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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: QCdrummer on April 04, 2008, 12:21:08 PM
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I've been approached quite a few times about playing gigs for different genres of music. From blues, to funk, to r&b. I've always turned it down telling them that I'm only a gospel drummer.
But with the cost of things soaring through the roof, I agreed to play in a funk/r&b group, because I did need the extra $. So I went to a practice and I wasn't playing like ME. Licks that I've been doing in church for years were not clean, and I just could not get into the flow of the music. I really was struggling and it seemed like the drums were playing me, instead of the other way around.
I felt like my flesh was playing, but my spirit was in outer space somewhere. I may not be a Calvin Rodgers, but I do consider myslef above average, and at this practice I was very very average. This group is playing at some big time local events and it could help me alot, but I'm going to have to put this thing aside.
I don't knock drummers who explore the other genres. 85% of the drummers I look up to have played outside of gospel, but it just seems like my spirit is not letting get out there.
Anybody know what I mean, or am I by myself on this one?
***A friend told me that music is music, no matter what. But I can FEEL it when I play gospel. I'm not experiencing that with the other music.
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Interesting.
I'd have no problem playing RnB, thats what got me interested in music. But if were to go out and work in the secular world, I'd be very selective of where I'm playing. I dont need to be playing around Alchohol or Drugs or anything like that.
This issue is a personal choice. Everybody is different. You dont have to do anything that you are uncomfortable with. There has to be a christian artist or church looking to hire a drummer
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Man i understand just what you're saying! I was telling someone last night the same thing. It's just not meant 4 everybody. 4 some reason God seems 2 only allow some to go that route! I'm 1 of those who can't. I know the topic is a touchie 1, "is it right, or wrong?". I've been thinking cause everybody is doing it, it must be okay. God hasn't, and i don't think he will ever give me the okay to go outside of gospel. I kinda went thru the same thing and i felt so outta place, and i couldn't get anything to click. That was my 1st and last go at the R&B thing.LOL... It's not 4 everybody!!!
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Wait, how much time you`ve been playing gospel music and how much any other? What music do you listen to and what music do you like? You know, dress shoes can be uncomfortable after sneakers even if they fit.
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Wait, how much time you`ve been playing gospel music and how much any other? What music do you listen to and what music do you like? You know, dress shoes can be uncomfortable after sneakers even if they fit.
I've been in gospel pretty much all my life. But I have practiced on my own to different r&b songs. And maybe played around with my friends with them, but never anything serious. This was my first time SERIOUSLY trying it out. And right off the back, i could tell that it just wasn't me.
I don't think it was a comfort thing because I can groove and pocket the song all day long, but as far as REALLY feeling the music in my spirit. Thats where the difference comes in. And I play so much better when my spirit is in it.
And I have to agree with kells when he says, its just not for everybody.
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I've been in gospel pretty much all my life. But I have practiced on my own to different r&b songs. And maybe played around with my friends with them, but never anything serious. This was my first time SERIOUSLY trying it out. And right off the back, i could tell that it just wasn't me.
I don't think it was a comfort thing because I can groove and pocket the song all day long, but as far as REALLY feeling the music in my spirit. Thats where the difference comes in. And I play so much better when my spirit is in it.
And I have to agree with kells when he says, its just not for everybody.
Just because a shoe fits doesn't mean that you will feel it. Often times when a shoe is not in your favorite color you will not want it event though you like the design. What I am saying is that you have to decide to play the music and commit your best playing to that music at that time. Sounds like you went into the situation half-hearted with no preparation and no commitment to anything but the money.
When ever money overshadows the music or whatever your passion, problems in your spirit always come. That has happened to me on church gigs more than once. As well, when you are use to playing at a certain level, with a certain amount of knowledge/reference/preparedness guilt and dissatisfaction set in. God generally tells you "no" flat out. But the enemy more often makes you unsure/second guess yourself in your skills, confidence.
No every gig isn't for everybody but God gave you power to get wealth and you gift shall make room for you. Make sure your motives are pure even to the truths you know within. Fear of financial loss or taking a job because of "needing the money" is still fear and shows a lack of trust or consultation in God (I am learning from personal experience and wise counsel) because He knows what we have need of. The Word says that the birds don't worry so why should we (paraphrased)? Again check your motives and your commitment and your fears cause sometimes God needs to send a Christian into "World" and we half-go.... Remember Jonah didn't want to go to Nineva. God didn't trouble his spirit not to go Jonah made a decision not to go... which brought on the trouble.
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Just because a shoe fits doesn't mean that you will feel it. Often times when a shoe is not in your favorite color you will not want it event though you like the design. What I am saying is that you have to decide to play the music and commit your best playing to that music at that time. Sounds like you went into the situation half-hearted with no preparation and no commitment to anything but the money.
When ever money overshadows the music or whatever your passion, problems in your spirit always come. That has happened to me on church gigs more than once. As well, when you are use to playing at a certain level, with a certain amount of knowledge/reference/preparedness guilt and dissatisfaction set in. God generally tells you "no" flat out. But the enemy more often makes you unsure/second guess yourself in your skills, confidence.
No every gig isn't for everybody but God gave you power to get wealth and you gift shall make room for you. Make sure your motives are pure even to the truths you know within. Fear of financial loss or taking a job because of "needing the money" is still fear and shows a lack of trust or consultation in God (I am learning from personal experience and wise counsel) because He knows what we have need of. The Word says that the birds don't worry so why should we (paraphrased)? Again check your motives and your commitment and your fears cause sometim es God needs to send a Christian into "World" and we half-ego.... Remember Jonah didn't want to go to Nineva. God didn't trouble his spirit not to go Jonah made a decision not to go... which brought on the trouble.
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There are some great points being made! I can not speak 4 QCdrummer but i believe God gives us gifts and He intends 4 us to use them 4 Him, and His purpose only. When we step out of His will things never seem to workout. I'm trying 2 read between the lines in his opening statement and i'm hearing giving the fact he's a great drummer, that thing he feels when he sits behind the kit at church was missing on the r&b kit! (QCdrummer please correct me if i'm wrong) I've heard some1 say "u gotta have big ears" so i took that 2 mean u gotta listen to everything. When u listen 2, and practice everything it's easier to adapt in all situations. In gospel we play so many different styles so its really something u have to do if u wanna be well rounded. I guessing he would have probably felt the same thing if it was rock, jazz, punk, or neo-soul! I feel exactly the same way, everything is not 4 everybody. Great post, i'm enjoying it!
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I mean, its one thing to go out to the world for specific purpose, but if I were to go out there, I wouldn't be getting anything out of it other than a nice paycheck. There is no reason to play with this group other than the fact that it very well could be a stepping stone. And EVERY drummer longs for that stepping stone. lol. But how far will I get if my ALL is not into it.
As long as the lyrics aren't talking about "supersoakers" and all that, then I don't have a problem with it. BUT, if your spirit is not in it, you might as well not even do it. Because money is not gonna buy you happiness. Especially if you are only playing half of what you are capable of.
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I mean, its one thing to go out to the world for specific purpose, but if I were to go out there, I wouldn't be getting anything out of it other than a nice paycheck. There is no reason to play with this group other than the fact that it very well could be a stepping stone. And EVERY drummer longs for that stepping stone. lol. But how far will I get if my ALL is not into it.
As long as the lyrics aren't talking about "supersoakers" and all that, then I don't have a problem with it. BUT, if your spirit is not in it, you might as well not even do it. Because money is not gonna buy you happiness. Especially if you are only playing half of what you are capable of.
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man, this is a very important subject. In a nut shell, nothing satisfies me more than doing a "gospel" hit, ministering, and u see people who've been delivered, set free, etc. Nothing is more satisfying than that. To everything their is a season, so whatever season ur in, just chill there until God tells u to move. But nothing is more satisfying, trust me. Its because u "see" the resuts from ur gift as a whole (band/ministry). U see the people breakthrough, crying, shoutin, etc. But on another gig, u'll minister on ur craft and someone might be touched but they cant really explain what it feels like because their not use to feeling the anointing of God. So u might minister through conversation or just ur playing and u probably dont even see the results @ all. So of course, because "u can see" the results in gospel, its more satisfying. Just stay prayerful and do whatever God wants U to do. I was dealing with that recenlt and God gave me an awesome word.....i cant release it yet because its actually gonna be the nae of my first album, but it deals with whats "ours". as far as seasons, callings, purposes, alot of people are walking into the wrong seasons because their soooo anxious for mor. The bible says be anxious for nothing.....its hard for us, but maaaan, jus govern what God has blessed u with now, and in due season, "if meant" he'll allow u to venture out.....b blessed LGM, good thread, really good thread, and i wanna apologize for my behavior on the other thread, it was uncalled for and i apologize to dudeondrums, sorry bro.....s'all love, ur entitled to your opinion, blessings...
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Just because a shoe fits doesn't mean that you will feel it. Often times when a shoe is not in your favorite color you will not want it event though you like the design. What I am saying is that you have to decide to play the music and commit your best playing to that music at that time. Sounds like you went into the situation half-hearted with no preparation and no commitment to anything but the money.
When ever money overshadows the music or whatever your passion, problems in your spirit always come. That has happened to me on church gigs more than once. As well, when you are use to playing at a certain level, with a certain amount of knowledge/reference/preparedness guilt and dissatisfaction set in. God generally tells you "no" flat out. But the enemy more often makes you unsure/second guess yourself in your skills, confidence.
No every gig isn't for everybody but God gave you power to get wealth and you gift shall make room for you. Make sure your motives are pure even to the truths you know within. Fear of financial loss or taking a job because of "needing the money" is still fear and shows a lack of trust or consultation in God (I am learning from personal experience and wise counsel) because He knows what we have need of. The Word says that the birds don't worry so why should we (paraphrased)? Again check your motives and your commitment and your fears cause sometim es God needs to send a Christian into "World" and we half-go.... Remember Jonah didn't want to go to Nineva. God didn't trouble his spirit not to go Jonah made a decision not to go... which brought on the trouble.
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Just because a shoe fits doesn't mean that you will feel it. Often times when a shoe is not in your favorite color you will not want it event though you like the design. What I am saying is that you have to decide to play the music and commit your best playing to that music at that time. Sounds like you went into the situation half-hearted with no preparation and no commitment to anything but the money.
When ever money overshadows the music or whatever your passion, problems in your spirit always come. That has happened to me on church gigs more than once. As well, when you are use to playing at a certain level, with a certain amount of knowledge/reference/preparedness guilt and dissatisfaction set in. God generally tells you "no" flat out. But the enemy more often makes you unsure/second guess yourself in your skills, confidence.
No every gig isn't for everybody but God gave you power to get wealth and you gift shall make room for you. Make sure your motives are pure even to the truths you know within. Fear of financial loss or taking a job because of "needing the money" is still fear and shows a lack of trust or consultation in God (I am learning from personal experience and wise counsel) because He knows what we have need of. The Word says that the birds don't worry so why should we (paraphrased)? Again check your motives and your commitment and your fears cause sometim es God needs to send a Christian into "World" and we half-ego.... Remember Jonah didn't want to go to Nineva. God didn't trouble his spirit not to go Jonah made a decision not to go... which brought on the trouble.
VERY well said.
But how far will I get if my ALL is not into it.
Why can't you put your all into it?
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You're light is still light when it's in a dark place. Of course we can "feel" it in church.
Let the situation you're in glorify God. We should be confident about the things we decide to do! BE CONFIDENT. You can only learn from these situations.
Also, very important, YOU AGREED TO PLAY. Don't be a coward and show up with no game. Be professional and get the job done well! How are you gonna tell me you can't feel it?!?! If it's R&B then it's right up your "gospel" alley. Get it done brother! Break your own neck if you have to!
Just make sure you're walking with Him. He would never lead us to wolves, only we can leave ourselves open to that. So if your walking with Him, you're safe.
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And just to add, saying you can only play Gospel music is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What you're really saying is "I can't play anything other than Christian music." I can't tell you how frustrating it is hearing this come from people. Anyone else feel what I'm saying?
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And just to add, saying you can only play Gospel music is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What you're really saying is "I can't play anything other than Christian music." I can't tell you how frustrating it is hearing this come from people. Anyone else feel what I'm saying?
And what you said is the stupidest thing ive ever read. :-\
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And what you said is the stupidest thing ive ever read. :-\
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Some people relate to music on a spiritual level. If somthing is not right with my spirit, I'm not doing it.
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And just to add, saying you can only play Gospel music is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What you're really saying is "I can't play anything other than Christian music." I can't tell you how frustrating it is hearing this come from people. Anyone else feel what I'm saying?
Whats wrong with playing just Christian/Gospel music?? ?/? It contains various styles. And Its all up to individual and their conviction to play Secular or not...
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And just to add, saying you can only play Gospel music is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What you're really saying is "I can't play anything other than Christian music." I can't tell you how frustrating it is hearing this come from people. Anyone else feel what I'm saying?
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. I have had a problem with that mentality every since I joined LGM. We are Christians not Gospelians and you are either a Musician or you are not. Christian music is a genre label to the industry, a Message to the masses. It is not a style of music as misunderstood in the urban culture. We are talking about SENSIBILITIES (Sensibility refers to an acute perception of or responsiveness toward something, such as the emotions of another. This concept emerged in eighteenth-century Britain, and was closely associated with studies of sense perception as the means through which knowledge is gathered.) which require you to be a present, preferably knowledgable and prepared participant in the musical scenario you are in at the given time. In short either showing yourself approved, able to rightly divide the truth of the situation or a willing student supporting the leader serving the music.
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I've been approached quite a few times about playing gigs for different genres of music. From blues, to funk, to r&b. I've always turned it down telling them that I'm only a gospel drummer.
But with the cost of things soaring through the roof, I agreed to play in a funk/r&b group, because I did need the extra $. So I went to a practice and I wasn't playing like ME. Licks that I've been doing in church for years were not clean, and I just could not get into the flow of the music. I really was struggling and it seemed like the drums were playing me, instead of the other way around.
I felt like my flesh was playing, but my spirit was in outer space somewhere. I may not be a Calvin Rodgers, but I do consider myself above average, and at this practice I was very very average. This group is playing at some big time local events and it could help me a lot, but I'm going to have to put this thing aside.
I don't knock drummers who explore the other genres. 85% of the drummers I look up to have played outside of gospel, but it just seems like my spirit is not letting get out there.
Anybody know what I mean, or am I by myself on this one?
***A friend told me that music is music, no matter what. But I can FEEL it when I play gospel. I'm not experiencing that with the other music.
Well my take might not be as nice, sorry Im not trying to be offensive. But you cant blame bad playing on the Spirit. An R&B gig is not a gospel gig and shouldn't be played as one! If you are a professional you should be able to adapt to the situation that you are in and play it comfortably! Sometimes it is all about the money! You needed the money so go make it doing what you do best!!! I once played a gig where I hated the artist and wanted to quit but it was the holidays and I needed the money. I just stayed professional and did my thing. Did I feel it, no, was I at my best, heck no I hated the guy, but I was professional and did my thing.
Now for the Spirit, come on! Your on a secular gig, what! Were you expecting the Holy Ghost to fall and everyone on stage was going to go into a shout!? On a secular gig you have no need to flow in the Spirit so dont expect to be led by him. He aint coming to a club or a bar to lead you whiles you're up there playing sex me up and bootys back. Youre drumming on your own and now the real you as a player comes out. I know the feeling real well, and Ive been there.... Playing for God and being led by the Spirit is 1000000000000000000 times nicer and more rewarding then playing any secular gig.
But God (Now Im not telling you to stay I dont tell Christians to go secular because I dont want their soul to be on my head!!) uses guys like me as a light to those people. Im very straight up about my Christianity and most people who know me in the secular world knows it. To the point where they will not put me in an after party type suition. The amount of people that I influence (and I dont even have to say a word) just floors me...Example, they tend to watch their language around me, or not smoke weed around me and even come take to me about Church.
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Well my take might not be as nice, sorry Im not trying to be offensive. But you cant blame bad playing on the Spirit. An R&B gig is not a gospel gig and shouldn't be played as one! If you are a professional you should be able to adapt to the situation that you are in and play it comfortably! Sometimes it is all about the money! You needed the money so go make it doing what you do best!!! I once played a gig where I hated the artist and wanted to quit but it was the holidays and I needed the money. I just stayed professional and did my thing. Did I feel it, no, was I at my best, heck no I hated the guy, but I was professional and did my thing.
Now for the Spirit, come on! Your on a secular gig, what! Were you expecting the Holy Ghost to fall and everyone on stage was going to go into a shout!? On a secular gig you have no need to flow in the Spirit so dont expect to be led by him. He aint coming to a club or a bar to lead you whiles you're up there playing sex me up and bootys back. Youre drumming on your own and now the real you as a player comes out. I know the feeling real well, and Ive been there.... Playing for God and being led by the Spirit is 1000000000000000000 times nicer and more rewarding then playing any secular gig.
But God (Now Im not telling you to stay I dont tell Christians to go secular because I dont want their soul to be on my head!!) uses guys like me as a light to those people. Im very straight up about my Christianity and most people who know me in the secular world knows it. To the point where they will not put me in an after party type suition. The amount of people that I influence (and I dont even have to say a word) just floors me...Example, they tend to watch their language around me, or not smoke weed around me and even come take to me about Church.
Now that's the business! Good word!!!
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Now that's the business! Good word!!!
Thanks man, you know thats where I live.
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And just to add, saying you can only play Gospel music is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What you're really saying is "I can't play anything other than Christian music." I can't tell you how frustrating it is hearing this come from people. Anyone else feel what I'm saying?
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. I have had a problem with that mentality every since I joined LGM. We are Christians not Gospelians and you are either a Musician or you are not. Christian music is a genre label to the industry, a Message to the masses. It is not a style of music as misunderstood in the urban culture. We are talking about SENSIBILITIES (Sensibility refers to an acute perception of or responsiveness toward something, such as the emotions of another. This concept emerged in eighteenth-century Britain, and was closely associated with studies of sense perception as the means through which knowledge is gathered.) which require you to be a present, preferably knowledgable and prepared participant in the musical scenario you are in at the given time. In short either showing yourself approved, able to rightly divide the truth of the situation or a willing student supporting the leader serving the music.
I wasn't able to articulate what I meant by my post, but Sabe expressed it well. I'm frustrated when I hear stuff like "I can't play anything but Christian music." Or "I can't go there because I'm a Christian." Or "I can't do that because I'm Christian."
What we have is a bunch of arrogant and ignorant people who think "behavior modification" is Christianity. While "I can't do that because I'm a Christian" may be true, it's the mentality behind it that is WRONG.
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Since we're being frank about things lets GET REAL for a minute.....................
WE ALL HAVE WEAKNESSES RIGHT?
Taking my christian self into a club at midnight with a band trying to make money.....With "Tasha" to left with a dress so short, you cant look right up and see everything, "Miesha" on my right with spandex on so tight, you can see the shape of everything. "Tatanalicious" straight ahead, with gouchos on, that are so tight you can see "you know what". AND then the band gets free drinks???
Male Musicians LOVE WOMEN. (granted not all of them do, but thats a whole nother topic). I would not be man if I didn't take a good glance if they are walking by me! And after seeing this all night long, I am going to want to call somebody up and "handle business". For those of you that have ever been to a club, the things happening in there are FAR from Godly. And if you've been delivered from something, its just not good to put yourself in situations where you're mind gets to thinking about the past and what it would be like to go back. When Lot's family was fleeing Sodom, God told them NOT TO LOOK BACK. And what happened when Lot's wife turned around, looking at what was to be thier past? She turned to stone.
While I'm playing my beats, "Tasha" is grinding on "Mike"........................HOW IS SOMEBODY BEING DELIVERED?? They're just using my beat, to continue thier grinding.
Now we've all been delivered from different things, and possibly this is not one of them for you. So do what you gotta do!!! Play in bars, play in clubs, play whereever you want!
But FOR ME PERSONALLY, I just believe that God has put that spiritual leash on me not letting do this because he knows me better than I know myself. We are ALL DIFFERENT, and to knock somebody for not being like somebody else "IS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD".
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Since we're being frank about things lets GET REAL for a minute.....................
WE ALL HAVE WEAKNESSES RIGHT?
Taking my christian self into a club at midnight with a band trying to make money.....With "Tasha" to left with a dress so short, you cant look right up and see everything, "Miesha" on my right with spandex on so tight, you can see the shape of everything. "Tatanalicious" straight ahead, with gouchos on, that are so tight you can see "you know what". AND then the band gets free drinks???
Male Musicians LOVE WOMEN. (granted not all of them do, but thats a whole nother topic). I would not be man if I didn't take a good glance if they are walking by me! And after seeing this all night long, I am going to want to call somebody up and "handle business". For those of you that have ever been to a club, the things happening in there are FAR from Godly. And if you've been delivered from something, its just not good to put yourself in situations where you're mind gets to thinking about the past and what it would be like to go back. When Lot's family was fleeing Sodom, God told them NOT TO LOOK BACK. And what happened when Lot's wife turned around, looking at what was to be thier past? She turned to stone.
While I'm playing my beats, "Tasha" is grinding on "Mike"........................HOW IS SOMEBODY BEING DELIVERED?? They're just using my beat, to continue thier grinding.
Now we've all been delivered from different things, and possibly this is not one of them for you. So do what you gotta do!!! Play in bars, play in clubs, play whereever you want!
But FOR ME PERSONALLY, I just believe that God has put that spiritual leash on me not letting do this because he knows me better than I know myself. We are ALL DIFFERENT, and to knock somebody for not being like somebody else "IS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD".
I believe you answered your own question bro. Go with what YOUR HEART is telling you ;).
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Beat, I reallized that as I was typing. I was preaching to my own self! Lol.
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"Tatanalicious" straight ahead, with gouchos on ..."
Are those still in style for the ladies?
...(I) thought that I'd add a little humor to the thread. ;D
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Since we're being frank about things lets GET REAL for a minute.....................
WE ALL HAVE WEAKNESSES RIGHT?
Taking my christian self into a club at midnight with a band trying to make money.....With "Tasha" to left with a dress so short, you cant look right up and see everything, "Miesha" on my right with spandex on so tight, you can see the shape of everything. "Tatanalicious" straight ahead, with gouchos on, that are so tight you can see "you know what". AND then the band gets free drinks???
Male Musicians LOVE WOMEN. (granted not all of them do, but thats a whole nother topic). I would not be man if I didn't take a good glance if they are walking by me! And after seeing this all night long, I am going to want to call somebody up and "handle business". For those of you that have ever been to a club, the things happening in there are FAR from Godly. And if you've been delivered from something, its just not good to put yourself in situations where you're mind gets to thinking about the past and what it would be like to go back. When Lot's family was fleeing Sodom, God told them NOT TO LOOK BACK. And what happened when Lot's wife turned around, looking at what was to be thier past? She turned to stone.
While I'm playing my beats, "Tasha" is grinding on "Mike"........................HOW IS SOMEBODY BEING DELIVERED?? They're just using my beat, to continue thier grinding.
Now we've all been delivered from different things, and possibly this is not one of them for you. So do what you gotta do!!! Play in bars, play in clubs, play whereever you want!
But FOR ME PERSONALLY, I just believe that God has put that spiritual leash on me not letting do this because he knows me better than I know myself. We are ALL DIFFERENT, and to knock somebody for not being like somebody else "IS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD".
I think that when you originally posted the topic, it came across as "your inability" prohibiting you to play on that scene, and that's why the responses have been the way they've been. It's not your "musical inability", but rather, a "personal spiritual boundary". We all have things that we can't associate ourselves with because of where we've been in life. No one can fault you for knowing your boundaries. Nothing is more important in life than your obedience to God. That's the issue. You have to be careful how you word your posts doc. All we can do is read what we see and respond to what we read. It all love chief.
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Since we're being frank about things lets GET REAL for a minute.....................
WE ALL HAVE WEAKNESSES RIGHT?
Taking my christian self into a club at midnight with a band trying to make money.....With "Tasha" to left with a dress so short, you cant look right up and see everything, "Miesha" on my right with spandex on so tight, you can see the shape of everything. "Tatanalicious" straight ahead, with gouchos on, that are so tight you can see "you know what". AND then the band gets free drinks???
Male Musicians LOVE WOMEN. (granted not all of them do, but thats a whole nother topic). I would not be man if I didn't take a good glance if they are walking by me! And after seeing this all night long, I am going to want to call somebody up and "handle business". For those of you that have ever been to a club, the things happening in there are FAR from Godly. And if you've been delivered from something, its just not good to put yourself in situations where you're mind gets to thinking about the past and what it would be like to go back. When Lot's family was fleeing Sodom, God told them NOT TO LOOK BACK. And what happened when Lot's wife turned around, looking at what was to be thier past? She turned to stone.
While I'm playing my beats, "Tasha" is grinding on "Mike"........................HOW IS SOMEBODY BEING DELIVERED?? They're just using my beat, to continue thier grinding.
Now we've all been delivered from different things, and possibly this is not one of them for you. So do what you gotta do!!! Play in bars, play in clubs, play whereever you want!
But FOR ME PERSONALLY, I just believe that God has put that spiritual leash on me not letting do this because he knows me better than I know myself. We are ALL DIFFERENT, and to knock somebody for not being like somebody else "IS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD".
Now thats way different then what you said in your first post!!! I agree with you. Thats why I said in my last post that I DO NOT tell Christians to go play secular!!!! For that very reason... It is hard when the keyboardist from another group is hot (and a woman LOL) watching you all night and leaves no space between you her ***** and herself, or women in the audience start hittin on you and you have to keep reminding yourself "Im married, Im married and Im a Christian!"
I try my hardest not to even get near for any of that, usually I play and leave but theres the odd time that you cant. And I have the added bonus of not knowing where my wedding ring went to. But man it get easier with time, you see one pow booty on an artist youve seen them all... Even backing Christian artist you catch a glimps of some sweet booty (women)!!! And trus me, theres lots of Christian (woman) artists with some sweet booty!!!!
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Even backing Christian artist you catch a glimps of some sweet booty (women)!!! And trus me, theres lots of Christian (woman) artists with some sweet booty!!!!
ROTFL!!!
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This is sort of confusing......Some ppl say God sent them into the secular field to do some work for him but do you really have to play with the artist to witness to them? Or are you doing that on your own terms? Is that the only way? Im seriously asking cuz i wanna know but let me stop before somebody say "dont judge(stop snitchin)" ::)
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I feel everything u said QCdrummer. Stay true to yourself and don't worry about what others think.
I don't play drums like I used to back in the day, but on the keys I have gotten some offers to produce some R&B stuff. I tried it and I didn't have any creative inspiration whatsoever. I knew right then where I was supposed to use my gifts, in CHURCH.
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Man, I know I aint (spiritually) strong enough to play at a club (for a lot of the reasons that QC mentioned) so i wouldn't put myself into that situation.
I like J Kay's sig:
W.Y.D.D.I.W: "Whatever you do, do it well (or not at all)."
So if I aint feeling it (and I have a choice) I'm not gonna do it.
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That same temtation is in church on sunday morning, Mcdonalds on monday, home on tuesday, Joeys football practice wednesday, etc...
What I am hearing is a bunch of wimpy (yea, wimpy) christians who act like they need to lock themselves indoors to hide from some legs and booty. Man up men of God. Think about it, the strongest temptation is when YOU'RE ALONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS where none of us can judge you. A place you can hide what you feel inside. You need to change your paridigms (ways of thinking). You need to really meet the man Jesus. He alone can change a man from the INSIDE OUT. Out of love for Him, you would be tempted, but choose not to sin. There is NO PLACE WHERE TEMPTATION IS GREATER.
I am by no means sticking up for secular gigging. I just want to challenge those who choose to stay ignorant. This is why unbelieving men look at us like wimps. Jesus was no wimp. He literally kicked ***!
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Man, I know I aint (spiritually) strong enough to play at a club (for a lot of the reasons that QC mentioned) so i wouldn't put myself into that situation.
I like J Kay's sig:
W.Y.D.D.I.W: "Whatever you do, do it well (or not at all)."
So if I aint feeling it (and I have a choice) I'm not gonna do it.
You must have a hard time alone with the computer if this phases you. Lets just be real.
I'm not saying it is wise to put yourself in a crazy situation, like a bachelor party at a strip club, because I know somebody is gonna go there. All I'm saying is if a man really knew Jesus as savior, friend, sovereign king, and not rule book, you wouldn't have to second guess and ask mostly complete strangers on LGM their opinions. If you really knew Him, He would be leading and guiding you.
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That same temtation is in church on sunday morning, Mcdonalds on monday, home on tuesday, Joeys football practice wednesday, etc...
What I am hearing is a bunch of wimpy (yea, wimpy) christians who act like they need to lock themselves indoors to hide from some legs and booty. Man up men of God. Think about it, the strongest temptation is when YOU'RE ALONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS where none of us can judge you. A place you can hide what you feel inside. You need to change your paridigms (ways of thinking). You need to really meet the man Jesus. He alone can change a man from the INSIDE OUT. Out of love for Him, you would be tempted, but choose not to sin. There is NO PLACE WHERE TEMPTATION IS GREATER.
I am by no means sticking up for secular gigging. I just want to challenge those who choose to stay ignorant. This is why unbelieving men look at us like wimps. Jesus was no wimp. He literally kicked ***!
Lol, this man gon' preach up a message then at the end........i hate it when ppl do that.
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lol I'm right here dude. Don't act like I went somewhere homie hahaha ;D
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Oh you're reffering to my language? Sorry dude, He really kicked butt. I mean it, we never hear about how Jesus was a man's man. He really was. To often we forget how FUNNY HE WAS. He showed up a few times after the ressurection and spooked people, then wanted to grub out, and then straight disappears. That's funny.
Sorry for the rant.
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Oh you're reffering to my language? Sorry dude, He really kicked butt. I mean it, we never hear about how Jesus was a man's man. He really was. To often we forget how FUNNY HE WAS. He showed up a few times after the ressurection and spooked people, then wanted to grub out, and then straight disappears. That's funny.
Sorry for the rant.
Lol
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Oh you're reffering to my language? Sorry dude, He really kicked butt. I mean it, we never hear about how Jesus was a man's man. He really was. To often we forget how FUNNY HE WAS. He showed up a few times after the ressurection and spooked people, then wanted to grub out, and then straight disappears. That's funny.
Sorry for the rant.
HAHA :D :D :D Classic Audio!
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Like Beat said earlier, I had the answer to my issue all along, I just never really dug deep into it. Had I done that, this wouldn't even be a topic
Out of love for Him, you would be tempted, but choose not to sin. There is NO PLACE WHERE TEMPTATION IS GREATER.
This is a very very untrue statement. Just because you are saved does not mean you are not human anymore. I know for a fact I'm not the only one who has made mistakes while being saved, and I love God with all my heart. If you've been saved for YEARS and haven't sinned during your walk with Christ, then congratulations to you. I commend you on that. But for the rest of us people who "don't love God because we chose to sin", I suggest that if you feel LED to stay away from Sincity,, then don't let others sway you there. Just stay away! It doesn't make you a wimp, it makes you smart!
Didn't the Bible say something to the fact that if your right hand leads you to sin, then cut you right hand off? Did not Lot's wife die because she turned around to see what was going on in Sodom? Why was she looking back to Sodom? What was in Sodom that she wanted there? If you are directed to go toward your future and stay away from your past, then just do it.
Don't go helping out the devil by going where he wants you to go. Make him work hard to take you out! He's studying you everyday to see what he can do to get you away from your destiny. Don't make it easy on him by thinking you are Jesus. Jesus did as he was directed and the devil had to go find him, Jesus didn't help satan out in any way. Everybody won't struggle with the same thing, so if you can go anywhere and be in any situation, by all means do so!!!!! But for the rest of us, if God brings you out of Sodom, then go foward and don't look back. I'm not going to die worrying about whats going on in Sodom.
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You must have a hard time alone with the computer if this phases you. Lets just be real.
I'm not saying it is wise to put yourself in a crazy situation, like a bachelor party at a strip club, because I know somebody is gonna go there. All I'm saying is if a man really knew Jesus as savior, friend, sovereign king, and not rule book, you wouldn't have to second guess and ask mostly complete strangers on LGM their opinions. If you really knew Him, He would be leading and guiding you.
Aye man, people are built different. I been to clubs/jams/parties and I know and have participated in what goes on there. Why would I wanna go back, its like a dog returning to its vomit. Its true that all these temptations are out there and i get my fair share (being that I'm still in highschool). I already got enough, why do I wanna give myself more? ?/? :-\...Does'nt make sense to me. Why walk on the edge of a freeway when the sidewalk is there?? And you looking people walking the sidewalk and busy callin them whimps. Before you know it, a Semi come lick you down! (not directed at you, its just an analogy). But if you can handle it, go ahead I aint knockin anybody who plays at the clubs. God gives some people more strength in certain areas than others.
Peace 8) 8)
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Like Beat said earlier, I had the answer to my issue all along, I just never really dug deep into it. Had I done that, this wouldn't even be a topic
This is a very very untrue statement. Just because you are saved does not mean you are not human anymore. I know for a fact I'm not the only one who has made mistakes while being saved, and I love God with all my heart. If you've been saved for YEARS and haven't sinned during your walk with Christ, then congratulations to you. I commend you on that. But for the rest of us people who "don't love God because we chose to sin", I suggest that if you feel LED to stay away from Sincity,, then don't let others sway you there. Just stay away! It doesn't make you a wimp, it makes you smart!
Didn't the Bible say something to the fact that if your right hand leads you to sin, then cut you right hand off? Did not Lot's wife die because she turned around to see what was going on in Sodom? Why was she looking back to Sodom? What was in Sodom that she wanted there? If you are directed to go toward your future and stay away from your past, then just do it.
Don't go helping out the devil by going where he wants you to go. Make him work hard to take you out! He's studying you everyday to see what he can do to get you away from your destiny. Don't make it easy on him by thinking you are Jesus. Jesus did as he was directed and the devil had to go find him, Jesus didn't help satan out in any way. Everybody won't struggle with the same thing, so if you can go anywhere and be in any situation, by all means do so!!!!! But for the rest of us, if God brings you out of Sodom, then go foward and don't look back. I'm not going to die worrying about whats going on in Sodom.
Thank you!!
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That same temptation is in church on Sunday morning, Mcdonalds on Monday, home on Tuesday, Joeys football practice Wednesday, etc...
What I am hearing is a bunch of wimpy (yea, wimpy) Christians who act like they need to lock themselves indoors to hide from some legs and booty. Man up men of God. Think about it, the strongest temptation is when YOU'RE ALONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS where none of us can judge you. A place you can hide what you feel inside. You need to change your paradigms (ways of thinking). You need to really meet the man Jesus. He alone can change a man from the INSIDE OUT. Out of love for Him, you would be tempted, but choose not to sin. There is NO PLACE WHERE TEMPTATION IS GREATER.
I am by no means sticking up for secular gigging. I just want to challenge those who choose to stay ignorant. This is why unbelieving men look at us like wimps. Jesus was no wimp. He literally kicked ***!
Yep! Booty's booty Christian or non! Same temptations and Christians go on with the same stuff as the secular, the only difference is that we lie to ourselves and try to hide it until someone get pregnant or is found dead from an over dose! You have to grow as soldiers and get strong....You will fail at times we all do!!!! BUT that's why Jesus DIED!!!! I 100% agree BUT you are a man, human and you will always be!!! I love big butts and I can not lie, but Im not an animal that I cant control myself and stay focused as a Christian, even if the other head wants to take a look at the candy.
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Yep! Booty's booty Christian or non! Same temptations and Christians go on with the same stuff as the secular, the only difference is that we lie to ourselves and try to hide it until someone get pregnant or is found dead from an over dose! You have to grow as soldiers and get strong....You will fail at times we all do!!!! BUT that's why Jesus DIED!!!! I 100% agree BUT you are a man, human and you will always be!!! I love big butts and I can not lie, but Im not an animal that I cant control myself and stay focused as a Christian, even if the other head wants to take a look at the candy.
ROTFL!! :D Man, I feel what your saying.
Ill keep it real, when it comes to girls, im weak in that area. Yall please keep a brutha in prayer.
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This is sort of confusing......Some ppl say God sent them into the secular field to do some work for him but do you really have to play with the artist to witness to them? Or are you doing that on your own terms? Is that the only way? Im seriously asking cuz i wanna know but let me stop before somebody say "dont judge(stop snitchin)" ::)
Yes. You can understand how it is to be in it, unless you're in it. Witnessing to them is mostly done by your actions, words, choices.....Really on some secular gigs (just like any work place) if you get too godly and preachy/holier than thou you will be asked to leave (fired). Just like on any secular job or work place you have to use tact when trying to preach Christ... God is and gods are unprofessional at the work place... We preach to them by how we live our lives, yes you can mention Church in a conversation and watch how its caught be the listener, "What!? You go to Church!? My answer; Yes I do, Im a drummer and bassist there. (Secular artist usually answer)Wow you are!? I use to go but someone did something or they stop believing, my parents use to go, Ive been thinking about going again. And that's when I give them the chance to come with me and my family to Church.
From that point the seeds been planted and it will spread among the other singers and musicians...The most important thing that Ive found is that just loving them and not judging their past or who they are now like other Christians have will make them open up and have a trust in you more then they do with any of the other musicians and singers. That's why its so important not to stumble in front of them or your whole testimony is shot and you turn into just another one of those hypocrites!!!!
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QC, I truly believe that your heart is in the right place lil bro. I'll share this with you real quick...
I play in restaurants, clubs, festivals (big and small), wedding, parties, and of course chruch, and you will never get that same feeling playing in the club as you do playing for God in chruch or wherever. The last club gig I had was cool up to a certain point. I HATED playing some of that music, it got sooo boring and wack. But, like BBD stated, you just got to be a professional, pay your dues if you and suck it up want to work as a pro level musician. But for you, I wouldn't even go there with the secular genre at this point in your walk with Christ. I believe God has put something in you and you are very aware of it and it's power. Listen to your heart and forget what all the mess. Only what we do for God will last. :)
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ROTFL!! :D Man, I feel what your saying.
Ill keep it real, when it comes to girls, im weak in that area. Yall please keep a brutha in prayer.
Haha, you are a MAN lil bro :D.!!! I'll be praying for ya ;) ;D
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If you look at alot of your favorite drummers is from church and played R&B,jazz,hiphop,etc such as Aaron Spears,Teddy Campbell,Spanky,Calvin Rodgers,Rex Hardy,Kahari Parker,Nassan Stuward, and a lot more its all how you carry your self as a christian musician some times you just have to choose the gigs you take but like it was said no matter what you choose temptation is at church to there the worse one,s stay bless
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QC, I truly believe that your heart is in the right place lil bro. I'll share this with you real quick...
Listen to your heart and forget what all the mess. Only what we do for God will last. :)
Thanks man. The thing is I respect everybody's decision to do as they feel led. I'm a big believer in doing as you are led, no matter what it is! Because I know that we are all headed in different directions in life. When Lots family was fleeing Sodom, just maybe there was another family who was fleeing too and they got to look back as much as they wanted to. But for some reason, God gave specific directions to this one particular family because He knew where He wanted to take them, and they might not have been able to handle it had they been looking back wondering what is going on in Sodom.
I mean the Bible does say that if your hand leads you to sin then to cut it off! Plain in simple. It however DOES NOT say "If your hand leads you sin, don't be a wimp, and the Lord will give you the strength to just say no!" He saying in that passage that there will be some people who will need to go to drastic measures to stay away from sin. If there weren't going to be people like this, then He wouldn't have said it! Everybody is different, so if you don't need to cut off your hand, then that is great! But what is the problem with people who do? Is this not what the Bible says? That is the guide to every situation we will face in life. We have to stop turning our OPINIONS into our guides.
There is temptation all over the place! Yes even in church! The devil is doing his job! He's putting in overtime with me, and I don't mind that one bit. I'm going to make his job twice as hard. But as long as I'm not helping him out in any way then I'll be just fine.
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Following Temptation is a choice we make in our free will. When our faith or flesh, our discipline is weak God is strong (the Bible does tell us this).
Unless we are full-time Ministers we all have secular gigs/jobs and throughout these there is temptation even from things that we have been delivered from. We are our own (individual) lusts so we cannot lump every man/male into chasing women, for some its money, others its power, some spotlight etc. Whatever it is we have to make a choice.
We cannot condemn nor discount the efforts nor testimonies of musicians such as Zorro, Sheila E., Vinnie, Luis Conte, Alex Acuna, Chris Coleman and countless others whom hold down secular music gigs and maintain their witness and ministry. We overcome by the blood of the lamb and the strength/power of our testimonies. Let your testimony be that you keep your commitments, you work as to the Lord, that you are diligent in your business that you may stand before great men, that you are fruitful and that you glorify the Father by walking in the image and authority of His Son.
Often here in the drum room we glorify weaknesses in ourselves, our studies, preparations, skill sets rather proving NOW the principles of God that ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens us. We don't embrace mind renewal and mentorship nor discipline to music and ministry through music. We can post sheds but not clinics or worship leader training conferences. This is the point that I myself and I believe audiocr8tive and others were making based on the initial post.
I think that a lot of people gained from this topic. Now let's meditate on it.
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Following Temptation is a choice we make in our free will. When our faith or flesh, our discipline is weak God is strong (the Bible does tell us this).
Yes it does say this. But it does not say, for you to go out and put yourself in these situations. This is the point I'm trying to make. For every Chris Coleman and Aaron Spears, there's a thousand others who tried to make it, but fell apart because they were not strong enough to handle the things that came with the territory. That includes the money, the women, ey ithe drinking, the cursing, the secular lifestyle in general. Sure Teddy Campbell did not fall into this, and niether did Gerald, or Aaron. You can tell those guys have real genuine spirits. But that is only a small example. There are thousands of others who did not reach there full potential because of wanting to be like those guys, and they just weren't strong like them, because they are not them. Those are the people I am trying to reach. Because they know they hear that voice in the back of there head, but because they are chasing after that dream, they forget to look at the bigger picture.
Sadly enough................This is tough for me to say.......but for most of us, our destiny has nothing to do with drums! It took me a long time to realize this, because I can not imagine life without a pair of sticks in my hand. For most of us, God has planted such a greatness in us, that it goes beyond sitting behind a drumset for the rest of our lives. We have to start utilizing all the gifts he gave us. And not just one.
And you are truely right. People have learned from this topic. Because just from posting, that got me to think about alot of things that I otherwise wouldn't have thought about before. This website is fantastic in every aspect of the imagination. I'm glad to hear the different viewpoints of other musicians around the country. I don't think anything anybody has to say on here his stupid. Because if I didn't want to hear anybody else's opinion I wouldn't get on the internet and click on the topics and read what they have to say.
LGM is great! much love!
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I'm frustrated when I hear stuff like "I can't play anything but Christian music." Or "I can't go there because I'm a Christian." Or "I can't do that because I'm Christian."
We all can do whatever we want.....it's our choice not to do certian things.....if you're led by the spirit..you can't go wrong...and you won't be going or doing anything that does not please God...
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We all can do whatever we want.....it's our choice not to do certian things.....if you're led by the spirit..you can't go wrong...and you won't be going or doing anything that does not please God...
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Couldn't have said it any better.
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We all can do whatever we want.....it's our choice not to do certian things.....if you're led by the spirit..you can't go wrong...and you won't be going or doing anything that does not please God...
I agree. But you quoted me out of context. The frustration comes from a way of thinking that is off. What you said is very good, very true, and clear, the problem is people who are supposedly being led are saying things that sound off to me, and Sabe elaborated very well. In the end, I do hope we all learn from this thread, and I praise God that we all love Him, and are learning and that is what is most important.
Yes it does say this. But it does not say, for you to go out and put yourself in these situations. This is the point I'm trying to make. For every Chris Coleman and Aaron Spears, there's a thousand others who tried to make it, but fell apart because they were not strong enough to handle the things that came with the territory. That includes the money, the women, ey ithe drinking, the cursing, the secular lifestyle in general. Sure Teddy Campbell did not fall into this, and niether did Gerald, or Aaron. You can tell those guys have real genuine spirits. But that is only a small example. There are thousands of others who did not reach there full potential because of wanting to be like those guys, and they just weren't strong like them, because they are not them. Those are the people I am trying to reach. Because they know they hear that voice in the back of there head, but because they are chasing after that dream, they forget to look at the bigger picture.
Sadly enough................This is tough for me to say.......but for most of us, our destiny has nothing to do with drums! It took me a long time to realize this, because I can not imagine life without a pair of sticks in my hand. For most of us, God has planted such a greatness in us, that it goes beyond sitting behind a drumset for the rest of our lives. We have to start utilizing all the gifts he gave us. And not just one.
And you are truely right. People have learned from this topic. Because just from posting, that got me to think about alot of things that I otherwise wouldn't have thought about before. This website is fantastic in every aspect of the imagination. I'm glad to hear the different viewpoints of other musicians around the country. I don't think anything anybody has to say on here his stupid. Because if I didn't want to hear anybody else's opinion I wouldn't get on the internet and click on the topics and read what they have to say.
LGM is great! much love!
First I want to say I understand what you're saying. You have a good heart. I wasn't fully understanding what you meant in the first paragraph. Elaboration maybe?
ROTFL!! :D Man, I feel what your saying.
Ill keep it real, when it comes to girls, im weak in that area. Yall please keep a brutha in prayer.
Dude, we all are. But let me give you a different viewpoint you may not have seen before that may help you in this area.
When you truly fall in love with a person, I believe that person should be the only one you lay your eyes on. Not because being in love came with that rule, but purely out of true love, when the temptation comes, you look away. You look away because you know, and we all know, it's always %100 lust. You look away because you found the women of your dreams, and because you know she wouldn't want that going on in your head. It should be the same way when you fall in love with Jesus.
If the reason behind turning your head is because you know the rule, your wrong. You just changed a behavior. I would even say that a person must not know Him that well (we're all learning). When you turn your head after being tempted because you've actually seen who Jesus is, what He did, why He did it, and how much He loves you, THAT is when your mind has been renewed. When you make the decision not to look purely because you LOVE HIM, that's when you know that you know you have a real breathing, moving, relationship with Jesus.
I didn't intend for this, but what I just said has been the main point I've been trying to get across, although it's a point the topic has drifted me off into. Have our minds really been renewed?
Aye man, people are built different. I been to clubs/jams/parties and I know and have participated in what goes on there. Why would I wanna go back, its like a dog returning to its vomit. Its true that all these temptations are out there and i get my fair share (being that I'm still in highschool). I already got enough, why do I wanna give myself more? ?/? :-\...Does'nt make sense to me. Why walk on the edge of a freeway when the sidewalk is there?? And you looking people walking the sidewalk and busy callin them whimps. Before you know it, a Semi come lick you down! (not directed at you, its just an analogy). But if you can handle it, go ahead I aint knockin anybody who plays at the clubs. God gives some people more strength in certain areas than others.
Peace 8) 8)
God is no respecter of persons. Why would he give you more strength not to look at women than me? That would be playing favorites. I get to struggle with lust my whole life while you sit there with "more strength" ? Now that doesn't make sense.
The last club I played at was B.B Kings in Hollywood. Our entire set was full of encouraging words, our last song was "Awesome God" by Kirk Franklin. We took the gig not only to speak light into the dark places, but to raise awareness for our non-profit group that pulls kids of the streets and teaches them music. What frustrated me was the people who questioned "why did you have to play there? Don't you know there is alcohol being served there? Isn't that a club?"
I know this isn't relevant to the topic starters situation, and I'm sorry for the novel, but while this is right...
We all can do whatever we want.....it's our choice not to do certian things.....if you're led by the spirit..you can't go wrong...and you won't be going or doing anything that does not please God...
...everything comes down to our heart posture, our personal "why", which only WE are accountable for and is the reason I'm challenging all of us to renew our minds. Wheww... *brushes sweat off forehead and takes a nap* ;D
Sabe could of said this in 3 sentences, I don't have the vocab like he does, sorry for the novel guys. ;)
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Dude, we all are. But let me give you a different viewpoint you may not have seen before that may help you in this area.
When you truly fall in love with a person, I believe that person should be the only one you lay your eyes on. Not because being in love came with that rule, but purely out of true love, when the temptation comes, you look away. You look away because you know, and we all know, it's always %100 lust. You look away because you found the women of your dreams, and because you know she wouldn't want that going on in your head. It should be the same way when you fall in love with Jesus.
If the reason behind turning your head is because you know the rule, your wrong. You just changed a behavior. I would even say that a person must not know Him that well (we're all learning). When you turn your head after being tempted because you've actually seen who Jesus is, what He did, why He did it, and how much He loves you, THAT is when your mind has been renewed. When you make the decision not to look purely because you LOVE HIM, that's when you know that you know you have a real breathing, moving, relationship with Jesus.
I didn't intend for this, but what I just said has been the main point I've been trying to get across, although it's a point the topic has drifted me off into. Have our minds really been renewed?
Thats why I said pray for me. ;)
God is no respecter of persons. Why would he give you more strength not to look at women than me? That would be playing favorites. I get to struggle with lust my whole life while you sit there with "more strength" ? Now that doesn't make sense.
So basically what your sayin in this post is that God made everybody the same???? Look man, God equips every individual differently. Some of the trials a Christian may face in China are alot different than I would face here in Canada so He equips us accordingly. Not every minister is emotionally and mentally equipped to do evangelical/missionary work in the jungles of Africa, thats why He makes us DIFFERENT.
Maybe based on my circumstances I might need "more strength" because it requires more strength.
Anyway I aint got nothin "good" to in club (Im not even good enough to play drums at that level yet) so in not gonna go. If you got work to do and your positively influencing people then go ahead. I wasn't knockin anybody for that.
Peace 8)
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You ain't feelin' me man! It's all good. In the words of Tupac, "I ain't got nothin but love for ya" haha ;D
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You ain't feelin' me man! It's all good. In the words of Tupac, "I ain't got nothin but love for ya" haha ;D
LOL Yah man, I think we should agree to disagree or else we could go on for a good 3 more pages. Do your thing Bro, cuz in the end, its God who see's our hearts. 8)
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lol, I promise I won't keep dragging this topic on, but since we are not arguing and everybody's cool. I think it is good we see each other's viewpoints.
I do see what AUDIO is saying....... and basically we all do have the same amount of strength. While that is true, we all have VERY DIFFERENT PASTS. This is where the differentiallity comes in. Some of us were so far into the world that it is harder to get away from it that somebody who's never really been out there.
For instance, if I go to England, stay for a week then leave. I won't miss England at all. I won't even think about it. But if someone who has lived in England for 20 years had to leave, they would be a little more devastated. Every picture they saw of that town would remind them of the past, and what it would be like if they were go back. Thats why it would be best not to even look at a picture of the Big ben clock. On top of this, I won't even go into generational curses. That is something very very real. You see what I'm saying?
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I agree. But you quoted me out of context. The frustration comes from a way of thinking that is off. What you said is very good, very true, and clear, the problem is people who are supposedly being led are saying things that sound off to me, and Sabe elaborated very well. In the end, I do hope we all learn from this thread, and I praise God that we all love Him, and are learning and that is what is most important.
I do know what you mean.....you mean when people limit thmeselves to only playing a certain type of music.....right?...if that's right.....I also hate when I hear people say that...because by saying that they limit themselves in general musically.....what I posted was more of a general thing..........when you played at the B.B. kings thing it was different because you were playing for a christian artist and spreading God's message...it's different when you play for an artist that does not glirify God and sings or raps about all this nonsense in their songs......I totally know what you mean though dude....
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Haha, you are a MAN lil bro :D.!!! I'll be praying for ya ;) ;D
LOL thanks Big Bro :). I needed that, especially for yesturday.
...Yesturday got on the Bus and after I was seated I was getting something from my bag and after I looked up all I see is booty :o!! And the bus was crowded so she was kinda standing between my legs. I was like "Lord whyyyyyyyyyy!?!? :'(". Everywhere I turn I could still see it out the corner of my eye. Man, talk about a fight, there was World War III going on in my head! But I came out pretty intact....I think :-\ ;D
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LOL thanks Big Bro :). I needed that, especially for yesturday.
...Yesturday got on the Bus and after I was seated I was getting something from my bag and after I looked up all I see is booty :o!! And the bus was crowded so she was kinda standing between my legs. I was like "Lord whyyyyyyyyyy!?!? :'(". Everywhere I turn I could still see it out the corner of my eye. Man, talk about a fight, there was World War III going on in my head! But I came out pretty intact....I think :-\ ;D
PWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dang yo........atleast she didnt fart in ur face bruh....... :'(
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PWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dang yo........atleast she didnt fart in ur face bruh....... :'(
LOL If that happened then WWIII woulda came out my head and into my steel-toe work boots!
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LOL If that happened then WWIII woulda came out my head and into my steel-toe work boots!
Lol. On the real man, females these days........got issues...... :-\
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Ay, everyone is entitled to have gas and release the flatulence.
In the words of Shrek, "Better out than in, eh?"
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Ay, everyone is entitled to have gas and release the flatulence.
In the words of Shrek, "Better out than in, eh?"
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Now thats funny! ROFL! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ay, everyone is entitled to have gas and release the flatulence.
In the words of Shrek, "Better out than in, eh?"
Yeah but if you boom out some "words" that sound like its speakin in tongues and smell like brim stone and tar and monkey breath........................sum'n wrong......
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Lol. On the real man, females these days........got issues...... :-\
Fo' real
Yeah but if you boom out some "words" that sound like its speakin in tongues and smell like brim stone and tar and monkey breath........................sum'n wrong......
LOL!