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Main => Gospel Music Lounge => Topic started by: kodacolor on May 24, 2008, 09:54:26 PM
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I was on iTunes and I saw this review for Shei Atkin's CD "Life In Stereo".
"I am worried because i found this album mixed in with some of crossmoment's songs from artist like R-Swift (who does great music by the way), but when i see Paul Wall and other secular artist on a "christian" album that threw a definite red flag for me... you cannot be a christian artist and include secular artist that use raw and unclean language and material in videos and songs.. God ahs not part in that!!! There is a line in Trip Lee's song Cash or Christ (from his if they only knew album) that saids "Allow me to encourage you, if you agree thw word is true, you can only serve one maters some of us are servin two..can't serve God and cash, cant love the world and Christ, put money out your mind, focus on eternal life!" BEST LINE an all too true!!"
This person gave the CD 1 out of 5 stars because they saw "Feat. Paul Wall and Chamillionaire" on track 3.
What do you think? Do you feel that gospel and secular artist should be featured on the same song? Does it depend on which secular artist is singing with a gospel artist? Do you think that secular artist do it for they money, becasue they have a relationship with Christ even thought their main form of income is through secular music, because the gospel artist is a friend of theirs and they wanted to help out, or some other reason?
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It's a matter of opinion. Not ALL secular artists are profane or even overly risque. Some have good lyrics that uplift even though it isn't label as gospel. Why do they pick certain folks? It could go back to personal friendships? Is R-Swift from Houston? If so, then there's your connection. Some artists can be swayed by doing certain projects. This could maybe change P.W. and Chamillionaire. It may, it may not. R-Swift is he only one that can answer why he chose them. If you disagree, then show it by not buying the project. That speaks volumes.
I own a CD by Missy Elliott where she had a song called "Higher Ground" with Karen Clark-Sheard, Kim Burell, and Mary Mary. It was a great song, but it was a hidden track after the remix to a song called "One Minute Man" which is a very racy song if you've never heard it. Now it's placement was a very bad choice, but you never know, somebody might have heard that song that nay have never heard it any other way. And somebody somewhjere was truly moved and/or even changed by it.
These collaborations will go on until the end of time, so we should be used to it by now.
As for my feelings, I think it can be done with a positive result when it's done wisely.
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so my question is when do we draw the line and be ye transformed...
when do we separate ourselves from the world?
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This post kind of reminds me of a G. Craig Lewis video I was watching one day. He was saying some of the same stuff you are saying divinemusician. And let me just say I don't agree with EVERYTHING G.Craig Lewis says, but on this subject he kinda held a strong argument. At frist I didn't see anything wrong with secular artists working with gospel artists. But now I see it from a different perspective. But l'ma leave this one alone! ;)
But before I do I'ma just say this..... I'm reminded of Michelle Williams from Destiney's Child, Patti Labelle, Fantasia, etc. They ALL have sang both gospel as well as R&B, at the same time, if I'm not mistaken :-\. I use to get upset about it, because you're either gone do gospel or R&B?! I'm not oppose to R&B, but when you start dippin' and dabbin' in both, AND singing songs about sex and stuff, it makes me wonder. Like Fantasia for instance, she can tear up a gospel song, but when I see her on these music vids half dressed... its just sad, can't serve 2 masters. However, I try not to talk about these ppl... only God knows their hearts.
I do understand your point though divinemusician. ;)
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and that is my point. WE always say God knows their heart and we can't judge because we don't know their life etc. But what if the only God a person sees is you. For e.g. Fantasia people loved her on American Idol because we thought we had one on our side. Now you have young girls who admire her and want to be like her etc. They see her doing this and that, then trying to sing for God. Don't get me wrong she is stronger when she sings for God then she will ever be singing that mess she does (not a big fan of hers when it comes to R&B). What do we say to those girls who thinks it is ok to do that junk she does and still have a "relationship" with God.
All i am saying is this we say God knows their hearts but didn't God say you can't serve two masters in other words if you love the things of this world you pretty much hate the things of God and if you love the things of God you hate the things of the world because they can't work hand in hand that is why he said be ye separated. And your outward actions are your inward feelings. I said this in another post if we read Psalms 1 and truly understand its meaning we would undertsand that sometimes we stand in the way of sinners because they see the "church folk" serving two masters so if they see us doing the things of the world then tell me what is the differance because we throw "holy (i meant for it not to be caps)" up in the front. When will we truly stand on Gods word no matter what and be that difference whether it makes us popular or not. I heard one girl say Jesus said the world would hate him and if we are to be like Christ shouldn't the world hate us if they hated the one that died for us? something to think about, when you are friends with the world, i personally think it is time to check your walk with Christ.
I personally believe if a gospel artist did a song with a worldly artist something should change about the worldly artist after all Jesus never had an incounter with somebody who didn't get changed after their encounter with him (Christ)
just my little 2 cents
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Oh and no, I don't agree with secular artists singing with gospel artists, then again I guess it all depends on both the artists and God Himself, true we are suppose to be separated and what not. Jesus hung around the sinners, but then again are we suppose to be in ministry with the sinner?! This is suppose to be a ministry, how you're gonna minister to someone in one place singing gospel, then at the next gig you're talkin' about you need a "Hood Boy", and half dressed at that!
I think I just confused myself lol. I shoulda stopped while I was ahead!
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and that is my point. WE always say God knows their heart and we can't judge because we don't know their life etc. But what if the only God a person sees is you. For e.g. Fantasia people loved her on American Idol because we thought we had one on our side. Now you have young girls who admire her and want to be like her etc. They see her doing this and that, then trying to sing for God. Don't get me wrong she is stronger when she sings for God then she will ever be singing that mess she does (not a big fan of hers when it comes to R&B). What do we say to those girls who thinks it is ok to do that junk she does and still have a "relationship" with God.
All i am saying is this we say God knows their hearts but didn't God say you can't serve two masters in other words if you love the things of this world you pretty much hate the things of God and if you love the things of God you hate the things of the world because they can't work hand in hand that is why he said be ye separated. And your outward actions are your inward feelings. I said this in another post if we read Psalms 1 and truly understand its meaning we would undertsand that sometimes we stand in the way of sinners because they see the "church folk" serving two masters so if they see us doing the things of the world then tell me what is the differance because we throw "holy (i meant for it not to be caps)" up in the front. When will we truly stand on Gods word no matter what and be that difference whether it makes us popular or not. I heard one girl say Jesus said the world would hate him and if we are to be like Christ shouldn't the world hate us if they hated the one that died for us? something to think about, when you are friends with the world, i personally think it is time to check your walk with Christ.
I personally believe if a gospel artist did a song with a worldly artist something should change about the worldly artist after all Jesus never had an incounter with somebody who didn't get changed after their encounter with him (Christ)
just my little 2 cents
True! I wanted to say some of that... but my fingers and my brain wouldn't catch up together, not a fast typer! LOL
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One thing I've noticed (in my area at least) is that some people will welcome some secular artist with open arms and sheild others out. When the Beyonce', Angie Stone, and the dude from the O'Jays who's name escapes me came out with "He Still Loves Me" the people were all over it. When Whitney Houston did "The Preacher's Wife" soundtrack people (myself included...lol) were all over that. When Bono, Mary J, and R-Kelly was in Kirk Franklin's "Lean on Me" everybody was all over that. When Patti Labelle 'went gospel', even amidst rumors of a "Labelle" reunion CD, people were all over that. People were down with Bebe Winans when he did r&b and when he did gospel. A lot of the time the excuse made by the listeners is "well, they started in the church..." BUT when Michelle Williams made the decision to be a gospel artist people a problem with it. When Coko made the the decision to be gospel artist people had a problem with it. They started in the church too, so if "they started in the church" is your reasoning what's the problem with Coko and Michelle? How do you not have a problem with those who go back to singing secular, but have a problem with thow who have made the decision to be gospel artist?
I don't pay attention to secular rap news (but my lil sis listens to it) but I haven't heard much from or about Pall Wall. Same for Chamillionare. They could have given their lives to God and given up secular music...maybe, maybe not.
What if that secular artist (whether he/she be the label name artist [like EWF, Elliot Yamin, etc] or someone who plays or produces for a secular artst) has a relationship with Christ but is in secular music because it pays more? Should they not be featured on a gospel artist's CD?
Brittsings87, I'll have to watch that video later. It's on youtube, right? Under "G. Craig"?
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One thing I've noticed (in my area at least) is that some people will welcome some secular artist with open arms and sheild others out. When the Beyonce', Angie Stone, and the dude from the O'Jays who's name escapes me came out with "He Still Loves Me" the people were all over it. When Whitney Houston did "The Preacher's Wife" soundtrack people (myself included...lol) were all over that. When Bono, Mary J, and R-Kelly was in Kirk Franklin's "Lean on Me" everybody was all over that. When Patti Labelle 'went gospel', even amidst rumors of a "Labelle" reunion CD, people were all over that. People were down with Bebe Winans when he did r&b and when he did gospel. A lot of the time the excuse made by the listeners is "well, they started in the church..." BUT when Michelle Williams made the decision to be a gospel artist people a problem with it. When Coko made the the decision to be gospel artist people had a problem with it. They started in the church too, so if "they started in the church" is your reasoning what's the problem with Coko and Michelle? How do you not have a problem with those who go back to singing secular, but have a problem with thow who have made the decision to be gospel artist?
I don't pay attention to secular rap news (but my lil sis listens to it) but I haven't heard much from or about Pall Wall. Same for Chamillionare. They could have given their lives to God and given up secular music...maybe, maybe not.
What if that secular artist (whether he/she be the label name artist [like EWF, Elliot Yamin, etc] or someone who plays or produces for a secular artst) has a relationship with Christ but is in secular music because it pays more? Should they not be featured on a gospel artist's CD?
Brittsings87, I'll have to watch that video later. It's on youtube, right? Under "G. Craig"?
Yeah... either there. Or I may have read it on his website, don't remember which one.
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So none of yall work at jobs that have nothing to do with God? Doing music is thier job, no different than whatever you guys do for a living that is secular. Not to say that us Christians should be doing raunchy things to make money, but i dont see why its so different when it comes to music.
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True! I wanted to say some of that... but my fingers and my brain wouldn't catch up together, not a fast typer! LOL
haha i understand
and yea G.C. Lewis is on youtube... I have the DVD's it is something serious... had me a little scared too (when they was talkin about them dang on demons)
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So none of yall work at jobs that have nothing to do with God? Doing music is thier job, no different than whatever you guys do for a living that is secular. Not to say that us Christians should be doing raunchy things to make money, but i dont see why its so different when it comes to music.
Here's what Da' T.R.U.T.H said at the end of his song, "Price Tag"
"...you can't work everywhere you wanna work. I know IBM is a secular job and working at Payless is a secular job, but I'm talking about taking jobs that go against God's kingdom."
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Here's what Da' T.R.U.T.H said at the end of his song, "Price Tag"
"...you can't work everywhere you wanna work. I know IBM is a secular job and working at Payless is a secular job, but I'm talking about taking jobs that go against God's kingdom."
BINGO!!! I wouln't dare take job that goes against the Kingdom of God!!! In all you do God should be glorified! I understand yes we all work and need money for this and that but when your job can be the differance somebody sees in coming to Christ and not... come on (no brainer)
we have excuses for everything, lol. but on that day there will be no excuse why we did what we did or didn't do what we was supposed to do!
they can take that same music and turn it around for God and God will bless... why do we think we HAAAAAVVVVEEE to do things against God's will to make money?
Did not the Bible say I never seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging bread. And yes it did also say that God will cause the ungodly to bless you but guess what God didn't say you would have to transform into being ungodly to receive it the key to receiving that is LIVING GODLY AND DOING THE THINGS OF GOD
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but I'm talking about taking jobs that go against God's kingdom."
And I wasnt. Not All secular music is against gods word. but let a gospel artist sing or play it it, and yall gonna be the first to criticize them.
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And I wasnt. Not All secular music is against gods word. but let a gospel artist sing or play it it, and yall gonna be the first to criticize them.
it may not be aginst it but it don't be for it either. The Bible said chose this day who you will serve. For if you love/do etc the things of the world (things that do not glorify God, edify His people, or build of the Kingdom of God, glorify God, praise God, worship God etc) then you hate the things of God, vis vera.
just my 2 cents again
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And I wasnt. Not All secular music is against gods word. but let a gospel artist sing or play it it, and yall gonna be the first to criticize them.
...this thread is about secular doing gospel, not gospel doing secular. What are you getting at?
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it may not be aginst it but it don't be for it either. The Bible said chose this day who you will serve. For if you love/do etc the things of the world (things that do not glorify God, edify His people, or build of the Kingdom of God, glorify God, praise God, worship god etc) then you hate the things of God, vis vera.
just my 2 cents again
I'll say it again, Thats thier job! Say somone is a cashier. That doesnt glorify God. They are serving people who arent christians, they are not building up the kingdom of God being a cashier. How is that any worse than someone who does clean secular music in addition to gospel?
Good night Sistah
...this thread is about secular doing gospel, not gospel doing secular. What are you getting at?
Whats the difference? They are both doing both.
I think we need to stop putting so much confidence and faith into what celebrity gospel artist do with thier lives. Especialy when it has nothing to do with us. When they do something even remotly wrong, we get disapointed. They are human just like us. We need to Stop looking at the artist and look at Jesus, cuz he will never fail us
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I'll say it again, Thats thier job! Say somone is a cashier. That doesnt glorify God. They are serving people who arent christians, they are not building up the kingdom of God being a cashier. How is that any worse than someone who does clean secular music in addition to gospel?
Good night Sistah
Whats the difference? They are both doing both.
I think we need to stop putting so much confidence and faith into what celebrity gospel artist do with thier lives. Especialy when it has nothing to do with us. When they do something even remotly wrong, we get disapointed. They are human just like us. We need to Stop looking at the artist and look at Jesus, cuz he will never fail us
u said that like you sick of me talkin lol. I get what you sayin however taking cash is not depositing anything in your spirit however music does? that is just my two cents
however i will agree with this statement
When they do something even remotly wrong, we get disapointed. They are human just like us. We need to Stop looking at the artist and look at Jesus, cuz he will never fail us
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u said that like you sick of me talkin lol.
Nah, its 2am I gotta get some sleep. I aint tryin to get fired for fallin asleep on the organ. I always enjoy debating with yall
I get what you sayin however taking cash is not depositing anything in your spirit however music does? that is just my two cents
I kinda agree with this. Yeah music affects our spirit, but nobody makes you listen to anything tht you dont wanna listen to. If I dont like it, I dont listen to it, therefore it wont be deposited into my spirit.
That is just my $200
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Is R-Swift from Houston? If so, then there's your connection.
Yeah, I believe it's an Acres Homes connection "wut u kno bout dat fo-fo", I think that's what they say out there, I dunno, my kinfolks are out there, but I'm in third ward...
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Nah, its 2am I gotta get some sleep. I aint tryin to get fired for fallin asleep on the organ. I always enjoy debating with yall
I kinda agree with this. Yeah music affects our spirit, but nobody makes you listen to anything tht you dont wanna listen to. If I dont like it, I dont listen to it, therefore it wont be deposited into my spirit.
That is just my $200
i understand that... please dont fall alseep at the organ cause if you do that would be funny. can you imagin your head just going going going touchdown your head hits the organ and makes a loud noise... darn did i just fall asleep...lol
but that is the thing yes we have a choice i totally agree with you, however for the sake of the creator... the debate is whether they are right in making it and they are supposely Christians. that is like me saying i am going to sell drugs but go to church and be Holy. It ain't my fault people by the drugs that enter their body and destroy the very creation of God... wouldn't i go to jail for being the supplier? as well as the buyer getting in trouble for buying. All i am saying is this, we have to watch ourselves at Christains that we don't be a known hinderance to nobody or deposit anything that is not of God into somebody. Whether we are the supplier or the buyer... both parties are wrong for it takes two to tango... lol
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I'll say it again, Thats thier job! Say somone is a cashier. That doesnt glorify God. They are serving people who arent christians, they are not building up the kingdom of God being a cashier. How is that any worse than someone who does clean secular music in addition to gospel?
Good night Sistah
Mmmm....I may have missed your point, I'm not sure, and this really has nothing to do with the topic, but..... I have to disagree with this. What if it's a job that God did give you? Whether it be a cashier, telemarketer, lawyer, etc. Of course you may not always serve or deal with folk that aren't saved. (Like gospel artists). But I do believe that God blesses us with certaint jobs, that are in His will of course. And I believe God is being glorified, if you're showing up to work on time, not calling in ALL the time, not taking longer breaks that what you're suppose to, basically just obeying all the company policies. And you just might get blessed for a promotion.
You said that a cashier doesn't build up the kingdom of God?! Well.... I see any job that God has blessed you with as an opportunity to minister to someone, or just show some Godly love, even with co-workers. Another way it can build up the kingdom of God is by paying tithes from the job that God has blessed you with.
But for the topic at hand...... I'll have to continue reading the thread! lol
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Mmmm....I may have missed your point, I'm not sure, and this really has nothing to do with the topic, but..... I have to disagree with this. What if it's a job that God did give you? Whether it be a cashier, telemarketer, lawyer, etc. Of course you may not always serve or deal with folk that aren't saved. (Like gospel artists). But I do believe that God blesses us with certaint jobs, that are in His will of course. And I believe God is being glorified, if you're showing up to work on time, not calling in ALL the time, not taking longer breaks that what you're suppose to, basically just obeying all the company policies. And you just might get blessed for a promotion.
You said that a cashier doesn't build up the kingdom of God?! Well.... I see any job that God has blessed you with as an opportunity to minister to someone, or just show some Godly love, even with co-workers. Another way it can build up the kingdom of God is by paying tithes from the job that God has blessed you with.
But for the topic at hand...... I'll have to continue reading the thread! lol
But why is it different when the job is entails music? Lets take that same store that the cashier is working at to build up the kingdom. Say they have a commercal that needs music. If a gospel artist or a Christian sings a jingle for that store would he be wrong for that? Would he be building up the kingdom like the cashier is? or is it different
I just really wanna know why everything changes when music is involved. Can someone please answer that? Then I will shut up.
To Each His Own. Each person should make it their business to mind their own business.
I think that quote sums up my point: Why are church folk so concerned with what Gospel artist do, and what others prefer?
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I'll say it again, Thats thier job! Say somone is a cashier. That doesnt glorify God. They are serving people who arent christians, they are not building up the kingdom of God being a cashier. How is that any worse than someone who does clean secular music in addition to gospel?
As a cashier you may or may not be serving those who aren't Christians. Being a cashier doesn't go against the Kingdom. In fact by being the person God called you to be you can actually twist it and use your job to help build up the Kingdom! There are some cashiers and customers who have convos and you can put God in the convo and help build the Kingdom that way. You can witness to people on your job and build the Kingdom that way. I'm a verifier for a telemarketing company and I heard recordings where the telemarketer would witness to the customer. They don't have an all out church service (so to speak) but the telemarketer is planting the seed. (sometimes it's the customer who does the witnessing!) Personally, I have nothing against clean gospel music. A person who does clean secular and gospel music is a crossover artist. I doubt very many people have a problem with them. But when you go from "Pra-ise the LLLLooorrrddd. He has done great things for me." to "Shake ya [insert deragatory words for female body parts here]" then that can be a problem.
Oddly enough my opinion on the matter is this; I don't mind secular artist being featured on gospel songs cause I don't know their relationship with God. However there are individual cases that urk my nerves. Like "You Saved Me" by R. Kelly was ok until I saw the video. The video made it seem like he was making a mockery of people testifying about God's goodness. When it comes to soundtracks, what you sing is going to correspond with the character you play so it's no big deal there. (at least to me it's not a big deal). Honestly, I'd be kinda wary if I saw T-Pain featured on one of J Moss's albums or on one of Mr. Talkbox's albums. It'd think he was doing it cause he makes a load of money collaborating with other artist.
Whats the difference? They are both doing both.
I think we need to stop putting so much confidence and faith into what celebrity gospel artist do with thier lives. Especialy when it has nothing to do with us. When they do something even remotly wrong, we get disapointed. They are human just like us. We need to Stop looking at the artist and look at Jesus, cuz he will never fail us
The difference depends on your perspective. If you're looking at a secular artist going gospel as a Christian you may see the secular artist going gospel as that person found the Lord and he or she is getting their life together and changing genres to show that they're serious about this thing. If you're looking at it as a non-Christian you may see it as, "oh they're going to go sing all that 'Jesus' crap. Smh. I'm not listening to them anymore." When a Christian sees a gospel artist go to secular it may be seen as someone who has fallen out of fellowship with God, and instead of dealing with it privately they go public. Or maybe that person is going over to secular because it makes more money. In any case their some of their Christian listeners would be disappointed that they'd rather sing about sex outside of marriage, violence, etc than about God. Non-Christian listeners will welcome them with open arms. Yeah, celebs period shouldn't have to be the model you base your life around. IMO, seeing someone in a backslidden condition is disheartening (even if that person is me). The most I'm going to do is offer advice if it's not out of line and if I've been there and pray for the person. However there are people who get so bent out of shape about it, it's like "chill, it's not that serious!"
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But why is it different when the job is entails music? Lets take that same store that the cashier is working at to build up the kingdom. Say they have a commercal that needs music. If a gospel artist or a Christian sings a jingle for that store would he be wrong for that? Would he be building up the kingdom like the cashier is? or is it different
I just really wanna know why everything changes when music is involved. Can someone please answer that? Then I will shut up.
To Each His Own. Each person should make it their business to mind their own business.
I think that quote sums up my point: Why are church folk so concerned with what Gospel artist do, and what others prefer?
Green: A jingle is really nothing (unless the jingle is promoting ungodliness). You can still witness and carry yourself in a manner pleasing to God to or around the people you come in contact with from the time you get the gig to the time you record the jingle.
Blue: Because music ministers to a person's spirit. It helps feed your natures. Gospel music helps feed your Godly nature while secular music (in most cases) feeds your sinful nature. For me the jury's still out about 'neutral' music.
Purple: Lol. I just wanted to know ppl's opinion on the matter. If a gospel artist goes secular or visa versa it's not exactly prying into their private life. What they do behind closed doors is between them and God. What they do in public is still between them and God, but since I know something about it I'm going to voice my opinion.
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WORD says "bad company corrupts good morals",I have no problem with gospel musicians who associate with wordly people.If LORD allows them to hang-who am I to judge,perhaps that friendship is going to be that "heathens" exposure to CHRIST "with skin on HIm".I have many friends ,patients,associations with wordly people.BUT!!! I am CAREFUL that my influence is TOWARDS them;trying to preach /show CHRIST;as PAUL said "being ALL things to ALL men-so that SOME may be saved."I do NOT want these "friends " to impart some of their stuff into my life.For example,I do some music with some JEWISH guys,have played some secular gigs with them,weddings,bar-mitzvahs,New Years,going away parties etc.At one house party.one of these cats was standing there saying "JESUS CHRIST" this,that other-probably 15 times;rapid fire in less time than it takes to write this.Each time I said "LORD and SAVIOR",at the end he finally shut up,I noticed all 4 of them standing looking down at the ground more or less unable to speak.I believe they were shown an instant of eternity,few minutes later they were back to regular things.Same thing with other relationships,JESUS didn't cloister HIMSELF away in a closet,HE met(and still does )people where they are at.We need to be careful as musicians about bringing secular collaborations into LORD's house ;especially if we lend them ANY "approval".For example-bono;he is very cleary NOT a christian yet his music has found its way INTO church.Have heard stories of churches alllowing heathens place of honor,leadership etc.because they can play.This should NOT be!!!!! As PAUL says "don't you have homes to eat,drink in?.Why come to LORD's house drunken,etc." These mixtures dilute the gospel,why mix clean/unclean.Here's a site that gives quotes from many artists about their spiritual affiliations wwwgoodfightorg.com We cannot escape the world,until HE comes we need to preach JESUS ! be blessed
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soory about that link,didn't work.type in Goodfight ministries,Joe Schimmel-Simi California
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BINGO!!! I wouln't dare take job that goes against the Kingdom of God!!! In all you do God should be glorified! I understand yes we all work and need money for this and that but when your job can be the differance somebody sees in coming to Christ and not... come on (no brainer)
we have excuses for everything, lol. but on that day there will be no excuse why we did what we did or didn't do what we was supposed to do!
they can take that same music and turn it around for God and God will bless... why do we think we HAAAAAVVVVEEE to do things against God's will to make money?
Did not the Bible say I never seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging bread. And yes it did also say that God will cause the ungodly to bless you but guess what God didn't say you would have to transform into being ungodly to receive it the key to receiving that is LIVING GODLY AND DOING THE THINGS OF GOD
OK this lady is PREACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY YOU HAVE JUST NAILED IT!!!!
I don't even have any input in this. You have just preached the message i needed for today. God bless you.
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To Each His Own. Each person should make it their business to mind their own business.
I think that quote sums up my point: Why are church folk so concerned with what Gospel artist do, and what others prefer?
i will have to disagree on this... Aren't we our brother's keeper? If we go on ignorning wrong and just having the attitude that it is not our business then aren't we just as wrong for not saying something. Grant it you have a right to your own business that is nobody elses but when it comes to the very soul of a person, our goal is to rightly divid the Word of Truth. If somebody is a child of God and we see them fall or do ungodly things its it not my Godly duty to talk to that person and make sure everything is going ok with them. find out whats up and why they feel they need to go aginst the word of God to do what they are doing.
Every job has its own thing. Like you can't expect a cashier to be or act like a CEO of a big time company their jobs are two different jobs what one does the other don'ts do. Both should always be professional.
Can we agree that music touches the very spirit of a person? If your answer is Yes, then that is the difference when it comes to music why people make a big deal Music touches the very heart and soul/spirit of a person. Wasn't it not David who drove out demons with MUSIC!! THATS THE DIFFERENCE!
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I guess we have have to agree to disagree. I dont see how doing clean secular music is wrong. It doesnt affect everbody like it may affect you. If it affects your spirit then dont listen to it, but dont complain when they arent doing anything wrong.
I guess you guys dont watch TV, cuz commercials are full of secular music. How can you criticize someone for doing secular music when you listen to it everyday? How can you critcize secular Gospel artist when you watch secular TV shows? (if you only watch gospel shows the disregard this)
On a related note:
How do yall feel about the Bible audio book which features Denzel, Nick Cannon, and Samuel L. Jackson? Yeah, the Same dudes who Scream Mothe****** in every film, are reading the bible to us.
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I guess we have have to agree to disagree. I dont see how doing clean secular music is wrong. It doesnt affect everbody like it may affect you. If it affects your spirit then dont listen to it, but dont complain when they arent doing anything wrong.
I guess you guys dont watch TV, cuz commercials are full of secular music. How can you criticize someone for doing secular music when you listen to it everyday? How can you critcize secular Gospel artist when you watch secular TV shows? (if you only watch gospel shows the disregard this)
On a related note:
How do yall feel about the Bible audio book which features Denzel, Nick Cannon, and Samuel L. Jackson? Yeah, the Same dudes who Scream Mothe****** in every film, are reading the bible to us.
I personally don't need anybody to read the Bible, lol. And you have to understand that was done for MONEY!! Not for the glory of God.
And you are right we are going to have to agree to disagree. I will say this the more you grow in Christ the more things that you use to do, you don't do anymore. To be honest the Bible says to arm yourself with the things of God. Get lost in doing Gods will, if we all really got lost in doing the Will of God, church work, ministry work, helping others, walking in your calling and giving it more than 50% of your time, etc., we really would not have time to dwell in or take part in anything that is not of God. What i mean is have you ever put on a program or was getting ready for a program or ministry event and as soon as you got off work you had to go to the church, or go this place or that to get ready or make arrangements for the church program/event and about time you got home you only had time enought to eat, then go to bed because you was tired or the for married folks eat, make sure wife/husband child/children was taken care of. You didn't have time to dwell in the ungodly world becaue you was too busy doing the things of God.
All I am saying is the closer you get to Christ the more your mind is consumed with bettering the Body of Christ or getting people to draw near to Christ. Your fellowship is of good things you dweel among the Saints and you minister to the ungodly. You strive to be more and more like Christ (oh I am sorry in todays time we call that being a "holy rolly")
Yes I have friends who are not saved and yes I talk to them but they don't cross me the wrong way, I don't partake in the things that they do. They don't come to me with ignorance and they respect my walk with Christ. They don't pull me but I pull them. Thats all I am saying, I am not standing in their way by being just what they are and callin my self a Child of God. I am telling you guys. Truly study Psalms 1. That book speaks to you. How many of us call ourselves a child of God but yet still do the things of the world to the point that the world sees no difference in us than they see in themselves. Now that is what we will be held accountable for as well. Standing in the way of sinners.