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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: DuvalsLilJohnLumpkin on December 25, 2007, 12:35:28 AM
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Cats, cats, cats!!! :D I've got to be real with you. The whole gospelchops thing, I can't hang bro. I can't do so many chops and so many licks simutaneously. In so many ways I wish I could, but I at the end of the day I would much rather be where I am. I am so simplistic and felt. I seems as if when I play I hear chops through my head, but not through my ears. It's almost like I leave interpretation for fills through my pocket, therefore it leaves people dwelling in their own world on my axis. I guess I am used to being in control of music from the drummers perspective. No doubt, I love playing with more than one drummer, but not when so much is being said simutaneously that means nothing.
- Merry Christmas ! lol ;D
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What does all that nonsense have to do with the title of the post? Perhaps I will never know... perhaps I will never care... *sigh* ::)
God bless
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One thing that I like as a keys player and drummer is a drummer that can stay in the pocket. It's not necessarily about tricks and chops or whatever but can you keep the beat....THATS ALL THAT MATTERS!! So looks like you're my kind of drummer Duvals...lol ;) Stay blessed
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What does all that nonsense have to do with the title of the post? Perhaps I will never know... perhaps I will never care... *sigh* ::)
God bless
Yo its Christmas lol......
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Cats, cats, cats!!! :D I've got to be real with you. The whole gospelchops thing, I can't hang bro. I can't do so many chops and so many licks simutaneously. In so many ways I wish I could, but I at the end of the day I would much rather be where I am. I am so simplistic and felt. I seems as if when I play I hear chops through my head, but not through my ears. It's almost like I leave interpretation for fills through my pocket, therefore it leaves people dwelling in their own world on my axis. I guess I am used to being in control of music from the drummers perspective. No doubt, I love playing with more than one drummer, but not when so much is being said simutaneously that means nothing.
- Merry Christmas ! lol ;D
?/? Where did this stem from? This is so random...did you get blazed in a shed last night?! :D I cant quite follow what youre saying.....again! What do you mean by leaving people dwelling in their world on your axis? You hear chops through your head but not your ears? Please explain. I would like to respect your thoughts but, honestly I cant follow them. And why am I the one always asking you to repeat stuff? Is it just me? Am I the slow one? Or did you add too much fun juice to your egg nog last night? ;D
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Yo its Christmas lol......
Yea it's Christmas, but I feel what Flat is saying. A lot of people blame gospelchops for the shed atmosphere, but it was going on WAY before GospelChops. Also shedding is just one aspect of drumming especially gospel. Just sharing ideas. I can respect it if Duval is saying he can't get down with sheds or whatever, thats cool. But Gospelchops is an organization in and of itself, and it should not be mixed up with the word shed, because it's more than that. To single gospelchops out isn't right. Just my two cents. GB
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Cats, cats, cats!!! :D I've got to be real with you. The whole gospelchops thing, I can't hang bro. I can't do so many chops and so many licks simutaneously. In so many ways I wish I could, but I at the end of the day I would much rather be where I am. I am so simplistic and felt. I seems as if when I play I hear chops through my head, but not through my ears. It's almost like I leave interpretation for fills through my pocket, therefore it leaves people dwelling in their own world on my axis. I guess I am used to being in control of music from the drummers perspective. No doubt, I love playing with more than one drummer, but not when so much is being said simutaneously that means nothing. - Merry Christmas ! lol ;D
I feel you bro based on that last statement. I dont shed(we just dont in the area in which I live) and I'm not knocking them at all. If that's what you do, by all means do it! But for me personally, read the bold print. God bless!!
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What does all that nonsense have to do with the title of the post? Perhaps I will never know... perhaps I will never care... *sigh* ::)
God bless
OK, first of all Flat-Fifth I was not coming against the gospelchops corporation. I think that it is wonderful what you have done through the gospel scene of drumming. You have allowed drummers to be recognized through your organization. What I was saying is that I have another perspective on when cats come together to shed. Remember that small clip that you posted up with Jeremy Haynes, Tony Roster Jr., and Thomas Pridgen? One thing that Jeremy Haynes said when he stopped them both was "Listen...........Listen!" I asked him a long time ago why did he say that to them. He said because so much was going on that it was hard to make music. I am all for coming together to make music at shed sessions. Calvin Rodgers and Spanky both know this. However, I am not for continously having the brothers logic and ideas constantly driven into me. Hopefully we will cross paths because I can show you better than I can tell you.
?/? Where did this stem from? This is so random...did you get blazed in a shed last night?! :D I cant quite follow what youre saying.....again! What do you mean by leaving people dwelling in their world on your axis? You hear chops through your head but not your ears? Please explain. I would like to respect your thoughts but, honestly I cant follow them. And why am I the one always asking you to repeat stuff? Is it just me? Am I the slow one? Or did you add too much fun juice to your egg nog last night? ;D
Duuuuuuuuuuuuddddddddddeeeeeee on Skins!! lol ;) Aight, I was at a jam session last night and after an hour things started to sound the same. One thing that you and me can agree on is that should not be. No doubt it was killin at first, but after a while it got dead. So, when I got on the kit and wanted to play something in an odd meter (6/8) & (7/8), they could not hang. And what frustrated me was that it was obvious that they have not reached to challenged themselves as you have. Not just because they couldn't play in odd meters, but because they had one dynamic of shedding, only two meters that they could play in, only sixteenth note snare, tom, and kick action, and no reverence of the melody or chord progressions through there playing. Hear me when I say that If it were me and you on the kits, that I would have no problem helping you progress in your solo. Trust me. THAT'S MUSIC VIA SHED SESSION!
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OK, first of all Flat-Fifth I was not coming against the gospelchops corporation. I think that it is wonderful what you have done through the gospel scene of drumming. You have allowed drummers to be recognized through your organization. What I was saying is that I have another perspective on when cats come together to shed. Remember that small clip that you posted up with Jeremy Haynes, Tony Roster Jr., and Thomas Pridgen? One thing that Jeremy Haynes said when he stopped them both was "Listen...........Listen!" I asked him a long time ago why did he say that to them. He said because so much was going on that it was hard to make music. I am all for coming together to make music at shed sessions. Calvin Rodgers and Spanky both know this. However, I am not for continously having the brothers logic and ideas constantly driven into me. Hopefully we will cross paths because I can show you better than I can tell you.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuddddddddddeeeeeee on Skins!! lol ;) Aight, I was at a jam session last night and after an hour things started to sound the same. One thing that you and me can agree on is that should not be. No doubt it was killin at first, but after a while it got dead. So, when I got on the kit and wanted to play something in an odd meter (6/8) & (7/8), they could not hang. And what frustrated me was that it was obvious that they have not reached to challenged themselves as you have. Not just because they couldn't play in odd meters, but because they had one dynamic of shedding, only two meters that they could play in, only sixteenth note snare, tom, and kick action, and no reverence of the melody or chord progressions through there playing. Hear me when I say that If it were me and you on the kits, that I would have no problem helping you progress in your solo. Trust me. THAT'S MUSIC VIA SHED SESSION!
I figured you wasn't directing this thread to the Gospelchops site. I was confused at first...
I totally agree with you on the second quote.
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I figured you wasn't directing this thread to the Gospelchops site. I was confused at first...
I totally agree with you on the second quote.
Yea I agree with that as well, my fault for misinterpreting your main point. GB ;)
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:DWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS LGM FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!! Nice stuff fellas!!! Passion is definitly something that cant be shut down!!!!!!!!!!! So everybody go get some turkey and dressing and spend some time with ur family. It's Christmas for God sake!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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:DWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS LGM FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!! Nice stuff fellas!!! Passion is definitly something that cant be shut down!!!!!!!!!!! So everybody go get some turkey and dressing and spend some time with ur family. It's Christmas for God sake!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Alright, am full of Fried Turkey, dressing, and mac n' cheeeeeessssssssseeee!
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2 words ..... LETS GROOVE...
GodsDrummEr....
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I think JL is talking about this kind of shedding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvEdHRrAflg&feature=related
I think your thought came out confusing, but like EVERYTHING else in the world there are going to be differences of OPINIONS.
Can you have both? is it impossible to be a great mix of Steve Jordan & Dana Hawkins?
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I think JL is talking about this kind of shedding
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvEdHRrAflg&feature=related[/url]
I think your thought came out confusing, but like EVERYTHING else in the world there are going to be differences of OPINIONS.
Can you have both? is it impossible to be a great mix of Steve Jordan & Dana Hawkins?
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*logs out*
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I think JL is talking about this kind of shedding
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvEdHRrAflg&feature=related[/url]
I think your thought came out confusing, but like EVERYTHING else in the world there are going to be differences of OPINIONS.
Can you have both? is it impossible to be a great mix of Steve Jordan & Dana Hawkins?
Bro that is what I strive for everytime I step to the kit!
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I understand your frustration DLJL. "Chops" outside of a musical context do not move me either. I stay away from the multi-drum kit, 20 drummers-1 keyboard "sheds". The cats all end up playing the same licks after a while. I remember the days when shed meant woodshed. It was one-on-one practice. Time to work out things on your own. I don't know when or how shed took on the meaning that it did.... :-\ It just seems to me that cats dont want to play music anymore. They are aiming for the oooh wheee factor instead of becoming great musicians. The thing that cats are missing is that chops do not equal musicianship.
Just a question tho.... Why did you title this thread "Gospelchops..."?
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I understand your frustration DLJL. "Chops" outside of a musical context do not move me either. I stay away from the multi-drum kit, 20 drummers-1 keyboard "sheds". The cats all end up playing the same licks after a while. I remember the days when shed meant woodshed. It was one-on-one practice. Time to work out things on your own. I don't know when or how shed took on the meaning that it did.... :-\ It just seems to me that cats dont want to play music anymore. They are aiming for the oooh wheee factor instead of becoming great musicians. The thing that cats are missing is that chops do not equal musicianship.
Just a question tho.... Why did you title this thread "Gospelchops..."?
Ditto ;)
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What does all that nonsense have to do with the title of the post? Perhaps I will never know... perhaps I will never care... *sigh* ::)
God bless
Why don't you ask me for an understanding? If that is your descision I understand.
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Just a question tho.... Why did you title this thread "Gospelchops..."?
This has probably all been beat to death.....and when I saw the title I thought it was about GospelChops the org as well....but I think the post was m ore about the phenomenon. GospelChops the organization is about education, inspiration, encouragement. But also, due to the popularity of Flat's organization, when many think "shed sessions" and chops in church, they think goespel chops and vice versa. I think Lil John may have just been using "GospelChops" in a broad sense describing the era we are in as far as drumming goes in the church, and not the org. John is a great dude, and Flat....Man I hope to see you succeed in your task, and I hope to help as much as I can. A lot of times we may not transcribe our thoughts clearly, or we may not have the time to proof read etc...but in MOST cases, not all, but most cases, with many of the older members, there is no intent in our posts. If there is a misunderstanding, try to work it out thru the PM and I feel in most cases the poster will prob correct his post to better illustrate his point of view.
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sounds like someone was talking against the Holy Spirit. Geesh
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I think Lil John may have just been using "GospelChops" in a broad sense describing the era we are in as far as drumming goes in the church, and not the org.
Just like the same thing when people associate the movie, "Drumline" with all aspects of marching percussion. >:(
I hate that. >:(
Grr! >:(
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No for real.
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Well since Christmas has passed, i can comment now! 1st of all lets put away the theory "Gospel Chops" theirs no such thing! Theirs a website called Gospelchops.com created by my man Gerald F. but "Gospelchops" is a name for a brand not a style of play!!! Because quiet as its kept the generation behind me is not playing "Gospelchops" they're playing great licks inside of gospel music but, to say its "Gospelchops" thats just our way of having some type of ownership or "club" outside of the other style's of music. 2ndly at the end of the night it's all music, and expression! My man Lil' John was simply pointing out is that "HE!!!!!!!" is somewhere totally different as it relates to his style of play or the "School" he comes from, and i respect that! And i know him well enough to know that "HE'S!!!!! confident in being right there. So family please lets not forget that "WE" are made different, think different, Play different, sound different, and talk different and thats the beauty of "HIM" being him and "YOU" being you! no one is suppose to play alike or think alike or agree on everything, lets embrace that theirs someone else in this WORLD!!!! that likes different things because thats the only way we'll keep learning how to re-invent ourselves!!!!!!!! I appreciate this not getting out of hand and going personal because it could've, i appreciate u guys growing level of maturity.
And My Man Flat-fifth HOMIE!!!!! Stop defending what GOD!!!!! gave you to do! Just use it wisely and dont compromise just so the world will except what ur doing, as long as you always have the right people involved in it "WE'LL ALWAYS SUPPORT YOU FAM!!!!!! 1 LOVE HOMIE!
Happy New Year To All My Learngospelmusic Family! And the Gospelchops Family. LOVE U GUYS!!!!!!!!!
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Well since Christmas has passed, i can comment now! 1st of all lets put away the theory "Gospel Chops" theirs no such thing! Theirs a website called Gospelchops.com created by my man Gerald F. but "Gospelchops" is a name for a brand not a style of play!!! Because quiet as its kept the generation behind me is not playing "Gospelchops" they're playing great licks inside of gospel music but, to say its "Gospelchops" thats just our way of having some type of ownership or "club" outside of the other style's of music. 2ndly at the end of the night it's all music, and expression! My man Lil' John was simply pointing out is that "HE!!!!!!!" is somewhere totally different as it relates to his style of play or the "School" he comes from, and i respect that! And i know him well enough to know that "HE'S!!!!! confident in being right there. So family please lets not forget that "WE" are made different, think different, Play different, sound different, and talk different and thats the beauty of "HIM" being him and "YOU" being you! no one is suppose to play alike or think alike or agree on everything, lets embrace that theirs someone else in this WORLD!!!! that likes different things because thats the only way we'll keep learning how to re-invent ourselves!!!!!!!! I appreciate this not getting out of hand and going personal because it could've, i appreciate u guys growing level of maturity.
And My Man Flat-fifth HOMIE!!!!! Stop defending what GOD!!!!! gave you to do! Just use it wisely and dont compromise just so the world will except what ur doing, as long as you always have the right people involved in it "WE'LL ALWAYS SUPPORT YOU FAM!!!!!! 1 LOVE HOMIE!
Happy New Year To All My Learngospelmusic Family! And the Gospelchops Family. LOVE U GUYS!!!!!!!!!
And the church said yes...............................yes.. .......................yes............A MEN!