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Gospel Instruments => Bass Guitar => Topic started by: jeremyr on February 12, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
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Well people, I think it's time for me to find a new rig.
Currently I'm sporting a Kustom Groove 1200HD,Aguilar GS410, and peavy 1x15
The 1x15 will not be going anywhere as I leave that amp at the church for practice, but I'm thinking of clearing out the Kustom and the Aguilar GS410 for well....i don't know yet.
What I have a hankering for right now are either.
GK 1001RB & Gk 410
Peavy Tour head and 410
Hartke Killo 1000 head and HyDrive 410
Keeping the Kustom head, selling the Aguilar and getting a Avatar 410
Anyone have any suggestions?
I'm not trying to spend more thant $700 after I sell my Aggie, so please keep that in mind. And I don't do 12's...lol
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Jeremyr, I noticed you left out Eden in you fab favs any reason why?
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Jeremyr, I noticed you left out Eden in you fab favs any reason why?
Mainly because even selling my gs410 I would be out of my price range trying to find a used eden 410xlt and a wtxxx
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You might be surprised my brother you need to check out the eden forum which I belong to, their is always some good bargains there.
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JeremyR
I gotta tell you take a look at the GK1001 w/ the 2/12 neo cab. Out here inthe valley I am running a GK 700 w/ the 2/12 and when I travel I beef it up w/ the GK 1001 and a extra 1/12 on top. man it is smooth from the top all the way to the bottom.
Be Blessed
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Oh and it only weighs a total of 75lbs
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I have the GK 1001RB-II and it's the real deal for your hard earned money. It's a fantastic head, even aside from the whole "bang for your buck" mindset. I use it on my Avatar B410 NEO and I take the B210 NEO for out of town trips, and it's SOLID.
And I agree with M5P, don't count out Eden. You can find some great deals on a used 410, just keep your eyes open... In fact, right here in Austin...
http://www.bassemporium.com/item.php?sku=21213
http://www.bassemporium.com/item.php?sku=20855
And on Talkbass...
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=402703
But if all else fails, GK + Avatar = B-B-B-BOOM!!!!!
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GK 1001RBII and an Avatar 4x10 in black tolex! Sweet rig! Those new Hartke heads and cabs look inviting though.
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GK 1001RBII and an Avatar 4x10 in black tolex! Sweet rig! Those new Hartke heads and cabs look inviting though.
Better yet, pay the extra bit and get the Line-X coating. Durable, lasting, and very clean looking. That's what I got for both of my cabs.
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i agree wit everyone else...GK is definitely killin'!!!!!!...but im in love with my eden.....and if you shop around you can find some great deals online. no one ever talks about this site, but i love it!!!! check out americanmusical.com....they do payment plans and they will send you the item with the first payment!!!! thats how i got my eden cab......
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Better yet, pay the extra bit and get the Line-X coating. Durable, lasting, and very clean looking. THat's what I got for both of my cabs.
Man. The picture of that kid is priceless. I think he's ready to play... Do he have his calluses yet?
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Better yet, pay the extra bit and get the Line-X coating. Durable, lasting, and very clean looking. THat's what I got for both of my cabs.
My nephew's son was about seven months old, sitting in his father's lap, kicking his foot to the music -- IN BEAT!! What the...
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You might be surprised my brother you need to check out the eden forum which I belong to, their is always some good bargains there.
You're right. I scored my wt800 for $825 on eden's forum, and my 410xlt on TB for $450.
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You're right. I scored my wt800 for $825 on eden's forum, and my 410xlt on TB for $450.
Wow, that was a good score indeed!
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You're right. My head was made in 95 and I don't know about the cab. It has the banana plugs so fairly old. Both sound and work like a charm. I get mad compliments on the rig.
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Im going to go against the norm and mention Genz Benz. Their gear CRUSHES! I have the GBE 600 (plan on getting the 750) and NEOX 212 and this amp is so versatile. You have SS and Tube, or you can mix the two. The bass player in my army band is now a converted GB head after hearing mine. I have yet to play and not get mad compliments on my sound. I play alot of diff genres, but I swear this amp is a best kept secret in gospel.
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I've heard great things about Genz Benz... I wish I could find some of that gear locally to give it a test run.
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I think I might go with the follwoing
GK Fusion 550 head (http://gallien.com/spotlight.html)
Avatar 4x10
Avatar 1x12
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i checked out that fusion 550. the memory feature where the knobs turn to your memorized settings is crazy!
no issues of the loss of wattage switching from the kustom?
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i checked out that fusion 550. the memory feature where the knobs turn to your memorized settings is crazy!
no issues of the loss of wattage switching from the kustom?
i don't think the wattage thing will be an issue unless I hit an outdoor venu, but then again I doubt you will ever play in any church or outdoor gospel enviroment where you ne ed a full 1200 watts...LOLOL
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but thats at 2 ohms. its only 700W at 4 ohms (i think)
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but thats at 2 ohms. its only 700W at 4 ohms (i think)
I run 2 ohms...lol
I have a 4ohm aggie GS410 and a 4ohm Peavy blx15
granted I don't crank it up past half.
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Honestly my brothers unless your playing for an outside gig 300 - 500 watts is all you really need, anything above that your looking at losing a bit on your tone for the sake of wattage. I don't know about you but all of the compliments I get about my Axe and rig are focused on the tone I produce not how loud I was. Just food for thought.
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Honestly my brothers unless your playing for an outside gig 300 - 500 watts is all you really need, anything above that your looking at losing a bit on your tone for the sake of wattage. I don't know about you but all of the compliments I get about my Axe and rig are focused on the tone I produce not how loud I was. Just food for thought.
I agree, and btw I do have my setup running in bridge mode so my single cab can handle the wattage, but I don't have to crank mine up that much at all. Even when I did an outside venue with 3 keyboards, guitar, electric drums, organ and mics all running through the house, my tone was heard and my bass was felt with me only having my volume set at half. Did I mention that I turned the DI down to really test out the rig? ;D
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Honestly my brothers unless your playing for an outside gig 300 - 500 watts is all you really need, anything above that your looking at losing a bit on your tone for the sake of wattage. I don't know about you but all of the compliments I get about my Axe and rig are focused on the tone I produce not how loud I was. Just food for thought.
The reason I need alot of power due to the sheer size of our sanctuary (3 1/2 stories tall with a dome).
500 watts should do the trick definitely, but I also play outside during our camp meetings which hosts around 2-3K people, so I need the flexibiltiy with headroom due to the different areanas I play at.
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The reason I need alot of power due to the sheer size of our sanctuary (3 1/2 stories tall with a dome).
500 watts should do the trick definitely, but I also play outside during our camp meetings which hosts around 2-3K people, so I need the flexibiltiy with headroom due to the different areanas I play at.
So, a 300-watt head and a 4 by 10 cab should be adequate for a sanctuary that seats, say, 700?
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The reason I need alot of power due to the sheer size of our sanctuary (3 1/2 stories tall with a dome).
500 watts should do the trick definitely, but I also play outside during our camp meetings which hosts around 2-3K people, so I need the flexibiltiy with headroom due to the different areanas I play at.
Indeed as I stated in my initial response if your playing for Creflow Dollar or TD Jakes size sanctuary and your not utilizing the house system, then by all means the Eden 1000wt or equivalent head and associated cabs is what's-up, but for a smaller church 200 people or less my initial wattage estimate should be ample.
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Here is what I rock with and it handles every situation without question, I suggest though that you consider your cabs very carefully. Meaning 8 ohms or 4 ohms the specs will explain this concept which helps you determine how much wattage you will be delivering to the cabs.
WT550 SPECS
Power 8Ω/4Ω/2Ω 300/500/750W RMS
Power Mono Bridge N/A
Distortion <.05%
Frequency Response 10Hz - 15KHz ±2dB
Headroom 3dB
Dimensions 12"W x 3.5"H x 12"D
Weight 20 LBS
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Indeed as I stated in my initial response if your playing for Creflow Dollar or TD Jakes size sanctuary and your not utilizing the house system, then by all means the Eden 1000wt or equivalent head and associated cabs is what's-up, but for a smaller church 200 people or less my initial wattage estimate should be ample.
yup, sadly enough our system needs some work, so I never go through the house :(
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yup, sadly enough our system needs some work, so I never go through the house :(
I wish I didn't have to. :-\ That's why I want a new rig.
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I wish I didn't have to. :-\ That's why I want a new rig.
Are you forced to go through the house? if not, get your rig and use it. My equipment is mine, and if I don't feel that your house system can produce the sound I'm looking for or can't handle it, I won't plug into it. Thanks my opinion.
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Honestly my brothers unless your playing for an outside gig 300 - 500 watts is all you really need, anything above that your looking at losing a bit on your tone for the sake of wattage. I don't know about you but all of the compliments I get about my Axe and rig are focused on the tone I produce not how loud I was. Just food for thought.
yeah my peavey tour 700 does 700watts through 4ohms and my church only seats about 200 and i dont use full power, but i thought it would be a good investment should i do other venues, or the possibility that my church might start doing street services again in the future. i wouldnt want to have to upgrade yet again. but i understand where your coming from.
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The only thing about not using a P.A. is that you tend to get loud onstage. It's one thing to have the wattage available and another to use the power 'all willy nilly' just 'cause it's there. A large church SHOULD have a P.A.
If you can afford to have more power, I say get it. I have an 800w@4ohm Yorkville that I doubt I'll ever utilize that much power onstage. If I need to be that loud, there has to be P.A. support.
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Are you forced to go through the house? if not, get your rig and use it. My equipment is mine, and if I don't feel that your house system can produce the sound I'm looking for or can't handle it, I won't plug into it. Thanks my opinion.
I am not forced but my current rig is a Fender Bassman 100, which won't carry the room. Add to that the fact that the sound technicians know squat about equilization.
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I am not forced but my current rig is a Fender Bassman 100, which won't carry the room. Add to that the fact that the sound technicians know squat about equilization.
I gotcha now. BTW, save up and get your own rig since the technicians know squat about equalization. ;D
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I gotcha now. BTW, save up and get your own rig since the technicians know squat about equalization. ;D
Thanks. I am thinking a 300-watt head and 410 cab in the $500 - $600 price range. Do you have any suggestions?
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maybe an Avatar with a GK Backline 600? I'm not quite sure. Others do have experience with these products, I don't.
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Go for the 700RB-II or the 1001RB-II. The 1001 will give you plenty of headroom and you'll never have to turn it past noon on the gain unless you're trying to knock down walls.
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Go for the 700RB-II or the 1001RB-II. The 1001 will give you plenty of headroom and you'll never have to turn it past noon on the gain unless you're trying to knock down walls.
Thanks. Can you tell me who the manufacturer is?
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I'm being prejudicial here but I would say go to the David Eden Forum and cop yourself a used
WT 550 and if you have enough cheddar left over cop the 410XLT. You'll be thanking me later.
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I'm being prejudicial here but I would say go to the David Eden Forum and cop yourself a used
WT 550 and if you have enough cheddar left over cop the 410XLT. You'll be thanking me later.
You're not lying there. That's what I did.
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The only thing about not using a P.A. is that you tend to get loud onstage. It's one thing to have the wattage available and another to use the power 'all willy nilly' just 'cause it's there. A large church SHOULD have a P.A.
If you can afford to have more power, I say get it. I have an 800w@4ohm Yorkville that I doubt I'll ever utilize that much power onstage. If I need to be that loud, there has to be P.A. support.
DWBass you be the man without a doubt I only wish I had a chance to shed with you my brother before I left NY. The Yorkville is a nice piece I'm just saying unless you plan on doing it large or have a need for that much power I personally would place my emphasis on musicianship rather than being loud. If your good people will seek you out, but if your to loud people might shut you out, prolific but true.
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I hear you. I actually bought that Yorkville due to an incredible deal (less than $350) that I just could not pass up. 500w is actually all I would ever need. I'm actually looking to trade that monster in for one of those new 'micro' bass amps like a Markbass LMII or a similar 500w micro amp!
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Thanks. Can you tell me who the manufacturer is?
Gallien-Krueger
I hear you. I actually bought that Yorkville due to an incredible deal (less than $350) that I just could not pass up. 500w is actually all I would ever need. I'm actually looking to trade that monster in for one of those new 'micro' bass amps like a Markbass LMII or a similar 500w micro amp!
Dude, I was ready to sell the GK for a minute when I tried that Markbass F1. 500W, and a super small profile. I could have put that thing in my gig bag EASILY! I was amazed! A good choice for those looking to travel as light as possible. Make sure you try one, I actually liked it more than the LMII.
And like M5P said... if you can get Eden used, DO IT.
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One thing that I must clarify right quick some. More watts doesn't necessarily mean more volume. More volume comes with more cone surface area. I may have upwards of 1000 watts bridge towards my 410 cab, but Main5Playah has an extra cone which is more surface area, and will be louder than me if we were to play side by side. I learned this info from users in the Eden forum.
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One thing that I must clarify right quick some. More watts doesn't necessarily mean more volume. More volume comes with more cone surface area. I may have upwards of 1000 watts bridge towards my 410 cab, but Main5Playah has an extra cone which is more surface area, and will be louder than me if we were to play side by side. I learned this info from users in the Eden forum.
definitely. its more surface area you pushin. my 4x10 cab gets the full 700watts because its 4ohms but if i hooked up 2 8ohm 4x10 cabs to get the same 700watts i would get way more volume because im moving more air because i have more surface area. (i just didnt feel like payin for 2 cabs. LOL. plus i dont have the room)
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Are you forced to go through the house? if not, get your rig and use it. My equipment is mine, and if I don't feel that your house system can produce the sound I'm looking for or can't handle it, I won't plug into it. Thanks my opinion.
Exactly