We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour." (Drummers Not Included though.lol)
...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums" speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\ LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.
([url]http://www.roanoke.com/images/nd/7.29.06.a.jpg[/url])
man what r those in that boy's hands? lol them aint sticks........look like shanks.....
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I'm glad to see your on my side JFunky! If everything else is going to be updated, why not the drums to??
Its 2007 and its sad to see that there are still churches out here with not even a drum throne??
And the church I was recently at didn't even have a carpet for the drums to sit on! So as I was playing, the drums were moving all over the place.
I would only do that if Im playing the entire night. If its 1 or 2 songs, I'll get by on what they have. And if its a musical with multiple choirs, well, you can just forget that whole idea cause I'm not gonna supply a good drum set for 6 drummers to bang the crap out of.
Another thing is this. If you set up your accessories when its time for you to play, when youre done, youre gonna look bogus if you try to take them and you know other drummers still gotta play. ;D Youre kinda stuck with letting everyone else play on your gear cause sometimes there just isnt enough time to switch out or break down. Plus you'll just look bogus. (If its more than a snare and a pedal.)
I see what your saying, but wether it's 2 songs or 8 songs, I like to sound good. You never know who is watching you. Somebody might be at that one service and judge my playing by that one time on that horrible kit. So I'm really considering just arriving early and preparing to set up no matter where I go.
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I'm glad to see your on my side JFunky! If everything else is going to be updated, why not the drums to??
Its 2007 and its sad to see that there are still churches out here with not even a drum throne??
And the church I was recently at didn't even have a carpet for the drums to sit on! So as I was playing, the drums were moving all over the place.
I see what your saying, but wether it's 2 songs or 8 songs, I like to sound good. You never know who is watching you. Somebody might be at that one service and judge my playing by that one time on that horrible kit. So I'm really considering just arriving early and preparing to set up no matter where I go.
You shouldnt be thinking about who's watching you or thinking about someone's wrongful opinion about you because of the sound quality of the set. Keep your mind on God and play for him regardless of the sound quality, do your best, and you'll be blessed. Simple as that.
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It seems as if its is getting worse.... I played at a church not too long ago and they had a Sound Percussion Snare drum, Pacific FS toms, A Sound Percussion Kick and pedal, Hi Hat stand with a broken clutch, and to top it off a Zildjian Razor Crash!! Yowza!! But the funny thing was that they had an HHX Studio Crash...!!! One of their crashes was soo far away, I almost had to throw my stick at it just to hit it!! ;D ;D
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This is an all too often truth in today's churches. Several causes come to mind (we have discussed this here before a few times but it is always a need subject to discuss):
- The church is misappropriating funds by not fully funding it's music dept. It is also disrespecting the ministers/musicians of said instrument.
You cannot develop, keep, nor attract quality ministering musicians by having junk for tools. Everything on the alter/pulpit should be in order always.
- something in the bible about high cymbals and loud sounding cymbals... not hammond, LOL... sad truth.
- improper training/lack of knowledge in playing and maintainace by the previous and current drumset players which reflects lackof knowledge and accountability by the MOM and house... oops... sad but true, that is God's house - act like it. God created all things in all wisdom and knowledge. He then tells us through his servant in Proverbs to seek wisdom.
If you don't know about drumset and percussion equipment it is because you are not seeking, period.
- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals should be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and monitors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
Drummers should be contracted full amount to pay for replacement cymbals with automatic deduction from any payments rendered. Bronze last forever... There is no reason to hit a cymbal wrong and crack it, Learn how to play or don't be allowed to play. Simple. Everything should be done decent and in order. Breaking pies (cymbals) is out of order. Demonstrates lack of control with he sticks and or cymbal technique.
I honestly think that the excuse that churches don't have money is lame, God ain't broke. They just don't invest it in quality drum gear nor developing quality drumset musicians. $1500-1800 can by you a nice mid-level to low-end pro kit with basic cymbal set-up. (ddrum w/die cast hoops, Pearl, PDP (7-piece X-7), Gretch Catalina with hardware if you research). That is 3 months tops of setting aside $600 in offerings need be.. but easily feasible to the annual budget.
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.
Note to young drummers or aspiring pros:
You are known by your sound... not your licks. The sound of your snare, hats and ride followed by your tuning and other cymbals. Once you really mature you will be known for your technique and ability to pull your sound out of any gear (within reason) by how you strike/stroke it. Develop yourself fully becoming well-read and well rounded so as not to be a slave to the gear nor engineer.
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You shouldnt be thinking about who's watching you or thinking about someone's wrongful opinion about you because of the sound quality of the set. Keep your mind on God and play for him regardless of the sound quality, do your best, and you'll be blessed. Simple as that.
I do that at all times. BUT I've worked very hard at perfecting the gift that HE gave for me to go somewhere and sound bad.
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This is an all too often truth in today's churches. Several causes come to mind (we have discussed this here before a few times but it is always a need subjct to discuss):
- The church is misappropriating funds by not fully funding it's music dept. It is also disrespecting the ministers/musicians of said instrument.
You cannot develop, keep,nor attract quality ministering musicians by having junk for tools. Everything on the alter/pulpit should be in order always.
- something in th bible about high cymbals and loud sounding cymbals... not hammond, LOL... sad truth.
- improper training/lck of knowledge in plying and maintainace by the previous and current drumset players which reflects lackof knowledge and accountability by the MOM and house... oops... sad but true, that is God's house - act like it. God created all things in all wisdom and knowledge. He then tells us through his servant in Proverbs to seek wisdom.
If you don't know about drumset and percussion equipment it is because you are not seeking, period.
- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals sould be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and montors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
Drummers should be contracted full amount to pay for replacement cymbals with automatic deduction from any payments rendered. Bronze last forever... There is no reason to hit a cymbal wrong and crack it, Learn how to play or don't beallowed to play. Simple. Everything should be done decent and in order. Breaking pies (cymbals) is out of order. Demonstrates lack of control with he sticks and or cymbal technique.
I honestly think that the excuse that churches don't have money is lame, God ain't broke. They just don't invest it in quality drum gear nor developing quality drumset musicians. $1500-1800 can by you a nice mid-level to low-end pro kit with basic cymbal set-up. (ddrum w/die cast hoops, Pearl, PDP (7-piece X-7), Gretch Catalina with hardware if you research). That is 3 months tops of setting aside $600 in offerings need be.. but easily feasible to the annual budget.
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.
Note to young drummers or aspiring pros:
You are know by your sound... not your licks. The sound of your snare, hats and ride followed by your tuning and other cymbals. Once you really mature you will be know for your technique and ability to pull your sound out of any gear (within reason) by how you strike/stroke it. Develop yourself fully becoming well-read and well rounded so as not to be a slave to the gear nor engineer.
Well said Mr. Knight, Well said ;D ;D :D
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I do that at all times. BUT I've worked very hard at perfecting the gift that HE gave for me to go somewhere and sound bad.
yeah, i feel you. The sound quality is very important, lol and has a crucial impact on your motivation. I can relate even right now because I have a Mapex Pro M but the heads are worn out, just about all except for the resonant head on the kick and 16" floor tom. But i try not to let it stop me, but if it gets to the point where I cant stand the sound i dismount the toms(I took down the 12" and 14" and i'm just playin' with the 10" and 16") and just play with the bass, snare, hi-hats and cymbals.
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Sometimes money is not the reason. I come from a small church and our drum set is the very basic set (everything working fine) mainly because our drummer (my lil nephew) isn't on that level to add or upgrade yet. Guests who usually come to our church usually bring their own snare, foot and sticks, so they don't mess up our set which is fine. Our drummer is young and he's only focus should be to play better. But if you have the talent and your church is big enough to have the organs, keyboard, great sound equipment, etc.... and the drums isn't on that level......I COMPLETELY AGREE you would have to bring it up.
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This is an all too often truth in today's churches. Several causes come to mind (we have discussed this here before a few times but it is always a need subject to discuss):
- The church is misappropriating funds by not fully funding it's music dept. It is also disrespecting the ministers/musicians of said instrument.
You cannot develop, keep, nor attract quality ministering musicians by having junk for tools. Everything on the alter/pulpit should be in order always.
- something in the bible about high cymbals and loud sounding cymbals... not hammond, LOL... sad truth.
- improper training/lack of knowledge in playing and maintainace by the previous and current drumset players which reflects lackof knowledge and accountability by the MOM and house... oops... sad but true, that is God's house - act like it. God created all things in all wisdom and knowledge. He then tells us through his servant in Proverbs to seek wisdom.
If you don't know about drumset and percussion equipment it is because you are not seeking, period.
- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals should be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and monitors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
Drummers should be contracted full amount to pay for replacement cymbals with automatic deduction from any payments rendered. Bronze last forever... There is no reason to hit a cymbal wrong and crack it, Learn how to play or don't be allowed to play. Simple. Everything should be done decent and in order. Breaking pies (cymbals) is out of order. Demonstrates lack of control with he sticks and or cymbal technique.
I honestly think that the excuse that churches don't have money is lame, God ain't broke. They just don't invest it in quality drum gear nor developing quality drumset musicians. $1500-1800 can by you a nice mid-level to low-end pro kit with basic cymbal set-up. (ddrum w/die cast hoops, Pearl, PDP (7-piece X-7), Gretch Catalina with hardware if you research). That is 3 months tops of setting aside $600 in offerings need be.. but easily feasible to the annual budget.
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.
Note to young drummers or aspiring pros:
You are known by your sound... not your licks. The sound of your snare, hats and ride followed by your tuning and other cymbals. Once you really mature you will be known for your technique and ability to pull your sound out of any gear (within reason) by how you strike/stroke it. Develop yourself fully becoming well-read and well rounded so as not to be a slave to the gear nor engineer.
...I personally think that if a drummer is having this issue with old gear at the church, they need to print out the above and let the Pastor or Music Dept. Leader read it and make the proper changes in their budget. As a matter of fact, print out this whole thread to see that......................THEY ARE NOT ALONE. LOL.
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Sometimes money is not the reason. I come from a small church and our drum set is the very basic set (everything working fine) mainly because our drummer (my lil nephew) isn't on that level to add or upgrade yet. Guests who usually come to our church usually bring their own snare, foot and sticks, so they don't mess up our set which is fine. Our drummer is young and he's only focus should be to play better. But if you have the talent and your church is big enough to have the organs, keyboard, great sound equipment, etc.... and the drums isn't on that level......I COMPLETELY AGREE you would have to bring it up.
...your nephew should still have a good and playable kit. Dude, why is it that "almost" all of us learned how to play on that BIG 10x12, 11x13, 16x16, 22x16 Size kit ?/? LOL I hated playing on that. It was the most uncomfortable set ever to play on as a kid. Then to top it off, we had to angle the toms so that they would be parallel to the friggin' walls of the Temple.lol
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...your nephew should still have a good and playable kit. Dude, why is it that "almost" all of us learned how to play on that BIG 10x12, 11x13, 16x16, 22x16 Size kit ?/? LOL I hated playing on that. It was the most uncomfortable set ever to play on as a kid. Then to top it off, we had to angle the toms so that they would be parallel to the friggin' walls of the Temple.lol
I have played many of kits like this man!!.... I actually played one yesterday!! Guess what it was though... Percussion Plus!! I think It is made my Paiste!! The drummers pedal was taped on to his Super Kick with blue painting tape!! The kick head has a hole in it also!! His Pedal Only had a Foot Board and a beater... Nothing on the bottom so I guess he called himself "Fixing" It by jamming a hole in the kick drum so that he could shove the pedal in the hole and tape it so that it wouldnt move!!
It was so bad that I had to tell someone to go to my car and get my pedal!!
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And then they don't want to replace drum heads.
Drumheads and toilet paper should be on the same budget. Monthly expenditures.
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Dude I walked up to a brand new lower line Pearl last year and noticed that they didnt have a resonant head on the bass drum. Not a big deal. I sat down and noticed that they were using the resonant head as the batter head! and if thats not enough, it had a patched up hole in it! That was too much!!! LOL!!!
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Dude I walked up to a brand new lower line Pearl last year and noticed that they didnt have a resonant head on the bass drum. Not a big deal. I sat down and noticed that they were using the resonant head as the batter head! and if thats not enough, it had a patched up hole in it! That was too much!!! LOL!!!
...ask Ron Bruner what happened. He'll tell ya. lol
(http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drumpics8/ronbruner23.jpg)
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The Church I played at recently had Head that look like the came off of a tamborine!! They were like paper!! And the drummer had all the heads tightened as high as they could go!! ;)...The snare head was stock too...It was like the head was painted white so that it would looked" Coated" It wasn't the best but I did what I could with what I had..
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The Church I played at recently had Head that look like the came off of a tamborine!! They were like paper!! And the drummer had all the heads tightened as high as they could go!! ;)...The snare head was stock too...It was like the head was painted white so that it would looked" Coated" It wasn't the best but I did what I could with what I had..
lolololol, reminds me of this dude i know that jack other drummers stuff at their churches then spray paints the stuff, drum set, cymbals, etc. I think he moved and I hope he aint nowhere near any of you, haha oh yeah cuz he WILL jack yo stuff in church lol.
smh
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lolololol, reminds me of this dude i know that jack other drummers stuff at their churches then spray paints the stuff, drum set, cymbals, etc. I think he moved and I hope he aint nowhere near any of you, haha oh yeah cuz he WILL jack yo stuff in church lol.
smh
LOL!!! Every city has one of those guys! We have two! LOL!!! They rotate cities! :D
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We aint got one of those yet!!..lol.... Man a Gear Jacker...Wowza!! Im sure we'll get one sooner or later!! ;D
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lolololol, reminds me of this dude i know that jack other drummers stuff at their churches then spray paints the stuff, drum set, cymbals, etc. I think he moved and I hope he aint nowhere near any of you, haha oh yeah cuz he WILL jack yo stuff in church lol.
smh
i would never steal from the altar :o whooo! im scared just thinking about it...
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This is an all too often truth in today's churches. Several causes come to mind (we have discussed this here before a few times but it is always a need subject to discuss):
- The church is misappropriating funds by not fully funding it's music dept. It is also disrespecting the ministers/musicians of said instrument.
You cannot develop, keep, nor attract quality ministering musicians by having junk for tools. Everything on the alter/pulpit should be in order always.
- something in the bible about high cymbals and loud sounding cymbals... not hammond, LOL... sad truth.
- improper training/lack of knowledge in playing and maintainace by the previous and current drumset players which reflects lackof knowledge and accountability by the MOM and house... oops... sad but true, that is God's house - act like it. God created all things in all wisdom and knowledge. He then tells us through his servant in Proverbs to seek wisdom.
If you don't know about drumset and percussion equipment it is because you are not seeking, period.
- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals should be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and monitors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
Drummers should be contracted full amount to pay for replacement cymbals with automatic deduction from any payments rendered. Bronze last forever... There is no reason to hit a cymbal wrong and crack it, Learn how to play or don't be allowed to play. Simple. Everything should be done decent and in order. Breaking pies (cymbals) is out of order. Demonstrates lack of control with he sticks and or cymbal technique.
I honestly think that the excuse that churches don't have money is lame, God ain't broke. They just don't invest it in quality drum gear nor developing quality drumset musicians. $1500-1800 can by you a nice mid-level to low-end pro kit with basic cymbal set-up. (ddrum w/die cast hoops, Pearl, PDP (7-piece X-7), Gretch Catalina with hardware if you research). That is 3 months tops of setting aside $600 in offerings need be.. but easily feasible to the annual budget.
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.
Note to young drummers or aspiring pros:
You are known by your sound... not your licks. The sound of your snare, hats and ride followed by your tuning and other cymbals. Once you really mature you will be known for your technique and ability to pull your sound out of any gear (within reason) by how you strike/stroke it. Develop yourself fully becoming well-read and well rounded so as not to be a slave to the gear nor engineer.
Well said. I think I am going to write my church and see if we can get a budget for the drums. Stay Blessed, Nate J.
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Well again this topic, LOL! I just really let it be known to our Pastoral Staff the importance of good gear... You have to take them over and let them see and hear the difference between a new head and old head, B-20's cymbals as oppose to B-8's (You want B-20 and higher). Show them why their gear is bunk! Go to the board if you have to.
Trust me it works...Go like you know what you are talking about and sell it! If you go with your tail between your legs all masa/porch monkey like IT WONT WORK!!!
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We aint got one of those yet!!..lol.... Man a Gear Jacker...Wowza!! Im sure we'll get one sooner or later!! ;D
hm hm, im sure you'll get one lol. If u see a dude just eye'in ur set.................
I seen one dude that's slickkkkkkk. He might be talking to you and have his hand on the cymbal like he's just chillin' and examining it, but he was slowly unscrewin' the wing nut while talking to the drummer, lol.
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hm hm, im sure you'll get one lol. If u see a dude just eye'in ur set.................
I seen one dude that's slickkkkkkk. He might be talking to you and have his hand on the cymbal like he's just chillin' and examining it, but he was slowly unscrewin' the wing nut while talking to the drummer, lol.
Man, that's not even funny. That's just wrong. Where is the fear of God??? GB.
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... B-20's cymbals as oppose to B-8's (You want B-20 and higher) ...
Paiste Signature, Dark Energy, 2002, Giant beat, et al are made from a B8 alloy, and they sound great! It's just that Zildjian and Sabian made the name of B8 mud in most drummer's ears.
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Paiste Signature, Dark Energy, 2002, Giant beat, et al are made from a B8 alloy, and they sound great! It's just that Zildjian and Sabian made the name of B8 mud in most drummer's ears.
Thanks j_kay. I didn't even know that.
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Thanks j_kay. I didn't even know that.
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A couple of months ago a saw a old drum set with camber cymbals :o. Yall remember them... ha, ha.. Stay Blessed, Nate J.
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Oh yeah, it also had the pedal with the leather strap and the toms had the drum heads were the old remo drum heads where if you position the toms in a certain way the set looks like it's alive and saying "I don't play that and you can't play me!!!".. Someone had an avatar of a set like that not too long ago.. Stay Blessed, Nate J.
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- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals should be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and monitors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.
So, If I got a PDP FS kit in 2004, I'm supposed to get a new one this year? Whoopee!!!!!!
The only problem I have with a "guest" kit is that if I'm the guest, I already know that "guest" is going to be synonymous with "neglected" and "busted" and "improperly set up." Then we're right back to square one of this thread.
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Man, that's not even funny. That's just wrong. Where is the fear of God??? GB.
People are just dumber and bolder these days. I'm glad I haven't had a thief come to my church yet. Imma lay hands on him but it's not gone be in Jesus' name. ;D >:( lol
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So, If I got a PDP FS kit in 2004, I'm supposed to get a new one this year? Whoopee!!!!!!
The only problem I have with a "guest" kit is that if I'm the guest, I already know that "guest" is going to be synonymous with "neglected" and "busted" and "improperly set up." Then we're right back to square one of this thread.
...Nope. You step your game up and get the CX. So if the pattern continues you should have a DW FinishPly in 15 years. ;D ;D ;D
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I'm very blessed to be in chruches who have great drums. The chruch that I'm worshiping with has a DW ( with gold rims and gold lugs ). Matted money /forest green finish, fusion sizes. All the cymbals are Zildjian K custom dry. Evans Eq2 heads, in ear monitors and the whole nine. Plus, they have a gear budget and they believe in blessing the musicians with envolope every sunday. Really nice set up :)... The set at my home chruch is a Arbitor, that happens to be the same green as the DW but with the laquered finish. Fusion sizes...
God is Good :)!
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I'm very blessed to be in chruches who have great drums. The chruch that I'm worshiping with has a DW ( with gold rims and gold lugs ). Matted money /forest green finish, fusion sizes. All the cymbals are Zildjian K custom dry. Evans Eq2 heads, in ear monitors and the whole nine. Plus, they have a gear budget and they believe in blessing the musicians with envolope every sunday. Really nice set up :)... The set at my home chruch is a Arbitor, that happens to be the same green as the DW but with the laquered finish. Fusion sizes...
God is Good :)!
That's tight man.
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I'm very blessed to be in chruches who have great drums. The chruch that I'm worshiping with has a DW ( with gold rims and gold lugs ). Matted money /forest green finish, fusion sizes. All the cymbals are Zildjian K custom dry. Evans Eq2 heads, in ear monitors and the whole nine. Plus, they have a gear budget and they believe in blessing the musicians with envolope every sunday. Really nice set up :)... The set at my home chruch is a Arbitor, that happens to be the same green as the DW but with the laquered finish. Fusion sizes...
God is Good :)!
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Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn...................... .
I dont even know what to say.
That's tight like fretai said.
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I'm very blessed to be in chruches who have great drums. The chruch that I'm worshiping with has a DW ( with gold rims and gold lugs ). Matted money /forest green finish, fusion sizes. All the cymbals are Zildjian K custom dry. Evans Eq2 heads, in ear monitors and the whole nine. Plus, they have a gear budget and they believe in blessing the musicians with envolope every sunday. Really nice set up :)... The set at my home chruch is a Arbitor, that happens to be the same green as the DW but with the laquered finish. Fusion sizes...
God is Good :)!
WOW! :o
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I'm very blessed to be in chruches who have great drums. The chruch that I'm worshiping with has a DW ( with gold rims and gold lugs ). Matted money /forest green finish, fusion sizes. All the cymbals are Zildjian K custom dry. Evans Eq2 heads, in ear monitors and the whole nine. Plus, they have a gear budget and they believe in blessing the musicians with envolope every sunday. Really nice set up :)... The set at my home chruch is a Arbitor, that happens to be the same green as the DW but with the laquered finish. Fusion sizes...
God is Good :)!
Wow Man!! I wish all the churches I play at would have that set-up....
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So, If I got a PDP FS kit in 2004, I'm supposed to get a new one this year? Whoopee!!!!!!
The only problem I have with a "guest" kit is that if I'm the guest, I already know that "guest" is going to be synonymous with "neglected" and "busted" and "improperly set up." Then we're right back to square one of this thread.
The guest should be equal or better than the house kit. You should never short-change a guest in your house.
If the FS is well taking care of you should not need a new kit but you may need the edges recut. However, you may need new hardware. Wear and tear is eminant on the best care for kits. The biggest thing is to know your instrument and how to properly maintainance it in all facets. Inorance and slothfulness cause this type of situation to become a topic.
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Wow Man!! I wish all the churches I play at would have that set-up....
WOW! :o
That's tight man.
Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn.......................
I dont even know what to say.
That's tight like fretai said.
Yeah man, I was sooo happy and excited :o when I walk into the sancuary and saw a DW drumset with the proper cymbals, hardware, mics, pedals behind the shield. All the musician are more than able, plus the Pastor plays DRUMS ;D :)!!!!
At my home chruch, my Pastor give me a blank check and let me have at it at GC, I couldn't go crazy and spend like $3500.00. But that's how we got the Arbitor.
I love that drumset!!!
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Ok this is funny but not funny....Today I had to put my foot pedal to rest that I have had since I started playing when I was 9..12 years strong...lol. Well today during a upbeat song the chain broke...Snap Crackle Pop...So for the remainder of service I had to work the floor tom as a bass...Sound like I was playing swing music during a shout...Just thought I would share this lol
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Some churches just don't feel that the drums are that important so they skimp. I know of a church that spent 20k on a Hammond, 35k on a pipe organ that was only used to play anthems and another 10-15k on a grand piano. Now after all of this, they would not buy the drummer a kit for the church. He had to buy his own. It was a decent kit, but I always brought my kit when I filled in for him. Some people had the nerve to trip because I wanted quality equipment when I brought my kit in to play.
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Some churches just don't feel that the drums are that important so they skimp. I know of a church that spent 20k on a Hammond, 35k on a pipe organ that was only used to play anthems and another 10-15k on a grand piano. Now after all of this, they would not buy the drummer a kit for the church.
Ho-larious!
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Put your foot down and get them to see your point.
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Put your foot down and get them to see your point.
...Kunta-Kintay put his foot down and that mug got chopped off. :-\ ;D ;D ;D
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...Kunta-Kintay put his foot down and that mug got chopped off. :-\ ;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D LMBO!!! Ain't that the troof :D...
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...Kunta-Kintay put his foot down and that mug got chopped off. :-\ ;D ;D ;D
That dude was dippin though...lol... If they wouldn't have had the horses he would have got outta there!!
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lol, yall are wild
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I Got Three Pearl Sets that I love...BUT I WILL NOT TAKE THE TO CHURCH!! Knowing that after church the little kids like to take one stick and jus bang on the drums till they mama snatch them up...if them lil kids touch my 6 pieces ima bust some caps!! LOL ..
But at my church I got a CANNON drumset...anybody heard of them???
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But at my church I got a CANNON drumset...anybody heard of them???
Yeah, they're cheap drums. ;D
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Knowing that after church the little kids like to take one stick and jus bang on the drums till they mama snatch them up...if them lil kids touch my 6 pieces ima bust some caps!! LOL ..
That's funny, but how would they get sticks? Never leave sticks near the drums when you are away from them. After the downbeat, they're supposed to go into your stickbag and off they go with the owner (you).
Hands, I can see, but sticks? Nah...
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That's funny, but how would they get sticks? Never leave sticks near the drums when you are away from them. After the downbeat, they're supposed to go into your stickbag and off they go with the owner (you).
Hands, I can see, but sticks? Nah...
I seen kids take stick....I use to be one brother....the deacons wore me out (joke) .. but i been to churches where kids do that tho.. but yea man my cannon set aint all that..the heads is old and snare stand broke..theres only one ride cymbol and no crashes...
but my church aint all that hippity hoppity..its more elderly people..
matter fact .. im 17 and im one of the few youngest.. so theres no kids bangin unless anotha church comes around
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Just wonderin' but, does anybody else besides me feel kinda bad to tell the kids they cant play after church? Sometimes my conscious bugs me a bit.....
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this thread is 5 months old... lol
Yea i feel bad for those little kids to, my MD tells me to get them off but i feel bad so I let somebody else see them and they take them off. lol
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lol, i know i was searching for something and didnt want to start a new thread, plus i was bored.
But i guess i think about how much i dislike being kicked off of the kit, that i hate to do it to somebody else. But i got no prob tellin' the kids that are just around my kit to bang on stuff. Another thing that bugs me are the kids that always want me to teach them, i wouldnt have a problem with it but there are already too many drummers and we need more bassists, guitarists, keyboardists, organists and horn players.