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Let's just say... that I am someone you know...
Whether it be in passing or a closer relationship....
And some way shape or form you find out that I have been in a consistant sexual relationship with someone that I am not married to....
What would you do in response to what you learned?
Or would u do nothing and shrug your shoulders and keep it moving?
Seems like a dumb question but I promise I have a point
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Not in my place to pass judgement on you. I might sid down and talk to you, but other than that I wouldn't stop all communications with you. Everyone does not life completely perfect in his sight!
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I would minister to you once (maybe twice if there's something I forgot to say the first time around).
As a personal rule, I don't believe in beating people over the head with the Bible. I hope that my life will say more than my words will. I try to draw with lovingkindness, not with judgment or preaching with "enticing words."
And what I like most about me (lol)... I wouldn't look at you any differently. You're just a woman who loves the Lord and hasn't put her flesh under subjection yet.
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I wouldnt say anything. You know what you are doing is wrong, and you are a grown *** woman, its not my place to tell a grown woman what to do in her sex life, esp. when she already knows its wrong.
Everybody on this site knows somebody who is having sex out of wedlock, and I doubt most of them are going to confront all of thier friends and aquaintances and talk to them about how they are living in sin.
Maybe if I were thier spiritual mentor, then I would, but otherwise, I'd just get a bunch of screw faces from them.
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U13, you made me realize a flaw in my answer.
For the record, my answer is for a saved person who is consistently having premarital sex.
If this friend of mine were unsaved, I wouldn't say anything. Why would I expect an unsaved person to live according to the Bible? I would just continue letting my light shine in front of her so that she may see my good works and glorifly God for herself.
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For the record, my answer is for a saved person who is consistently having premarital sex.
If this friend of mine were unsaved, I wouldn't say anything. Why would I expect an unsaved person to live according to the Bible? I would just continue letting my light shine in front of her so that she may see my good works and glorifly God for herself.
Very interesting. I wonder if someone was to poll the LGM family, would most of us have friends that were saved or mostly friends that were not saved.
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Very interesting. I wonder if someone was to poll the LGM family, would most of us have friends that were saved or mostly friends that were not saved.
I can answer that right now.... no poll necessary. LOL
When I first started posting here, I made reference to the fact that one of my best friends is somewhere between atheist and agnostic. Let's just say that wasn't well received around here.
It's cool, though. She's still one of my best friends, and she's still somewhere between atheist and agnostic.
Seriously though, most people will probably admit to having an unsaved acquaintance. It is what it is, man. :-\
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I can answer that right now.... no poll necessary. LOL
When I first started posting here, I made reference to the fact that one of my best friends is somewhere between atheist and agnostic. Let's just say that wasn't well received around here.
It's cool, though. She's still one of my best friends, and she's still somewhere between atheist and agnostic.
Seriously though, most people will probably admit to having an unsaved acquaintance. It is what it is, man. :-\
Has she always been atheist/agnostic? I forget whether you mentioned that or not.
For the record, who one hangs out with has really no bearing on that individual. Don't believe me; take a look at those who walked CLOSELY with Jesus.
I'll holla!
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U13, you made me realize a flaw in my answer.
For the record, my answer is for a saved person who is consistently having premarital sex.
If this friend of mine were unsaved, I wouldn't say anything. Why would I expect an unsaved person to live according to the Bible? I would just continue letting my light shine in front of her so that she may see my good works and glorifly God for herself.
Yes I ment ...me being saved ...
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I can answer that right now.... no poll necessary. LOL
When I first started posting here, I made reference to the fact that one of my best friends is somewhere between atheist and agnostic. Let's just say that wasn't well received around here.
It's cool, though. She's still one of my best friends, and she's still somewhere between atheist and agnostic.
Seriously though, most people will probably admit to having an unsaved acquaintance. It is what it is, man. :-\
Now that I think about it, most of my friends aren't saved. The majority of them do acknowledge a relationship of some sort with God (or a God) but don't subscribe to any particular organized religion. They respect my beliefs and I respect theirs.
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I can answer that right now.... no poll necessary. LOL
When I first started posting here, I made reference to the fact that one of my best friends is somewhere between atheist and agnostic. Let's just say that wasn't well received around here.
*in my best Patrick Stewart voice**
"STONE HER! STONE HER! HER AND THE WHOLE BLOODY LOT OF THEM!"
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*in my best Patrick Stewart voice**
"STONE HER! STONE HER! HER AND THE WHOLE BLOODY LOT OF THEM!"
Why Patrick Stewart? ?/?
Other than that: :D :D :D :D :D
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I would minister to you once (maybe twice if there's something I forgot to say the first time around).
As a personal rule, I don't believe in beating people over the head with the Bible. I hope that my life will say more than my words will. I try to draw with lovingkindness, not with judgment or preaching with "enticing words."
And what I like most about me (lol)... I wouldn't look at you any differently. You're just a woman who loves the Lord and hasn't put her flesh under subjection yet.
So you.... being in the body of Christ... would... as a mature spiritual individual ... apply GAL 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
So is it safe to say... that out of love for the body of Christ... you would just remind me...even though I fell and know better, that what im doing is wrong and that God is has extended mercy to the believers and that I should repent and seek him for delieverence so that I can be victorious in my dealings with the spirit of lust.
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Let's just say... that I am someone you know...
Whether it be in passing or a closer relationship....
And some way shape or form you find out that I have been in a consistent sexual relationship with someone that I am not married to....
What would you do in response to what you learned?
Or would u do nothing and shrug your shoulders and keep it moving?
Seems like a dumb question but I promise I have a point
For me it would matter if you're in ministry (in my Church) or not. If you are up on the stage every Sunday ministering then I would have a problem and say something to you. Or get the Pastors to deal with it... But if you are just a regular Jo then I leave it up to you and Jesus.
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Has she always been atheist/agnostic? I forget whether you mentioned that or not.
For the record, you one hangs out with has really no bearing on that individual. Don't believe me; take a look at those who walked CLOSELY with Jesus.
I'll holla!
No, she used to be saved, sanctified, and Holy Ghost-filled. But, I didn't know her then. When I met her, she considered herself an atheist. After a few conversations, I determined that she's more agnostic than atheist.
And as for that second paragraph: COSIGN. ;)
So you.... being in the body of Christ... would... as a mature spiritual individual ... apply GAL 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
So is it safe to say... that out of love for the body of Christ... you would just remind me...even though I fell and know better, that what im doing is wrong and that God is has extended mercy to the believers and that I should repent and seek him for delieverence so that I can be victorious in my dealings with the spirit of lust.
I live, breathe, and eat Galatians 6:1. I think it's my most-quoted verse. So yeah, that's pretty much the approach I'd take. I believe that if you are saved, then you already know you shouldn't be having pre-marital sex. All you need from me is love, prayer, and encouragement. If you intend to continue having sex with this dude, I'm not going to continue to preach to you. I'll share with you one time, and leave you in God's hands.
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Let's just say... that I am someone you know...
Whether it be in passing or a closer relationship....
And some way shape or form you find out that I have been in a consistant sexual relationship with someone that I am not married to....
What would you do in response to what you learned?
Or would u do nothing and shrug your shoulders and keep it moving?
Seems like a dumb question but I promise I have a point
Shrug and keep it moving. That is between you, that person, and God.
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For me it would matter if you're in ministry (in my Church) or not. If you are up on the stage every Sunday ministering then I would have a problem and say something to you. Or get the Pastors to deal with it... But if you are just a regular Jo then I leave it up to you and Jesus.
so no one other than Larue would love me enough to pray for me or pick me up and remind me of my place in God... whether i know better or not .... i still live in this flesh... even paul said when he would do good evil is present... so that says salvation doesnt eliminate problems...but it gives u a solution and that no one can walk a perfect walk. And to remind me that inspite of what ive done... i can be restored... and turn away and the Lords love is still continual...
Thats sad... When did the body become so cold.... Remember... Our righteousness is as flithy rags .... so even if you are not in THAT postion... u are doing SOMETHING that is displeasing God... even if its just not getting to church on time...
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so no one other than Larue would love me enough to pray for me or pick me up and remind me of my place in God...
How did you come to that conclusion? That's not what I read in this thread at all...
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so no one other than Larue would love me enough to pray for me or pick me up and remind me of my place in God... whether i know better or not .... i still live in this flesh... even paul said when he would do good evil is present... so that says salvation doesnt eliminate problems...but it gives u a solution and that no one can walk a perfect walk. And to remind me that inspite of what ive done... i can be restored... and turn away and the Lords love is still continual...
Thats sad... When did the body become so cold.... Remember... Our righteousness is as flithy rags .... so even if you are not in THAT postion... u are doing SOMETHING that is displeasing God... even if its just not getting to church on time...
So, you're point is that BOTH you, and the individual "confronting" you are wrong in the eyesight of God?
How did you come to that conclusion? That's not what I read in this thread at all...
Good point.
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How did you come to that conclusion? That's not what I read in this thread at all...
Im sorry i thought i saw post that said they would keep it moving.... my fault
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So, you're point is that BOTH you, and the individual "confronting" you are wrong in the eyesight of God?
Where did u get that from?
Its a good thing for someone to "confront" me if thats what u want to call it.... do just be like... whatever long as it isnt me...
I was aplauding what LaRue said as far as just showing me love and encouragement....
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For me it would matter if you're in ministry (in my Church) or not. If you are up on the stage every Sunday ministering then I would have a problem and say something to you. Or get the Pastors to deal with it... But if you are just a regular Jo then I leave it up to you and Jesus.
OK See i have a problem with this. Those who are ministering on stage and whatnot WERE Regular Joes that God called. I think it is a mistake for people to disregard normal the so-called "pew-warmers."
We need to be holistic when it comes to dealing with issues like this in the church. EVERYONE, regardless of whether or not they minister should be called out and talked to if they are living a lifestyle outside of God's will.
This is one of the reasons there is so much sin in the church; we have "pew-warmers"going around thinking that its OK to sin cuz they are not ministering. People seem to forget that God is very personal and is no respecter of persons.
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But my intent was to see if anyone would say that they would come to me (remember i said if u know me some kinda way) and say:
Ash... now girl u know better and u know this is wrong.. but God is ......blah blah blah...
And im asking that because im really tryin to understand how we are suspose to lift each other and help each other if everytime someone falls into a trap and gets set back we are scared to help them because we wanna call it judging.
90% of my close friends are saved. If i was going through this or anything else.... i would hope they would pick me up and remind me ....girl u wrong... dont sugar coat it for fear of judging... u just tellin me ... it is what it is... and love me enough to tell me to get it together...and pray.. James 5:16
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OK See i have a problem with this. Those who are ministering on stage and whatnot WERE Regular Joes that God called. I think it is a mistake for people to disregard normal the so-called "pew-warmers."
We need to be holistic when it comes to dealing with issues like this in the church. EVERYONE, regardless of whether or not they minister should be called out and talked to if they are living a lifestyle outside of God's will.
This is one of the reasons there is so much sin in the church; we have "pew-warmers"going around thinking that its OK to sin cuz they are not ministering. People seem to forget that God is very personal and is no respecter of persons.
Ministering or not it should at least be addressed... and what the heck is a regular joe... just call them members or something... because everyone doesnt need a platform to minister... ur everyday life should be a ministry. So if im fornicating... i cant be a light in the work place or the pulpit... until i get that thing corrected
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OK See i have a problem with this. Those who are ministering on stage and whatnot WERE Regular Joes that God called. I think it is a mistake for people to disregard normal the so-called "pew-warmers."
We need to be holistic when it comes to dealing with issues like this in the church. EVERYONE, regardless of whether or not they minister should be called out and talked to if they are living a lifestyle outside of God's will.
This is one of the reasons there is so much sin in the church; we have "pew-warmers"going around thinking that its OK to sin cuz they are not ministering. People seem to forget that God is very personal and is no respecter of persons.
I believe what he meant was people who hold such positions as ministers seem to have a higher form of influence on others than the "regular" church people. But you are right, God has no respect of persons so why should we. We are all on the same level in God's sight, we are just vessels to be used for His glory.
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I would bust you in the head with the binding of a "thick" Bible and hope you learned through the power of osmosis. Then I would ask for healing for the welt it left...
NAhhhh
It depends on how much I loved you... If I really, reallllllly loved you I would consistently stay after you in "love" becuase I cared for your soul and wouldn't want you to end up in hell.
If I offended you in love, I would apologize, if not on this side then in heaven, hopefully we would both be there and my persistence helped.
If I didn't offend you or care enough about your soul to stay after you then I may have to try to send an apology note to the other side for not helping loving you enough to care about your soul's salvation....
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I would minister to you once (maybe twice if there's something I forgot to say the first time around).
As a personal rule, I don't believe in beating people over the head with the Bible. I hope that my life will say more than my words will. I try to draw with lovingkindness, not with judgment or preaching with "enticing words."
And what I like most about me (lol)... I wouldn't look at you any differently. You're just a woman who loves the Lord and hasn't put her flesh under subjection yet.
This is very refreshing to hear!! ;)
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I wouldnt say anything. You know what you are doing is wrong, and you are a grown *** woman, its not my place to tell a grown woman what to do in her sex life, esp. when she already knows its wrong.
Not everyone who is doing wrong realizes automatically the severity of their issue. Before I got married, I was whored around, and would give anything to have some tell my grown *** (as you so eloquently put it) that I should NOT be behaving this way. As a Chritian, it is our place to admonish our brothers and sisters when we see them doing something outside of the will of God. Its has nothing to do with telling them about their sex life, but everything to do with their LIFE in CHRIST. So if YOU want to turn your head and act as though you dont see your brother or sister doing wrong, then you too are operating outside of the will of God. The operative word is accountability, and once you know, then you are accountable.
Everybody on this site knows somebody who is having sex out of wedlock, and I doubt most of them are going to confront all of thier friends and aquaintances and talk to them about how they are living in sin.
Maybe if I were thier spiritual mentor, then I would, but otherwise, I'd just get a bunch of screw faces from them.
And again, yes, we all know someone who may be having sex out of wedlock, but it is still our job as the church to help to put them on the right track. WE cannot change anyone... but God has equipped each and every one of us to be a witness to our brothers and sisters who may back slide every once in a while. NON JUDGEMENTAL, but in an admonishing spirit.
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Not everyone who is doing wrong realizes automatically the severity of their issue. Before I got married, I was whored around, and would give anything to have some tell my grown *** (as you so eloquently put it) that I should NOT be behaving this way. As a Chritian, it is our place to admonish our brothers and sisters when we see them doing something outside of the will of God. Its has nothing to do with telling them about their sex life, but everything to do with their LIFE in CHRIST. So if YOU want to turn your head and act as though you dont see your brother or sister doing wrong, then you too are operating outside of the will of God. The operative word is accountability, and once you know, then you are accountable.
And again, yes, we all know someone who may be having sex out of wedlock, but it is still our job as the church to help to put them on the right track. WE cannot change anyone... but God has equipped each and every one of us to be a witness to our brothers and sisters who may back slide every once in a while. NON JUDGEMENTAL, but in an admonishing spirit.
So who do consider "brothers and Sisters"? To me It all depends what kind of relationship you have with the person. If it is somone who I'm cool with then ok. But I'm not gonna go to work or somewhere and start pointing out the immoral things people do.
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So who do consider "brothers and Sisters"? To me It all depends what kind of relationship you have with the person. If it is somone who I'm cool with then ok. But I'm not gonna go to work or somewhere and start pointing out the immoral things people do.
Is that how it goes for real?
I didnt know you had to have a formal reltionship with someone before you can share with them the word and encourage them to live according to the Word.
I dont know all 90,000 plus members on LGM, but about a year ago, I displayed some very unGodly behavior, and someone I dont know, and to this day dont know, very nicely, very Admonishingly, and Godly, came at me and let me know that I was worth more than how I was acting, and portraying myself. I didnt know this person from a can of paint. But that didnt make their responsibility to share a word from God with me any less.
I think there is a thin line between being judgemental and being admonishing. Some folks cant tell the difference.
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Is that how it goes for real?
I didnt know you had to have a formal reltionship with someone before you can share with them the word and encourage them to live according to the Word.
I dont know all 90,000 plus members on LGM, but about a year ago, I displayed some very unGodly behavior, and someone I dont know, and to this day dont know, very nicely, very Admonishingly, and Godly, came at me and let me know that I was worth more than how I was acting, and portraying myself. I didnt know this person from a can of paint. But that didnt make their responsibility to share a word from God with me any less.
I think there is a thin line between being judgemental and being admonishing. Some folks cant tell the difference.
With me, I would do it on a case by case basis. Going around preaching to everybody, just is not me.
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With me, I would do it on a case by case basis. Going around preaching to everybody, just is not me.
Its not preaching bruh. I am not ordained.
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Is that how it goes for real?
I didnt know you had to have a formal reltionship with someone before you can share with them the word and encourage them to live according to the Word.
I dont know all 90,000 plus members on LGM, but about a year ago, I displayed some very unGodly behavior, and someone I dont know, and to this day dont know, very nicely, very Admonishingly, and Godly, came at me and let me know that I was worth more than how I was acting, and portraying myself. I didnt know this person from a can of paint. But that didnt make their responsibility to share a word from God with me any less.
I think there is a thin line between being judgemental and being admonishing. Some folks cant tell the difference.
Im appreciating your point of view....
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Let's just say... that I am someone you know...
Whether it be in passing or a closer relationship....The relationship would determine how I would approach the person.
And some way shape or form you find out that I have been in a consistant sexual relationship with someone that I am not married to....
What would you do in response to what you learned?
Or would u do nothing and shrug your shoulders and keep it moving?
Seems like a dumb question but I promise I have a point
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But my intent was to see if anyone would say that they would come to me (remember i said if u know me some kinda way) and say:
Ash... now girl u know better and u know this is wrong.. but God is ......blah blah blah...
And im asking that because im really tryin to understand how we are suspose to lift each other and help each other if everytime someone falls into a trap and gets set back we are scared to help them because we wanna call it judging.
90% of my close friends are saved. If i was going through this or anything else.... i would hope they would pick me up and remind me ....girl u wrong... dont sugar coat it for fear of judging... u just tellin me ... it is what it is... and love me enough to tell me to get it together...and pray.. James 5:16
There are no one size fits all answers. I could not approach you in a way that I would not want you to approach me. If I already KNOW something is wrong, I don't need anyone to REMIND me that it's wrong.
What's the point?
Since we are all different, we will view and approach this situation differently. Is there ONE right approach?
This issue comes up in our bible study very often. Some people are "in your face", others are not.
Is one way "righter" than the other?
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I would keep it moving. If the person knows the word and is doing that then it's between them and God and its none of my business..Now, If they don't know I would put out there and once again it's on them.
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You'd pose that question AFTER reading the Out of Order post? The answer's simple. POSE IT ON LGM AND EXPECT JUDGMENT TO REIGN. Of course in most cases since it's with the opposite sex you're probably safe. Lol.
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You'd pose that question AFTER reading the Out of Order post? The answer's simple. POSE IT ON LGM AND EXPECT JUDGMENT TO REIGN. Of course in most cases since it's with the opposite sex you're probably safe. Lol.
Lol if someone did have a backbone I would strongly suggest they avoid this site....
no but seriously... some of my concerns and thoughts i will learn to keep to myself because i would much rather talk about them then type them... I have to much to say... Like in response to a few of these posts...