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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: Keys410 on October 01, 2007, 05:34:03 PM
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Okay fellas here I go asking questions....
While practicing rudiments on VicFirth I realized that my left hand does not play as freely as my right. It feels as if my left hand is stiff compared to my right. How do I get through this? I have made it my goal to practice rudiments every night on a pillow, until I have them with speed and know them by heart. Thanks in advance
P.S. Although I have played for a while and can keep a groove. I want to really learn the drums not just be able to bang on them and make somebody so "Ohhhhh" or "Whoooaaa", but really master this craft. So any other useful links or videos I can invest in would be appreciated. Thanks
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Oh yeah plus I can't break this habit of playing flat footed in my bass foot. Any ideas?
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Try this link http://drummerworld.com/Drumclinic/Joe_Morellokiller.html
I would recommend also practicing what I got from Aaron Green on Gospel Chops- a flamiddle in "3" Flam tap- Flam tap- Flam tap tap. this builds your independence in each hand. Practice it slow with proper sticking so you alternate hands.
I don't think it is a sin to play flat footed on the bass, as long as it is solid and you can play your desired speed.
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Left hand lead...
Practice all your rudiments with your left hand leading. Start your buzz & single stroke rolls with your left hand etc...
You'll see real progress in at least a month's time... once you get there tho... you just gotta maintain it!
As for the bass pedal, if you do like the heel down method (like myself) then just a lot of repetitive practicing. It wouldn't hurt to learn the heel-toe method as well, finding the sweet spot on your pedal does wonders, trust me.
I use the heel down method alot but when I need my foot to move... I'll move to the heel-toe method.
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It does not matter what you do if you don't practice the material at a pace that is conducive to building the mechanics to pull off what is being done. I'm sure you have already heard this from some other source, but the key to playing clean is playing SLOW but with extreme attention to detail. The truth of the matter is that your left hand is always going to be different than your right. That doesn't mean that it has to be weaker. Just keep in mind the mechanics behind each part of the things that you play. Pay detailed attention to the way your right hand opperates and try to make your left hand move with the same fluidity.
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practice doubles with each hand then switch to 3s 4's 5's 6's but if you want to go on to the next number then go ahead but make sure you accent each time you get back to one . start slow then speed up a lil and so on
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Thanks Fellas for all the tips. I will be testing these out over the next few weeks to see which works best for me.
It does not matter what you do if you don't practice the material at a pace that is conducive to building the mechanics to pull off what is being done.
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Yeah, I have started with the bronze which is a tempo I can do. Once I get comfortable I will increase every two weeks.
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also keep in mind what you can do with your hands, you can and soon will be able to do it with your feet. erfect practice makes perfect performance....I dont no my dad tells me that LOL.
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Get Jojo Mayers Secret Weapons DVD and work with that! Also i wouldn't recommend practicing too much on pillows because your muscles will get tense and you will start to grip the stick harder than you're supposed to. learning how to utilize rebound is a far beter way to gain speed and control.
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Get Jojo Mayers Secret Weapons DVD and work with that! Also i wouldn't recommend practicing too much on pillows because your muscles will get tense and you will start to grip the stick harder than you're supposed to. learning how to utilize rebound is a far beter way to gain speed and control.
Man I was going to ask about the pillow thing. Mane!!! My hands and forearms were killing me. I am going to cop the DW practice set this weekend so I will just practice on that. I practice with heavier sticks than I play with as well.
Good Look on that DVD as well
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Hello Mr. Keys410!
If I had any advice that would be beneficial to you, it would be:
-Practice on either a practice pad or an actual drum set so that you learn to develop the proper stroke techniques (natural stroke, down stroke, and up stroke). Agreeing with Mr. TKO05 and learning from personal experience, I've discovered that pillows produce bad technique and put unneccessary strain on your muscles.
-As far as developing better coordination and control, Single strokes are the key. Doubles, four strokes, etc. ALL come from mastering the single stroke. If you can perform single strokes with maximum control then you'll be ready to move on to the next stroke which would be the double stroke, but don't move on to that if you have not developed the single stroke to the point of which you execute it effortlessly in all ranges of dynamics. 4/4 variations will help you in mastering the single stroke.
-If I could recommend any literature that will aid in your growth as a percussionist and musician, it would be the Savage Rudimental Workshop Book by Matt Savage. This book coupled with the information shared here will develop you into the percussionist that you couldn't imagine to be.
May God bless you richly with His presence as you continue to fellowship with Him daily and as you develop your skills as a percussionist!
Sincerely,
Laurence Williams II
P.S. I'm also still working on Single strokes and am learning how to control it using different strokes (natural stroke, down stroke, up stroke), so don't ever feel like you're alone. It's these basic foundations that develop you into a great percussionist as opposed to making beats using licks without full understanding of the application of rudiments. God Bless you! Bye.
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Hello Mr. Keys410!
If I had any advice that would be beneficial to you, it would be:
-Practice on either a practice pad or an actual drum set so that you learn to develop the proper stroke techniques (natural stroke, down stroke, and up stroke). Agreeing with Mr. TKO05 and learning from personal experience, I've discovered that pillows produce bad technique and put unneccessary strain on your muscles.
-As far as developing better coordination and control, Single strokes are the key. Doubles, four strokes, etc. ALL come from mastering the single stroke. If you can perform single strokes with maximum control then you'll be ready to move on to the next stroke which would be the double stroke, but don't move on to that if you have not developed the single stroke to the point of which you execute it effortlessly in all ranges of dynamics. 4/4 variations will help you in mastering the single stroke.
-If I could recommend any literature that will aid in your growth as a percussionist and musician, it would be the Savage Rudimental Workshop Book by Matt Savage. This book coupled with the information shared here will develop you into the percussionist that you couldn't imagine to be.
May God bless you richly with His presence as you continue to fellowship with Him daily and as you develop your skills as a percussionist!
Sincerely,
Laurence Williams II
P.S. I'm also still working on Single strokes and am learning how to control it using different strokes (natural stroke, down stroke, up stroke), so don't ever feel like you're alone. It's these basic foundations that develop you into a great percussionist as opposed to making beats using licks without full understanding of the application of rudiments. God Bless you! Bye.
...Welcome to LGM and thanks for adding your input to the thread. The very thing you've posted above is what we constantly teach 'round here. Welcome.
Sidenote: Pillows are the DEBIL. LOL
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Hello Mr. Keys410!
If I had any advice that would be beneficial to you, it would be:
-Practice on either a practice pad or an actual drum set so that you learn to develop the proper stroke techniques (natural stroke, down stroke, and up stroke). Agreeing with Mr. TKO05 and learning from personal experience, I've discovered that pillows produce bad technique and put unneccessary strain on your muscles.
-As far as developing better coordination and control, Single strokes are the key. Doubles, four strokes, etc. ALL come from mastering the single stroke. If you can perform single strokes with maximum control then you'll be ready to move on to the next stroke which would be the double stroke, but don't move on to that if you have not developed the single stroke to the point of which you execute it effortlessly in all ranges of dynamics. 4/4 variations will help you in mastering the single stroke.
-If I could recommend any literature that will aid in your growth as a percussionist and musician, it would be the Savage Rudimental Workshop Book by Matt Savage. This book coupled with the information shared here will develop you into the percussionist that you couldn't imagine to be.
May God bless you richly with His presence as you continue to fellowship with Him daily and as you develop your skills as a percussionist!
Sincerely,
Laurence Williams II
P.S. I'm also still working on Single strokes and am learning how to control it using different strokes (natural stroke, down stroke, up stroke), so don't ever feel like you're alone. It's these basic foundations that develop you into a great percussionist as opposed to making beats using licks without full understanding of the application of rudiments. God Bless you! Bye.
Man for this to only be your 3rd post..Thank You!!! This information really helps man and the fact you took time to put this together helps.Be blessed
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...Welcome to LGM and thanks for adding your input to the thread. The very thing you've posted above is what we constantly teach 'round here. Welcome.
Sidenote: Pillows are the DEBIL. LOL
JFunky just said it!
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/06/26/wbOPrhs_wideweb__470x379,2.jpg)
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-If I could recommend any literature that will aid in your growth as a percussionist and musician, it would be the Savage Rudimental Workshop Book by Matt Savage.
I agree...this is a great book to add to the collection. I've only had it about a week so I'm just really getting into it but this book along with JoJo's DVD will help you get there. Just don't rush it...take it slow and you'll get it.
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...Welcome to LGM and thanks for adding your input to the thread. The very thing you've posted above is what we constantly teach 'round here. Welcome.
Sidenote: Pillows are the DEBIL. LOL
I didn't know pillows were bad, my cousin told me a long time ago that they were good so I just took his word for it, lol. Education is the nemesis of ignorance, thanks for the enlightenment. Oh, and thanks keys for your question, I learned a lot in this thread. I'm gonna grab that dvd and book.
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Thank You ALL for welcoming me here at LGM and counting me in as family. Though we have not met in person, I still accept you ALL as family. I've learned so much just from the short time that I've registered here. It's good to know that we're on one accord! I felt like I should encourage others and share information because I know what it is like to be misinformed due to misrepresentation as well as limited resources. I was into the Gospelchops.com movement (doing licks..though a bum wouldn't donate a dollar if they heard what I was trying to do at that time :o:'(). I was mislead and knew that I should seek another source that would teach me what to do (rudiments, not licks), how to do it (strokes, dynamics, sticking, etc.), when to do it (timing, patience, accents, tempo, etc.), and why I should do it. This is what I feel LGM offers. Thank you ALL for not misrepresenting and for enlightening the ignorant, the misinformed, and the under-developed!!!
I love you ALL and May God bless you all richly for the humility and wisdom that you chose to share to prevent us from making bad choices whether behind a drum or in life!!!
Sincerely,
Laurence Williams II
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Thank You ALL for welcoming me here at LGM and counting me in as family. Though we have not met in person, I still accept you ALL as family. I've learned so much just from the short time that I've registered here. It's good to know that we're on one accord! I felt like I should encourage others and share information because I know what it is like to be misinformed due to misrepresentation as well as limited resources. I was into the Gospelchops.com movement (doing licks..though a bum wouldn't donate a dollar if they heard what I was trying to do at that time :o:'(). I was mislead and knew that I should seek another source that would teach me what to do (rudiments, not licks), how to do it (strokes, dynamics, sticking, etc.), when to do it (timing, patience, accents, tempo, etc.), and why I should do it. This is what I feel LGM offers. Thank you ALL for not misrepresenting and for enlightening the ignorant, the misinformed, and the under-developed!!!
I love you ALL and May God bless you all richly for the humility and wisdom that you chose to share to prevent us from making bad choices whether behind a drum or in life!!!
Sincerely,
Laurence Williams II
Hey man, GospelChops.com is into teaching as well. Some of the clinicians and spectators took it the other way though. :-X Trust me though, LGM and G. Chops are about teaching. ;)
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Thanks Mr. JFunky! Yeah, there were some on Gospelchops.com that were helpful: DeMiyon Hall (who talked about Phrasing and also a little bit about the spiritual side of music), Jeremy Haynes (who talked about spiritual things as well yet also shared some practical knowledge like dynamics, listening and complimenting other musicians, etc.), Evan Brice or was it Brice Evans(the keyboard/organ player)? hehe... also, Tommy Brown (the bassist). These were some of the individuals that I found to be interesting and helpful. Over a period of time, I got tired of listening to licks and wanted to listen to individuals that make music with purpose. Another thing that was inspiring, was seeing an individual that was showed a sense of pride (showing off his abilities instead of expressing his oneness with Christ on the instruments) yet had exceptional talent as a musician, grow out of that and into a maturity musically and spiritually. This person is Mr. David Jackson. Though I don't know him personally, I've watched him over a period of time and when I look at him (his musicianship of course but also looking at his attitude/body language when he plays and how he responds to his environment) back then and see his more recent video clips, he seems to have matured, and in my eyes that's what it is all about... expressing oneness with Christ in EVERYTHING you do, whether washing dishes, taking the blame when you didn't really do it, or being ridiculed for being unspotted from the world.
Much love in Christ Jesus,
Laurence Williams II
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Thanks Mr. JFunky! Yeah, there were some on Gospelchops.com that were helpful: DeMiyon Hall (who talked about Phrasing and also a little bit about the spiritual side of music), Jeremy Haynes (who talked about spiritual things as well yet also shared some practical knowledge like dynamics, listening and complimenting other musicians, etc.), Evan Brice or was it Brice Evans(the keyboard/organ player)? hehe... also, Tommy Brown (the bassist). These were some of the individuals that I found to be interesting and helpful. Over a period of time, I got tired of listening to licks and wanted to listen to individuals that make music with purpose. Another thing that was inspiring, was seeing an individual that was showed a sense of pride (showing off his abilities instead of expressing his oneness with Christ on the instruments) yet had exceptional talent as a musician, grow out of that and into a maturity musically and spiritually. This person is Mr. David Jackson. Though I don't know him personally, I've watched him over a period of time and when I look at him (his musicianship of course but also looking at his attitude/body language when he plays and how he responds to his environment) back then and see his more recent video clips, he seems to have matured, and in my eyes that's what it is all about... expressing oneness with Christ in EVERYTHING you do, whether washing dishes, taking the blame when you didn't really do it, or being ridiculed for being unspotted from the world.
Much love in Christ Jesus,
Laurence Williams II
You dont know David personally? Where did you get the information about David being a show off?
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Man I was going to ask about the pillow thing. Mane!!! My hands and forearms were killing me. I am going to cop the DW practice set this weekend so I will just practice on that. I practice with heavier sticks than I play with as well.
Good Look on that DVD as well
Trust me Keys... you gon' like that DW Go Anywhere kit. I know I do. ;D
Student21... Welcome to LGM!
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Trust me Keys... you gon' like that DW Go Anywhere kit. I know I do. ;D
Student21... Welcome to LGM!
Man I spend more time on that thing at GC than an actual set...
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Yeah definitely get the extra 8" pad. I can't that where I am & it would've been a real nice addition.
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Yeah definitely get the extra 8" pad. I can't that where I am & it would've been a real nice addition.
How much is that running?
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I have no idea. I live in New Zealand & it took me a whole year just to find a store here that sold the actual practice kit alone (They weren't bringing in the 8" either).
You'll have to check online but from what I've been told its very cheap.
From memory juSe has this practice kit with the 8" pad. Ask him.
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He will see this....
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He will see this....
I see ALL now! ;)
I have been following this topic all day at work, but didn't have the chance to post anything. So here's my take that I have been formulating all day.
*clears throat*
JoJo's DVD is the coldest thing on the market for hand technique. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Welcome to the board L-Boogie (Student21). So respectful this guy is. Calling everyone Mr. and saying yes sir, and no sir and signing his posts with his FULL BIRTH NAME! :D You get a gold star for that, but its not necessasary to be so formal. Your opinions about gospelcops.com are your views and you are entitled to them. I don't too much disagree with you in some aspects of your take. But the thing to keep in mind is that it is FREE. Another thing is fLaTfIfTh is in essence trying to change the way gospel drumming is viewed. He is trying to educate cats that play gospel music with the cats that they/we admire and are on the scene. If you look at a lot of those guys, they are a lot of times not educated in the craft formally. So a lot of the education will be informal. fLaT is trying to change that culture. I will say keep your eyes on gc.com. I am willing to bet you that there are some changes and new things on the horizon... Starting with the SSV2 DVD. ;)
How could one formulate that playing on a pillow is bad for you? If thats the case, Dennis Chambers is a fraud! ;D Playing on a pillow is good for you because it forces you to work on the down stroke AND the up storke. Your have to pay attention to the little things because one must isolate the mechanics of the stroke to get the stick back from the pillow.
I do have the DW practice kit, but I do not have the additional add-on pad. Can't speak too much to that one. I thought J-Stank had the 8" pad... I could be wrong. :-\
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I didn't know pillows were bad, my cousin told me a long time ago that they were good so I just took his word for it, lol. Education is the nemesis of ignorance, thanks for the enlightenment. Oh, and thanks keys for your question, I learned a lot in this thread. I'm gonna grab that dvd and book.
No problem. I ask these questions so that I can get an understanding but realizing I am not the only one who is misinformed.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S6TNLI?ie=UTF8&tag=drummerworld-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000S6TNLI
Amazon is selling it for $32
I see ALL now! ;)
I have been following this topic all day at work, but didn't have the chance to post anything. So here's my take that I have been formulating all day.
*clears throat*
JoJo's DVD is the coldest thing on the market for hand technique. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Welcome to the board L-Boogie (Student21). So respectful this guy is. Calling everyone Mr. and saying yes sir, and no sir and signing his posts with his FULL BIRTH NAME! :D You get a gold star for that, but its not necessasary to be so formal. Your opinions about gospelcops.com are your views and you are entitled to them. I don't too much disagree with you in some aspects of your take. But the thing to keep in mind is that it is FREE. Another thing is fLaTfIfTh is in essence trying to change the way gospel drumming is viewed. He is trying to educate cats that play gospel music with the cats that they/we admire and are on the scene. If you look at a lot of those guys, they are a lot of times not educated in the craft formally. So a lot of the education will be informal. fLaT is trying to change that culture. I will say keep your eyes on gc.com. I am willing to bet you that there are some changes and new things on the horizon... Starting with the SSV2 DVD. ;)
How could one formulate that playing on a pillow is bad for you? If thats the case, Dennis Chambers is a fraud! ;D Playing on a pillow is good for you because it forces you to work on the down stroke AND the up storke. Your have to pay attention to the little things because one must isolate the mechanics of the stroke to get the stick back from the pillow.
I do have the DW practice kit, but I do not have the additional add-on pad. Can't speak too much to that one. I thought J-Stank had the 8" pad... I could be wrong. :-\
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I am def buying JoJo's DVD from the clips I have seen. I thought the pillows helped with speed. In TR Jr. dvd he said to practice on pillows or something with no rebound. Last night when I practiced I had to problem doing it on the snare at all and my arms didn't hurt and I didn't get tired fast. So is the pillows helping or hurting?
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This is all I have to say, and I'll be done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfkYWHKozg
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I see ALL now! ;)
I have been following this topic all day at work, but didn't have the chance to post anything. So here's my take that I have been formulating all day.
*clears throat*
JoJo's DVD is the coldest thing on the market for hand technique. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Welcome to the board L-Boogie (Student21). So respectful this guy is. Calling everyone Mr. and saying yes sir, and no sir and signing his posts with his FULL BIRTH NAME! :D You get a gold star for that, but its not necessasary to be so formal. Your opinions about gospelcops.com are your views and you are entitled to them. I don't too much disagree with you in some aspects of your take. But the thing to keep in mind is that it is FREE. Another thing is fLaTfIfTh is in essence trying to change the way gospel drumming is viewed. He is trying to educate cats that play gospel music with the cats that they/we admire and are on the scene. If you look at a lot of those guys, they are a lot of times not educated in the craft formally. So a lot of the education will be informal. fLaT is trying to change that culture. I will say keep your eyes on gc.com. I am willing to bet you that there are some changes and new things on the horizon... Starting with the SSV2 DVD. ;)
How could one formulate that playing on a pillow is bad for you? If thats the case, Dennis Chambers is a fraud! ;D Playing on a pillow is good for you because it forces you to work on the down stroke AND the up storke. Your have to pay attention to the little things because one must isolate the mechanics of the stroke to get the stick back from the pillow.
I do have the DW practice kit, but I do not have the additional add-on pad. Can't speak too much to that one. I thought J-Stank had the 8" pad... I could be wrong. :-\
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I concur on the Jojo DVD... Nothing nothing nothing will work without effort effort effort! STRIVE/Striving to be ambidextrous via hands/feet is next level. Time to start sweating! :'( ?/? :( >:( As far the DW pad set I too possess plus the 8' add on. I must say I like the hardware; the pads are the absolute worst, which I replaced. On the new DW pad set the bass pad is thicker and I believe the others are the same. For practice, the price and convenience aspects it’s a good investment.
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I concur on the Jojo DVD... Nothing nothing nothing will work without effort effort effort! STRIVE/Striving to be ambidextrous via hands/feet is next level. Time to start sweating! :'( ?/? :( >:( As far the DW pad set I too possess plus the 8' add on. I must say I like the hardware; the pads are the absolute worst, which I replaced. On the new DW pad set the bass pad is thicker and I believe the others are the same. For practice, the price and convenience aspects it’s a good investment.
I will see if they have the 8 when I go to GC tonight to watch the drum off...
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I will see if they have the 8 when I go to GC tonight to watch the drum off...
I think you may have to purchase that add on online, that's where I purchased mine. However, I did buy the pad kit locally GC nor Sam Ash had the add on.
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8) wasssup.....time for my 2 cents ;D
I agree with the practise pads i agree with the pillow....i have also heard that dennis chambers does rudiments with telephone directories duct-taped to his arms to add resistance or weight (dont know how true that is) but any mechanism of practise that adds resistance will definately make you stronger.
Drums is a physical instrument and attention needs to be paid as well to strength training
as for the left hand issue not all of us a ambidetrius (mind the spelling) 8) which is why i have what i call left hand days. where i purposely do everything with my left hand for that day----whether its opening a car door flushing the loo i even put my wrist watch on my right arm as apposed to my normal left hand.....this helps as well trust me. cos now i am forcing my left limb to develop. i even write out like the alphabet with my leftie or take message or use my phone or whatever up till now i have reach 3 lefthand days a week. it feels funny at first but im getting used to it and it is helping so give that a shot
This concept works as follows if your right handed usually you utilse the left side of your brain now using your left hand forces the right side of your brain to kick in, now your using both sides of your brain which means that you are using more of your brain then normal......ever heard them say two heads are better than one...well i say both sides of the brain is better than one
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8) wasssup.....time for my 2 cents ;D
I agree with the practise pads i agree with the pillow....i have also heard that dennis chambers does rudiments with telephone directories duct-taped to his arms to add resistance or weight (dont know how true that is) but any mechanism of practise that adds resistance will definately make you stronger.
Drums is a physical instrument and attention needs to be paid as well to strength training
as for the left hand issue not all of us a ambidetrius (mind the spelling) 8) which is why i have what i call left hand days. where i purposely do everything with my left hand for that day----whether its opening a car door flushing the loo i even put my wrist watch on my right arm as apposed to my normal left hand.....this helps as well trust me. cos now i am forcing my left limb to develop. i even write out like the alphabet with my leftie or take message or use my phone or whatever up till now i have reach 3 lefthand days a week. it feels funny at first but im getting used to it and it is helping so give that a shot
This concept works as follows if your right handed usually you utilse the left side of your brain now using your left hand forces the right side of your brain to kick in, now your using both sides of your brain which means that you are using more of your brain then normal......ever heard them say two heads are better than one...well i say both sides of the brain is better than one
When I broke my right wrist I was forced to use my left hand for everything. Last night when I went to my homeboy crib he flipped his set to a left hand set. I thought it was strange but he is focusing on being able to use his whole body fluently. I might try it with the practice kit tonight
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8) wasssup.....time for my 2 cents ;D
I agree with the practise pads i agree with the pillow....i have also heard that dennis chambers does rudiments with telephone directories duct-taped to his arms to add resistance or weight (dont know how true that is) but any mechanism of practise that adds resistance will definately make you stronger.
Drums is a physical instrument and attention needs to be paid as well to strength training
as for the left hand issue not all of us a ambidetrius (mind the spelling) 8) which is why i have what i call left hand days. where i purposely do everything with my left hand for that day----whether its opening a car door flushing the loo i even put my wrist watch on my right arm as apposed to my normal left hand.....this helps as well trust me. cos now i am forcing my left limb to develop. i even write out like the alphabet with my leftie or take message or use my phone or whatever up till now i have reach 3 lefthand days a week. it feels funny at first but im getting used to it and it is helping so give that a shot
This concept works as follows if your right handed usually you utilse the left side of your brain now using your left hand forces the right side of your brain to kick in, now your using both sides of your brain which means that you are using more of your brain then normal......ever heard them say two heads are better than one...well i say both sides of the brain is better than one
try brushing your teeth using traditional grip with your left hand :P :)
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try brushing your teeth using traditional grip with your left hand :P :)
Sounds like a mess to me.... ;D :D
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I think you could pratice everyday with a broken that is no so easy to get faet or put some thing heavy on i t so when you play after you will get faster and faters as you keep pratice. NO with the left I think ues your left hand as much as the right with any thing then It wont feel erong and not right now that you use both for every thing.
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I think you could pratice everyday with a broken that is no so easy to get faet or put some thing heavy on i t so when you play after you will get faster and faters as you keep pratice. NO with the left I think ues your left hand as much as the right with any thing then It wont feel erong and not right now that you use both for every thing.
Somebody help me understand.....please!!!! ?/? :-\ ?/?
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I think you could pratice everyday with a broken that is not so easy to get fast,(idk?) or put something heavy on your arms(weights) and play with it on(?), you will get faster and faster as you keep praticing. Use the left hand to do the things that you usually do with the right hand. After a while it wont feel wrong(weird) and later you'll be able to use both for every thing and have the same natural feel.
*Vanishes*
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Oooohhh. Okay, I get it. Thanks.
His typing reminds me of that one dude on Fat Albert that no one understands. LOL
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Oooohhh. Okay, I get it. Thanks.
His typing reminds me of that one dude on Fat Albert that no one understands. LOL
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...Hubba sebba hubba sounda lebike mubba mabouth...My bad..He said he sound like Mush Mouth...
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Hey man, GospelChops.com is into teaching as well. Some of the clinicians and spectators took it the other way though. :-X Trust me though, LGM and G. Chops are about teaching. ;)
Classy.
I do have one comment about the pillow stuff, though. When I was younger, I tried it and my hands actually got faster. I will also say that at about that same time, I started paying attention to the mechanics of my hands and noticed the difference in the way that my right and left hand moved. I don't know if it was a combination of the two, but I NEVER used a practice pad.
If I may. . . I believe that the efficiency of a technique depends on the individual. If I practiced on pillows, my hands got faster (with no pain), and I made a couple of adjustments when I moved to the kit. . . did practicing on pillows HURT me? If my purpose for using pillows was to increase SPEED, and my hands actually got faster. . . did practicing on pillows achieve its desired outcome? Would that be the "debil"? I'm just asking because it seems as though many of us are against it, but if the purpose is to increase speed, would it not be serving its purpose?
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*Vanishes*
LOL!!! You good... cuz I read it three times and couldn't make heads or tails of it.
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Oooohhh. Okay, I get it. Thanks.
His typing reminds me of that one dude on Fat Albert that no one understands. LOL
I checked this person's LGM vitals and he/she is a Floridian... LOL!
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I do have one comment about the pillow stuff, though. When I was younger, I tried it and my hands actually got faster. I will also say that at about that same time, I started paying attention to the mechanics of my hands and noticed the difference in the way that my right and left hand moved. I don't know if it was a combination of the two, but I NEVER used a practice pad.
If I may. . . I believe that the efficiency of a technique depends on the individual. If I practiced on pillows, my hands got faster (with no pain), and I made a couple of adjustments when I moved to the kit. . . did practicing on pillows HURT me? If my purpose for using pillows was to increase SPEED, and my hands actually got faster. . . did practicing on pillows achieve its desired outcome? Would that be the "debil"? I'm just asking because it seems as though many of us are against it, but if the purpose is to increase speed, would it not be serving its purpose?
QFT. Although my 'speed' is not up to Jojo Mayer's (yet), it's sure not shabby, either.
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QFT. Although my 'speed' is not up to Jojo Mayer's (yet), it's sure not shabby, either.
Humility is overrated.
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;D
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Humility is overrated.
This was stated because there are dissenting opinions on using pillows. If pillows are the devil, then why did it produce a positive result for me? Of course, that wasn't the only developmental tool that I used coming up.
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This was stated because there are dissenting opinions on using pillows. If pillows are the devil, then why did it produce a positive result for me? Of course, that wasn't the only developmental tool that I used coming up.
I used pillows too, and I didn't have to make any adjustments. I think it was baldeagle that said, it comes down to the individual.
I mean, I'm not giggin' with Big Time Artist A or Big Time Artist B, so I know my opinion probably won't mean squat when compared to someone with a DVD on the shelf.
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.... For the record, Dennis did use telephone books in his practice routine. However, he used his arms to hold them down. Not duct tape. That would defeat the purpose of the whole excersize. The point of the whole thing is to keep your arms as close to your body as possible. A lot of cats when they play have their elbows out like chicken wings while playing. When you see Dennis play, his arms are really close to his sides when he plays because of this. Also, when you see him play he is only using his arms to get to around his kit. His primary stroke starts at his wrist. Not at his shoulder like so many of us... That is part of how he developed his strength technique.
This builds upper body strength (shoulders, back, chest, upper arms) stability/balance and posture. One can not afford to be flailing around all nimbly-bimbly with phone books under your arms.
Give it a shot. I promise you'll notice a difference if you practice 30 minutes a day this way (playing simple snare excersizes out of Stick Control, Master Studies etc...) for 3 weeks.
Do it. I dare you. I DOUBLE-DARE YA... ;D
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This was stated because there are dissenting opinions on using pillows. If pillows are the devil, then why did it produce a positive result for me? Of course, that wasn't the only developmental tool that I used coming up.
...exactly. I feel I've improved a lot more on the black side of the HQ pad than a pillow which you recommended anyway. ;D
.... For the record, Dennis did use telephone books in his practice routine. However, he used his arms to hold them down. Not duct tape. That would defeat the purpose of the whole excersize. The point of the whole thing is to keep your arms as close to your body as possible. A lot of cats when they play have their elbows out like chicken wings while playing. When you see Dennis play, his arms are really close to his sides when he plays because of this. Also, when you see him play he is only using his arms to get to around his kit. His primary stroke starts at his wrist. Not at his shoulder like so many of us... That is part of how he developed his strength technique.
This builds upper body strength (shoulders, back, chest, upper arms) stability/balance and posture. One can not afford to be flailing around all nimbly-bimbly with phone books under your arms.
Give it a shot. I promise you'll notice a difference if you practice 30 minutes a day this way (playing simple snare excersizes out of Stick Control, Master Studies etc...) for 3 weeks.
Do it. I dare you. I DOUBLE-DARE YA... ;D
...the phone book stuff is legit too. You might look crazy but it works.
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.... For the record, Dennis did use telephone books in his practice routine. However, he used his arms to hold them down. Not duct tape. That would defeat the purpose of the whole excersize. The point of the whole thing is to keep your arms as close to your body as possible. A lot of cats when they play have their elbows out like chicken wings while playing. When you see Dennis play, his arms are really close to his sides when he plays because of this. Also, when you see him play he is only using his arms to get to around his kit. His primary stroke starts at his wrist. Not at his shoulder like so many of us... That is part of how he developed his strength technique.
This builds upper body strength (shoulders, back, chest, upper arms) stability/balance and posture. One can not afford to be flailing around all nimbly-bimbly with phone books under your arms.
Give it a shot. I promise you'll notice a difference if you practice 30 minutes a day this way (playing simple snare excersizes out of Stick Control, Master Studies etc...) for 3 weeks.
Do it. I dare you. I DOUBLE-DARE YA... ;D
Ummm...Not right now...lol...I will give this a shot 6 months from now.
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Hey LGM,
Here's my take on a weak left hand (if you will). A weak left hand comes from not really paying attention to it and not really knowing how to control the rebound!!! The rebound is what you need to learn how to control. It's a lifetime study. It's about learning how to let go and let the stick do what it naturally wants to do. It's our technique that makes the stick feel uncomfortable. With that said we need to be able start off the left hand and build endurance. How do we build endurance? We build endurance by adding SMALL incriments (whether it be 2 sixteenths, 2 sets of whatever note value you are working on). However, the main thing that is neglected in younger drummers is the sound that is being produced from your right and left hand strokes. Learning how to adjust your left hand to produce the same amount of force is the main thing. At first you'll feel uncomfortable, but the main thing is to listen to the consistency of your strokes. Using the Reel Feel (Black side) will help you because you are building more strength in your wrists and fingers, however, we need to be careful that not only use the wrist, but the bigger muscles in your hands (forearms for example). Don't neglect all of your hand muscles. More importantly, when you feel fatigued please don't keep going. Because now you're not doing anything, but building tension and tension is the last thing you want to have. ;D ;D ;D ;D.
Pillows are ok...to me they only strengthed your wrists, but being able to control the rebound is what's most impressive to me. Just look at JoJo Mayer, Dave Weckl, Steve Smith enough said LOL!!! Take care and God Bless.
Carlito
www.myspace.com/juancarlosmendoza
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Hey LGM,
Here's my take on a weak left hand (if you will). A weak left hand comes from not really paying attention to it and not really knowing how to control the rebound!!! The rebound is what you need to learn how to control. It's a lifetime study. It's about learning how to let go and let the stick do what it naturally wants to do. It's our technique that makes the stick feel uncomfortable. With that said we need to be able start off the left hand and build endurance. How do we build endurance? We build endurance by adding SMALL incriments (whether it be 2 sixteenths, 2 sets of whatever note value you are working on). However, the main thing that is neglected in younger drummers is the sound that is being produced from your right and left hand strokes. Learning how to adjust your left hand to produce the same amount of force is the main thing. At first you'll feel uncomfortable, but the main thing is to listen to the consistency of your strokes. Using the Reel Feel (Black side) will help you because you are building more strength in your wrists and fingers, however, we need to be careful that not only use the wrist, but the bigger muscles in your hands (forearms for example). Don't neglect all of your hand muscles. More importantly, when you feel fatigued please don't keep going. Because now you're not doing anything, but building tension and tension is the last thing you want to have. ;D ;D ;D ;D.
Pillows are ok...to me they only strengthed your wrists, but being able to control the rebound is what's most impressive to me. Just look at JoJo Mayer, Dave Weckl, Steve Smith enough said LOL!!! Take care and God Bless.
Carlito
www.myspace.com/juancarlosmendoza
...this is excellent. 8)
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Ahhhhhhh....The throne of all thrones...Great practice time...
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i realized a while back that if i dont have much control over my left hand i wont be able to be as good as i wanted to. it takes time, it doesnt come over night. it probably took me about 3 months to get my left hand pretty close to the control i have in my right hand. you have to learn to get loose in your left hand. play match grip and make sure you left hands movement is the same as your right hand. thats what helped me. make sure your using all wrist and no arm. and when your playing at church play lefty and switch around while your playing. that really helps. i fool around alot while i play, switching back and forth constantly, but it really does help you left hand.
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I believe someone earlier in the thread mentioned about making sure the strokes in both hands are consistent. I was practicing some on my HQ, and i noticed that my Vic Firth 7As were made inconsistently, as with the rest of my Vic Firth sticks. I would take one stick out of the two and strike the HQ pad and memorize the sound, then take the other and the strike the HQ pad with the same stick height, etc. as the last and it either gives a higher pitched stroke or lower pitched. Am i the only one that noticed this?
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Consider another variable in the equation: The density of the board used to make the Real Feel. Because it's an organic material, the density will vary greatly, and therefore give a varied pitch in some spots (of the pad).
I'm not totally sure that a whole batch of Vic Firths will be (that) inconsistent.
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Oh, i thought that was it, thanks.
J_kay sounds like he needs to be on the Discovery Channel or the History Channel narrating programs. ;D :P
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Well I got my homeboy teaching me how to make my left hand stronger. Carlito knows my homeboy Ben Ross. Anyway, dude has me practicing grooves and every 4 measures I switch hands on the hi hat. So I will do for measures with my left hand on hi hat, then switch to right, and back again. My left arm was killing me after so it's a clear sign that I don't use it that much and my technique sucks in the left.
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Well I got my homeboy teaching me how to make my left hand stronger. Carlito knows my homeboy Ben Ross. Anyway, dude has me practicing grooves and every 4 measures I switch hands on the hi hat. So I will do for measures with my left hand on hi hat, then switch to right, and back again. My left arm was killing me after so it's a clear sign that I don't use it that much and my technique sucks in the left.
...I feel you on that. When I was taking lessons with my old teacher I went through the same thing. We did 30mins. just on the left hand one day and my forearm went numb and my stick kept slipping out and dropping. My old teacher has a DCI background and he would get flashbacks of his Drum Corps. days with me....scary. LOL
...by the way, you have to see j_kay and Carlito's stick work. :o
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...I feel you on that. When I was taking lessons with my old teacher I went through the same thing. We did 30mins. just on the left hand one day and my forearm went numb and my stick kept slipping out and dropping. My old teacher has a DCI background and he would get flashbacks of his Drum Corps. days with me....scary. LOL
...by the way, you have to see j_kay and Carlito's stick work. :o
I want to peep those two out. My homeboy told me Carlito was nice...