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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: kodacolor on April 23, 2009, 11:01:25 PM
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I've noticed that keys players tend to get automatic respect when the walk into a room with their board. Even before they begin to play the reference is there. If they can play well, more respect. If they can sing well, more respect. If they can play and sing they're the next best thing to the Pastor! (lol)
I'm not hating, I just think it's weird. Maybe it's just me. As pianists and keyboardist have you noticed this?
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Most people are not musically inclined to when a band is playing the keys is the main thing that stands out and drums is next so that's why it seems like that
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I've noticed that keys players tend to get automatic respect when the walk into a room with their board. Even before they begin to play the reference is there. If they can play well, more respect. If they can sing well, more respect. If they can play and sing they're the next best thing to the Pastor! (lol)
I'm not hating, I just think it's weird. Maybe it's just me. As pianists and keyboardist have you noticed this?
...reverence?
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Most people are not musically inclined to when a band is playing the keys is the main thing that stands out and drums is next so that's why it seems like that
Yep this is correct. The keys player tends to dominate because he can do so much with his instrument, whereas the other instruments may be limited in what they can do.
However one thing i noticed is that if you play a lesser noticed instrument like a guitar or saxophone, you are EXPECTED to be very good. I get this all the time, especially when my choir gives me some hard guitar song and expects me to learn it.
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I've noticed that keys players tend to get automatic respect when the walk into a room with their board. Even before they begin to play the reference is there. If they can play well, more respect. If they can sing well, more respect. If they can play and sing they're the next best thing to the Pastor! (lol)
I'm not hating, I just think it's weird. Maybe it's just me. As pianists and keyboardist have you noticed this?
Actually, I usually see the opposite. if you are a cat and nobody knows you and you walk in you get NO respect......
LOL I was at concert. The Keyboards were sweet too (Triton Studio, Fantom X-7, Motif ES Rack) and this cat walked in wit a lil casio (PLEASE refrain form the "its not the player its the board" quotes lol). So some dudes were straight clownin my man.....then he gets up actin al stank goin up to the different musicians and stuff. THEN he was transposing, meaning that nobody took him serious as a keyboardist.....
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Actually, I usually see the opposite. if you are a cat and nobody knows you and you walk in you get NO respect......
LOL I was at concert. The Keyboards were sweet too (Triton Studio, Fantom X-7, Motif ES Rack) and this cat walked in wit a lil casio (PLEASE refrain form the "its not the player its the board" quotes lol). So some dudes were straight clownin my man.....then he gets up actin al stank goin up to the different musicians and stuff. THEN he was transposing, meaning that nobody took him serious as a keyboardist.....
Right! That's exactly how it is here. Most musicians in my area will barely talked to me until after they heard me play and/or we had to play together and I guess they thought I was decent.
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Right! That's exactly how it is here. Most musicians in my area will barely talked to me until after they heard me play and/or we had to play together and I guess they thought I was decent.
Musicians are a strange breed of animal. When you step on the scene as a musician, you had BETTER be good or you get very little respect.
This is why i am grateful i started my music career in a small church. I get to improve my chops and get better until it is time for me to play outside engagements.
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Actually, I usually see the opposite. if you are a cat and nobody knows you and you walk in you get NO respect......
LOL I was at concert. The Keyboards were sweet too (Triton Studio, Fantom X-7, Motif ES Rack) and this cat walked in wit a lil casio (PLEASE refrain form the "its not the player its the board" quotes lol). So some dudes were straight clownin my man.....then he gets up actin al stank goin up to the different musicians and stuff. THEN he was transposing, meaning that nobody took him serious as a keyboardist.....
hahahaha i feel you you just dont get no respect coming to a concert with a casio maybe if he had a rack but even then if he aint going to beast he is going to get laughed at why you think all the good musicians get the midnight musicals lol
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hahahaha i feel you you just dont get no respect coming to a concert with a casio maybe if he had a rack but even then if he aint going to beast he is going to get laughed at why you think all the good musicians get the midnight musicals lol
Man, this one one lady I seen came to a concert with her casio and KILLED IT! :D
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Man, this one one lady I seen came to a concert with her casio and KILLED IT! :D
hahahahahahahahahaahahaha we dont wanna hurt peoples feelings on the site that have casios
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I don't know about a respect thing, but I know if you walk into church with your board, you'd be end up playing some good music or they'll look at you like "what the..." lol. Its like there are no such thing as beginner pianists...the nicer the board, but better you play...allegedly lol.
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I don't know about a respect thing, but I know if you walk into church with your board, you'd be end up playing some good music or they'll look at you like "what the..." lol. Its like there are no such thing as beginner pianists...the nicer the board, but better you play...allegedly lol.
peole think oh he too good to play the church stuff but what I don't understand is if you are a beginner why you they buy the pro equipment like motif and triton u gotta start off small
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hahahahahahahahahaahahaha we dont wanna hurt peoples feelings on the site that have casios
nothin wrong with the new casios, I have, though I havent played it in a few months.
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peole think oh he too good to play the church stuff but what I don't understand is if you are a beginner why you they buy the pro equipment like motif and triton u gotta start off small
Why? Why spend all that money on various boards at various stages of your musical growth?
Why not buy a decent board where you may not know how to use all the bells and whistles, yet, then grow from there.
Also, don't cats bring their own boards because it's the one with which they are most comfortable? :-\
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nothin wrong with the new casios, I have, though I havent played it in a few months.
yea the 88key casios are ok the action is decent
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Also, don't cats bring their own boards because it's the one with which they are most comfortable? :-\
so they can transpose lol aight let me stop yo but 4 real that's understandable but many seasoned musicians and regular folks don't see it that way
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Why? Why spend all that money on various boards at various stages of your musical growth? Why not buy a decent board where you may not know how to use all the bells and whistles, yet, then grow from there.
I somewhat disagree. We're talking about keyboards which tend to become obsolete quicker than other instruments. When I started playing and if I was able to afford the keyboard I wanted, it wouldn't be very useful now. :D
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I somewhat disagree. We're talking about keyboards which tend to become obsolete quicker than other instruments. When I started playing and if I was able to afford the keyboard I wanted, it wouldn't be very useful now. :D
Actually, I think you're agreeing. :-\
The latest keyboards become about as obsolete as the latest cellphone six months after date of purchase; that's my point.
Why spend trying to keep up when one could just buy a fairly decent one, practice, practice, practice until they're ready for the next latest, greatest keyboard (which'll become obsolete 6 months after date of purchase ::) :D)?
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I somewhat disagree. We're talking about keyboards which tend to become obsolete quicker than other instruments. When I started playing and if I was able to afford the keyboard I wanted, it wouldn't be very useful now. :D
Well you are looking at it from an engineer's perspective. Frankly all most churches need is a good old Motif and you are good to go. A lot of church musicians that i know don't even bother knowing more about their board other than how to layer and split and maybe change some settings like reverb and such. Other than that...meh!
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Actually, I think you're agreeing. :-\
I thought the argument was to buy a pro keyboard instead of starting off small and working your way up.
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Well you are looking at it from an engineer's perspective. Frankly all most churches need is a good old Motif and you are good to go. A lot of church musicians that i know don't even bother knowing more about their board other than how to layer and split and maybe change some settings like reverb and such. Other than that...meh!
You have a point. People buy what they think is cool though instead of getting what they really need.
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Actually, I usually see the opposite. if you are a cat and nobody knows you and you walk in you get NO respect......
LOL I was at concert. The Keyboards were sweet too (Triton Studio, Fantom X-7, Motif ES Rack) and this cat walked in wit a lil casio (PLEASE refrain form the "its not the player its the board" quotes lol). So some dudes were straight clownin my man.....then he gets up actin al stank goin up to the different musicians and stuff. THEN he was transposing, meaning that nobody took him serious as a keyboardist.....
It's even funnier when they bring the radio shack!
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It's even funnier when they bring the radio shack!
yo son don't sleep on the radio shack lol that was my 1st board and I must say the sounds were better than most of these pro boards out now but when you gig on a regular u just can't play casios they are not road worthy you will break them in a week lol
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I used to play at a weekly spoken word event years ago. As a joke, I went in there one week with my Yamaha DX100 which is pretty small for those that aren't familiar with it. It's 49 mini keys. The MC was even making fun of it. I played the mess out of it though and it sounded great. (Had the breath controller also) :D
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yo son don't sleep on the radio shack lol that was my 1st board and I must say the sounds were better than most of these pro boards out now but when you gig on a regular u just can't play casios they are not road worthy you will break them in a week lol
I think the 88 key ones are pretty sturdy.
I don't mess with the smaller ones. I hate playing keyboards without weighted keys! No matter what the name brand, synth boards feel like toys.
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I used to play at a weekly spoken word event years ago. As a joke, I went in there one week with my Yamaha DX100 which is pretty small for those that aren't familiar with it. It's 49 mini keys. The MC was even making fun of it. I played the mess out of it though and it sounded great. (Had the breath controller also) :D
you can't pay attention to the keyboard rookies they don't know the dx series is a classic man I got a dx7 @ the crib it was a hand me down from my pops lol never givin that up
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I think the 88 key ones are pretty sturdy.
I don't mess with the smaller ones. I hate playing keyboards without weighted keys! No matter what the name brand, synth boards feel like toys.
Radio Shack used to sell a Moog synth in the 80s but of course it had the Radio Shack logo on it. I play so much organ that I tend to prefer non weighted keys. Also if you're doing synth leads and stuff like that, it doesn't feel right to me on weighted keys.
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Man i done had to play services on tooooooooooooo many casios....to th point i don found my one passable sound that i always use.....the privias are sweet though. My boy was using one as a controller for reason and logic during this one concert. I hopped on and it actually felt alright.
As far as buying new boards??? Its personal preference. Thats why I spent 1200 on my ES7 and aint lettin it go nowhere...my next step is MACBOOK.......IF you get a top of the line joint you have no real need to upgrade unless you lookin for sounds, not features. Like ill probably have to wait till the successor to the XS before i get another board....
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I had to play on a casio in a church once. That had to be one of the worst experiences of my playing life.
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you can't pay attention to the keyboard rookies they don't know the dx series is a classic man I got a dx7 @ the crib it was a hand me down from my pops lol never givin that up
I really wanted a DX7 but didn't have the cash at the time. I did buy a DX27 and the DX100 later on. I was saying I was going to buy the DX7 expansion card for the Motif but never did. It's cheaper than buying a used DX7 and you can mix the DX sounds with Motif patches.
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I think the 88 key ones are pretty sturdy.
I don't mess with the smaller ones. I hate playing keyboards without weighted keys! No matter what the name brand, synth boards feel like toys.
Agreed.
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Man i done had to play services on tooooooooooooo many casios....to th point i don found my one passable sound that i always use.....the privias are sweet though. My boy was using one as a controller for reason and logic during this one concert. I hopped on and it actually felt alright.
As far as buying new boards??? Its personal preference. Thats why I spent 1200 on my ES7 and aint lettin it go nowhere...my next step is MACBOOK.......IF you get a top of the line joint you have no real need to upgrade unless you lookin for sounds, not features.[/size] Like ill probably have to wait till the successor to the XS before i get another board....
This is my point, exactly.
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ok, so what is the top of the line?
I am currently practicing on a Casio CDP-100 with 88 keys, weighted hammer actions keys. I want to a new board to play at church, right now I have a Yamaha PSR620. My skills are improving so I beleive it is time for me to get a new church board.
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IF you get a top of the line joint you have no real need to upgrade unless you lookin for sounds, not features.
This is my point, exactly.
You heard it here folks. Sjon is buying everyone a top of the line keyboard!!!
You are wonderful dude! ;D
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ok, so what is the top of the line?
Motif, Fantom, Korg M3/OASYSS etc. Depends on what you need
As far as buying new boards??? Thats why I spent 1200 on my ES7 and aint lettin it go nowhere.
I wish I went ahead and got the ES6/7. I got the MO6, and when you layer 4 sound, notes start to cut out due to the lack of polyphony. Dont know If I'm keepin it or not as it needs 2 keys repaired. I'm gettin the Roland VR-760 saturday, so I'll probably just get an srx expansion for that.
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ok, so what is the top of the line?
I am currently practicing on a Casio CDP-100 with 88 keys, weighted hammer actions keys. I want to a new board to play at church, right now I have a Yamaha PSR620. My skills are improving so I beleive it is time for me to get a new church board.
the top brands are yamaha roland and korg then u can decided the speific board on your own
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Yeah I wonder Y? :D :D
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the top brands are yamaha roland and korg then u can decided the speific board on your own
Top of the line is subject to debate. Get whatever suits your needs and/or wants. Different keyboards have different sounds and features; also ease of use is a factor. Some boards are better for live situations where you need to move to different sounds quickly. It's all about what you use it for and what you can afford.
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I guess I will have to do a test to see which board I want. >:(
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Top of the line is subject to debate. Get whatever suits your needs and/or wants. Different keyboards have different sounds and features; also ease of use is a factor. Some boards are better for live situations where you need to move to different sounds quickly. It's all about what you use it for and what you can afford.
True. some things you will never use, so for some people a stage piano might be better than a workstation. Portability is a factor too.
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peole think oh he too good to play the church stuff but what I don't understand is if you are a beginner why you they buy the pro equipment like motif and triton u gotta start off small
Well, me I started with a free keyboard(my dads keyboard, which I claimed after he died..he was a piano player and I actually started playing piano after he died)...but if I could afford a Roland Fantom G8, I'd get one right now. Am I ready for it? Hmm...well, not only do I play piano, but I mess around with studio work. I have Cubase 4 and Presonus audio interface and a few other things. Even with all of these things, Fantom G8 may still be too much for me.
But me, I wish I could have the best. I think its set up where you get what you need...feel me? It's like, when the sustain pedal jack broke on my keyboard, my church was going to pay for the repairs, but I needed a keyboard NOW lol. So I got I applied and approved for $500 worth of Guitar Center credit and got me a Casio Privia(don't know model off top of my head) for $500. I still use it to this day. It's not a Triton or Motif, but its a real 88 keyboard with weighted keys. So I got what I need. I do want a Fantom G8 BADLY, but I just can't afford it. But I do feel like when I can afford it, by that time, I will probably be ready for it. So while I want the best, I think everything happens for a reason.
But as far as other keyboard players, I do agree and I think some people do buy expensive boards that they really don't need. Its like eye candy to them, but their skill level is not ready for that kind of board.
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Has anybody ever seen somebody walk up in the place with a keyboard with a whole lot of buttons, words and a little LCD screen...and they just KNOW that they got a top of the line keyboard LOL...and its just a toy?
Maybe its just me(and I dont have a $3000 board), but I just can't stand toy keyboards...keyboards with those small toy-like keys. The sounds just sound toyish even though its supposed to look so advanced, its really not. The boards that weigh just about nothing. I'm not the best, but if its not a 76 or 88 key keyboard with a more realistic feel to it, Im just not feeling it.
To be honest, if someone came up to me and said "look, I'll give you this Roland Fantom G6 for free, but you can't buy a Roland Fantom G8", ima be like "nah, i wait the amount of years to get the G8"
Even though G6 is still a top keyboard, I'd use it only for studio work, but never to just PLAY the piano.
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Has anybody ever seen somebody walk up in the place with a keyboard with a whole lot of buttons, words and a little LCD screen...and they just KNOW that they got a top of the line keyboard LOL...and its just a toy?
Maybe its just me(and I dont have a $3000 board), but I just can't stand toy keyboards...keyboards with those small toy-like keys. The sounds just sound toyish even though its supposed to look so advanced, its really not. The boards that weigh just about nothing. I'm not the best, but if its not a 76 or 88 key keyboard with a more realistic feel to it, Im just not feeling it.
To be honest, if someone came up to me and said "look, I'll give you this Roland Fantom G6 for free, but you can't buy a Roland Fantom G8", ima be like "nah, i wait the amount of years to get the G8"Even though G6 is still a top keyboard, I'd use it only for studio work, but never to just PLAY the piano.
sometimes you gotta take whats givin' to you i got a motif es6 i wanted a 7 but couldnt find one and it was out of my budget anyways but if you dont play classical or play by yourself in church 88 keys are a waste of money but you just gotta have that feel so i understand also.
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Instant reverence? You may get some instant attention or stares, but reverence? No way. You gotta prove u got some skills before u can get any kind of reverence.
And for those of you dissing the Casios, :P :P :P!
T-Block has spoken
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You gotta prove u got some skills before u can get any kind of reverence.
You also gotta prove that you have a good attitude. People aint gonna respect you if you have a nasty attitude. I know most of us know a few cats like that.
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Instant reverence? You may get some instant attention or stares, but reverence? No way. You gotta prove u got some skills before u can get any kind of reverence.
And for those of you dissing the Casios, :P :P :P!
T-Block has spoken
i must admit the casios are coming up in th world :D
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sometimes you gotta take whats givin' to you i got a motif es6 i wanted a 7 but couldnt find one and it was out of my budget anyways but if you dont play classical or play by yourself in church 88 keys are a waste of money but you just gotta have that feel so i understand also.
If there were 61 key keyboards that had the same feel as an 88 key keyboard, then I'd be all for it...but it just feels too light...too toyish.
If I were handed a top keyboard that happened to have 61 keys, I'd take it...I wouldn't play it when playing piano...it'd just be for studio work...well, or unless for better portability, but I'd prefer the 88 key keyboard in a heartbeat.
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Thats why I love yamahas......................I got a ES7 and even though they arent weighted, there keys are heavier than the normal non-weighted board......
I can respect a non weighted board though. I like to switch between it and an 88 Weighted joint. That way i wont get so used to playin eiher that i get uncomfortable on the other...
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Thats why I love yamahas......................I got a ES7 and even though they arent weighted, there keys are heavier than the normal non-weighted board......
I can respect a non weighted board though. I like to switch between it and an 88 Weighted joint. That way i wont get so used to playin eiher that i get uncomfortable on the other...
word all yamahas I played on have good action and feel
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The only 61 key boards I'd get are a REAL Rhodes, Wurlitzer, or a Nord Electro.
The Electro beats Motif, and all the other boards in the same category for sound quality and weight.
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you can't pay attention to the keyboard rookies they don't know the dx series is a classic man I got a dx7 @ the crib it was a hand me down from my pops lol never givin that up
Ahh... the classic EP sound, I call it the "winans sound"... but you heard that sound on every ballad in the 80s-early 90's...
Top of the line is subject to debate. Get whatever suits your needs and/or wants. Different keyboards have different sounds and features; also ease of use is a factor. Some boards are better for live situations where you need to move to different sounds quickly. It's all about what you use it for and what you can afford.
Naw bruh, If your keyboard has "100 Built-in Tones" and bright purple and yellow buttons, I don't care how well it suits your needs, you need to keep that thing at your church... naw, just kidding.
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You also gotta prove that you have a good attitude. People aint gonna respect you if you have a nasty attitude. I know most of us know a few cats like that.
I'm talking about the skills. Bad attitude or not, if a person can play and know what they doing, that earns at least some respect. I can respect a person's skills, but not like them. A good attitude is definitely a plus though.
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I'm talking about the skills. Bad attitude or not, if a person can play and know what they doing, that earns at least some respect. I can respect a person's skills, but not like them. A good attitude is definitely a plus though.
I agree, if someone can play, then they'll get respect. In most cases, a nasty attitude could be others just misjudging him and misunderstanding that particular person as many people do.
Respect talent and give someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a bad attitude. Everyone has a story that we may not know...but they had enough discipline to master their craft and I'd respect that any day.
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Naw bruh, If your keyboard has "100 Built-in Tones" and bright purple and yellow buttons, I don't care how well it suits your needs, you need to keep that thing at your church...
Man, i will come to your church and put it on yall wit my axe....
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yall dont want it wit me.
aint no transpose button there either.
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Man, i will come to your church and put it on yall wit my axe....
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yall dont want it wit me.
aint no transpose button there either.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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lol, You can tell which people are used to the low-budget boards cuz when they come to your church they be sayin' stuff like, "Put it on Synth 1 for me" or "do you got Drawbar Organ 3 on this keyboard?" or "Brass 3 will be fine"... I be like "wha???"
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I agree, if someone can play, then they'll get respect. In most cases, a nasty attitude could be others just misjudging him and misunderstanding that particular person as many people do.
Respect talent and give someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a bad attitude. Everyone has a story that we may not know...but they had enough discipline to master their craft and I'd respect that any day.
i think there's a difference between the reception of such people with other musicians and non-musicians. with non musicians, if he walks in with a keyboard, assumptions are that he plays keyboard and automatically that means he's in charge of the music. ive been learning keys, but primarily a bass player, and ask any of my fellow bass players and drummers how many times we've been there, with no organist/keyboardist and folks say "we're waiting on the musician to show up". or you could have an 8 year old on keys that just started learning 2 weeks ago and have other musicians that been playing for like 30 years on the pro circuit, and everybody lookin at the 8 year old to say whats what just because he's on keys. so in that case, with non-musicians, yes i think you get instant reverence.
with other musicians however, you have to prove yourself. everybody is gonna want to see what you have to offer, particularly if ur a "nobody". Your attitude is key to how you are received. If you are humble, people will see your skill openly. If you arent that skilled you'll have people willing to help you out, encourage, give you pointers, invite you to jams/shows/rehearsals to come watch and learn, etc. If you're skilled people will look to you for those things. Of course you'll have the haters in either scenario. But if you're all cocky and full of yourself, nobody really wants to deal with you anyway. A big problem with some, is that they go the humble route UNTIL they establish themselves, then they become arrogant and such because they know they're skilled.
Be careful with the expensive equipment; the more exotic ur equipment, the higher the expectation of you is. thats just the reality of things. same concept goes with any aspect of life. I started out with a $150 yamaha ES313 and then upgraded to a Yamaha MM6 which i love. This is even worse in the bass and guitar realm because theres so many more options and then u delve into the custom made items as well. I say when you go out, bring something that best reflects your skill level. If top of the line/bottom of the line is all you have, then put your humble attitude on overdrive.
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Musicians are a strange breed of animal. When you step on the scene as a musician, you had BETTER be good or you get very little respect.
This is why i am grateful i started my music career in a small church. I get to improve my chops and get better until it is time for me to play outside engagements.
Exactly what I'm doing now. And it is helping ALOT!