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Title: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Mr. Bad Boy on July 20, 2009, 11:55:04 AM
Recently President Obama spoke at the 100 year anniversity for the NAACP.  This event was extremely paramount to have the 1st U.S. President of African heritage speak at our "old ship of zion" institution.  Listening to a black radio station here in Chicago regarding the speech that he made, made me completely disgusted with some of our people.  There was so much hate for the President mainly because he hasnt "done anything for the black community", so many people called in to slam the President from topics ranging from his Supreme Court selection to his wife going on trips with him.  I was so angry to hear how we are still stuck in the Willie Lynch syndrome and how we would treat our brother in such a manner.

Why do we have to rely on a politician (that is what he is!) to rescue us from the social ill's and idiotic mindsets and behavior's that we display? He is the President of all of America, not just black people, truth be told, the majority of black wouldnt even back his run until they saw the lead he had on Clinton.  Now we are standing with our hands stuck out wanting something for free! Free yourselves, He got his, Go get yours!!! We want him to do so much for us, but we dont even have a black agenda! We want better education, but we would rather stand on the corner instead of standing in class to answer a question! We want better jobs but were too lazy to learn a trade or even cut the mo-hawk hairstyles that we have. 

I work in Corporate America, and Im responsible for hiring personnel to represent this company, but I cant do too much for my people because we are full of excuses and no results! President Obama has been in office for only 6 months, we dont know what his plan is for us or any other minority, I believe that he has something great in store for the masses of the people during his next term, he cant do it now & still run for re-election (this is still America). 

Can we please back off the brother and let him do his thing? How come were not this outraged when the Police are shooting our brothers dead in the streets on a daily basis, the open air drug markets that we see every hour, the fact that our women, children, and elderly cant walk down the street and be safe, the fact that we dont have real grocery stores with good products in our areas, the fact that all of our restaurants in the "hood" all serve fried foods-nothing baked or broiled.  But we want to place all of this burden on one person!

Sorry for such a long text, just some stuff on my mind!!! Any thoughts???
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Long Fingers on July 20, 2009, 12:07:17 PM
Well, unfortunately some African-Americans do think that way and can't see the whole picture (remember the Bill Cosby debacle?). I personally feel the president's speech was a much needed one. African-Americans have made many advancements and have accomplished much, but there's still so much we can do. As much as it saddens me that our community have many young females who think the only way to obtain a good lifestyle is to become a groupie or gold digger, or for men, to become a pro-ball player, I'm hopeful when I see and read of stories of young ladies and gentlemen involved in their education and futures.

However, there's still plenty of people within our community who's priorities are way out of whack. Instead of accepting and recognizing the faults of our people, they'd rather place blame and get mad at others for specking out about it. Instead of bettering themselves, their communities, their surroundings, they'd rather place blame, not do a thing to bring about a solution, or worse yet, turn a blind eye to it.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: B3Wannabe on July 20, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
I fixed that for you. I couldn't take it. ;D

I received one of those crazy emails from my African-American Unschooling group. This lady even called him a nig*a! It was sad. My wife was pissed as well.

Just like you said, we need to get up and start picking up our own trash. We can't expect to get anywhere, if we're not trying--as a community--to better ourselves.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Mr. Bad Boy on July 20, 2009, 12:40:54 PM
LOL!!! B3 thanks alot! I was just in a zone of rage and couldnt stop!!! But I totally agree with you and Long Fingers! When are we going to stop being on the side line & take a position on the front line!!!

I just couldnt believe that this was going on in the city to which he resides! The atmosphere here is so disrespectful towards the President but everyone turn a blind eye towards Daley and the Aldermen who are robbing the city blind!!!
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: B3Wannabe on July 20, 2009, 01:27:42 PM
Indeed.

This is the mess I was talking about:

Quote
Greetings Brothas and Sistas,
 
     This is an extremely important message. There is no way on earth African-Americans should continue to admire, appreciate or have faith in Obama for change. As intelligent people who have pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps to outgrow physical dynamics of slavery and segregation. It is time for blacks all over Africa, Haiti and America to evaluate what this ***** has done.
 
     Obama has caused great harm to blacks by following orders from those who hate blacks, including avoiding the Racism Conference, dissing Black Farmers and his latest F-up telling blacks to stop blaming slavery and colonialism for our demise. If you are mad at me for writing this message my mission is accomplished. We can not afford to let Obama continue to treat us as though he is some master appointed, under cover skull and bones slave driver, without confronting his madness. If you don’t believe me please check his decisions and policies towards blacks for his first 100-200 days. No one can  argue these points. The BS is clear in his stimulus packages. Now he wants to give Indians a stimulus package and blacks the middle finger.
 
     It is truly time for African-Americans to take the lead against racism and moving towards a black united front including a power base to pursue reparations. Obama and the current administration have proven they do not care about the on-going atrocities following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the alarming high death rates due to Aids and the growing problem of drugs in our communities. These are just a few cases that deserve immediate attention! African-Americans need to embrace a plan that will enable us to form a power base to let Obama know we do not appreciate him abusing us like past presidents, and to address crucial issues and fight for reparations!!

 
Standing for Truth and Reconciliation,
Brotha Pruitt
Reparations Leader and Chairman
Committee for African-American Reparations (CAAR) CA
Reparations Union Lobbying Association (RULA) NC
[url=http://www.divineblacktruth.org]www.divineblacktruth.org[/url] ([url]http://www.divineblacktruth.org[/url])


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Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Mr. Bad Boy on July 20, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
Now that a real shame (thank God this is a gospel music site, wont speak my real mind!).  Its stuff like that to which the mainstream media is looking for to continue their attack on this brother.  Is he perfect? No! Will we agree with every policy and area to which he wants to change? No! But can we stand and agree that this brother needs help and support instead of the constant ridicule? Yes! We didnt put this type of attack on Clarence Thomas who truly wishes he was born in another skin! One day hopefully we will wake up, if not, it will be another 44 Presidents before we see any type of real change!  Thanks for that info!
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: MissRiss on July 21, 2009, 12:52:42 PM
I really don't have a problem with other African Americans that have a dislike for Obama. I expected it. Every leader has opposition!!! After the Civil Rights Movement and when people started moving into different tax brackets, people just weren't as unified as they were before I believe. People are going to have different opinions. That's just how it's going to be.

We need to get real and face up to our problems.

We do not take responsibility for what we do. I'm all about education. Many of our kids are doing very poorly in school and no one seems to care. Many parents think it's the schools responsibility to educate their kids. I just don't buy that totally. It takes the school, parents, teachers and many others to get the job done.

Our kids know every word to a rap song but they don't know  multiplication tables. What if they had to read rap lyrics? Back in the day you had to actually know how to read when looking at rap lyrics. Now, most of the popular songs are so shallow, simple, and disgusting that it wouldn't take much effort.

Kids can play video games for hours but can't sit for 30 minutes to read a book.

I don't get it.  It's a shame.

Where is Joe Clark? We need him back in the schools.....for real!!!! Then, if we had Madea for the parents. Something might get worked out. LOL!!
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Mr. Bad Boy on July 21, 2009, 01:15:57 PM
MissRiss,

You are so right, even though it had a humorous overtone, the message is very clear and accurate! Where are those figures who kept us in line back in the day? I remember acting up on the block and my friends father would get me, tell my mother and she would get me, she tells my father and he would get me, then he tells a family member and they would get me or give me a speech about shaming the family name.

I remember those days when the teacher actually called the parents regarding your conduct or grades.  There wasnt any caller ID back then, you had to answer the phone.  Teachers were active in the community, you saw them at the grocery store, department stores, my english teacher was a member of my fathers church!!!!!

To me, parental control is completely out of control!!! In my opinion, I believe that parents should be held completely accountable for the actions of their children. Dont get me wrong, I know that kids are going to do some very crazy things that parents dont have any knowledge of, but stuff like: PTA meetings, report card pick up, parent / teacher nights, progress reports, curfew, etc... There should be a fine or a payroll deduction on a check, thats the only time that we decide to get serious is when someone plays with our money!!!!  Just my opinion!
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: B3Wannabe on July 21, 2009, 01:42:59 PM
MissRiss,

You are so right, even though it had a humorous overtone, the message is very clear and accurate! Where are those figures who kept us in line back in the day? I remember acting up on the block and my friends father would get me, tell my mother and she would get me, she tells my father and he would get me, then he tells a family member and they would get me or give me a speech about shaming the family name.

I remember those days when the teacher actually called the parents regarding your conduct or grades.  There wasnt any caller ID back then, you had to answer the phone.  Teachers were active in the community, you saw them at the grocery store, department stores, my english teacher was a member of my fathers church!!!!!

To me, parental control is completely out of control!!! In my opinion, I believe that parents should be held completely accountable for the actions of their children. Dont get me wrong, I know that kids are going to do some very crazy things that parents dont have any knowledge of, but stuff like: PTA meetings, report card pick up, parent / teacher nights, progress reports, curfew, etc... There should be a fine or a payroll deduction on a check, thats the only time that we decide to get serious is when someone plays with our money!!!!  Just my opinion!

Therein lies the crux of your problem: parents can't be held accountable, if the government ties their hands. I feel, in it's effort to save children, CPS has done more harm. Some parents are scared to be parents. Other than that, and probably a bigger issue is the self-serving attitude people have these days. Everyone is concerned about themselves.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 01:54:58 PM
Sadly to say when he was campaigning many blacks were onboard to vote for him, mainly because he was a black man and they figured that he was going to be for the black people, but come on let's get past the ignorance. That would work for a country with 100% black people in it, but in a country that is probably the most diverse country in the world it will not work. He must be fair no matter what race one is. Furthermore, we as a people no matter the color of our skin must do our parts to make things right. For instance, why should you expect to get forty acres and a mule, and you can't keep the grass cut with the 1 acre you have now. We must come together and work and get relying on one person to make things better. Furthermore, instead of putting all of our trust and faith in man, we need to turn to God and invest our trust, faith, money, time, and everything else into his kingdom, and watch great things happen.

(Just for FYI)
 I will be the first one to say that I did not vote for President Obama, and I am a black person, because of his views on abortion and gay marriages. However, as a person I will continue to believe that abortion is wrong, and gay marriage is wrong, and I will not support anyone who believes different, no matter the color of their skin.         
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: B3Wannabe on July 21, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Sadly to say when he was campaigning many blacks were onboard to vote for him, mainly because he was a black man and they figured that he was going to be for the black people, but come on let's get past the ignorance. That would work for a country with 100% black people in it, but in a country that is probably the most diverse country in the world it will not work. He must be fair no matter what race one is. Furthermore, we as a people no matter the color of our skin must do our parts to make things right. For instance, why should you expect to get forty acres and a mule, and you can't keep the grass cut with the 1 acre you have now. We must come together and work and get relying on one person to make things better. Furthermore, instead of putting all of our trust and faith in man, we need to turn to God and invest our trust, faith, money, time, and everything else into his kingdom, and watch great things happen.

(Just for FYI)
 I will be the first one to say that I did not vote for President Obama, and I am a black person, because of his views on abortion and gay marriages. However, as a person I will continue to believe that abortion is wrong, and gay marriage is wrong, and I will not support anyone who believes different, no matter the color of their skin.         

I have two points:


1. Actually, voting for someone because they're Black would be idiotic in a country with 100% Black people. ;D ;D You'd get the weird looks, for sure. Although it's not a good reason, it makes sense in the USA, since we're only about %15 percent of the population.

2. I guess the person you voted for wasn't a major candidate on the ballot then, because both McCain and Obama supported those things, albeit differently.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 02:32:38 PM
 That is your opinon B3Wannabe, but actually I voted for the independent canidate, because the two major party canidates both were not what I was looking for as a leader of the United States, though I knew one of them would win. The election this past year in my opinon was very commercialized, and the endorsers of both parties were not the type of people that I would put a great deal of trust in.

  Also, what I was saying in my first statement, was that of there was a country comprised of 100% black people, then it would be expected that the president would work in favor of the black people, but when you have a diverse racial population such as the United States, then you cannot expect the president to be for one particular race, he can help do some things that would help the black race, but he can't just come in and put all black people on top, as many expect. I say this because of the things that I heard when he was campaigning. For instance I work at a prison in North Carolina, and the inmates thought that they would be released or that new legislation would be implemented because he was a black presidential canidate ( that is ignorant). Also the day before the election I was in Wal-Mart coming outside after I had paid for my merchandise. It was me, this young black lady, and this older white lady. Now the Older white lady stopped in front of the door, and it slowed down the progress of those behind her, and as we were walking the young black lady, stated "all this is going to come to an end tomorrow", meaning that once President Obama wins the election we won't be  slowed up by white people stopping in front of the door, as if he was going to implelment some type of legislation to stop people from stopping in front of doors. This is the type of ignorance I was talking about. So many of us as black people, think that when black people are running for some type of office, that the person is going to be all for our race, and that is not the case, but so many of us have that mentality. We must learn how to stop looking at color and looking at the issues that situations that surround us, and work on them together, instead of playing the race card.                 
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 02:54:41 PM
(Just for FYI)
 I will be the first one to say that I did not vote for President Obama, and I am a black person, because of his views on abortion and gay marriages. However, as a person I will continue to believe that abortion is wrong, and gay marriage is wrong, and I will not support anyone who believes different, no matter the color of their skin.         

OK, haven't posted much lately, but I can't stand ignorance or misimformation. Obama has said time and time again that he is AGAINST gay marriage. He even issued a long statement recently supporting the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which angered a lot of liberals. Also, please do NOT assume that all blacks only supported Obama because he was black. That is a ridiculous generalization that is NOT supported by fact nor historical precedence. Even though I have my own personal views about people choosing candidates based on these issues (I'm not going to get into at this time), I stress that you can support any candidate you want for any reason you want, but please get your facts straight.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: B3Wannabe on July 21, 2009, 03:01:32 PM
Exactly. People confuse his support of Civil Unions with support of Gay Marriage. Both candidates supported civil unions--but anyway.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 03:38:47 PM
OK, haven't posted much lately, but I can't stand ignorance or misimformation. Obama has said time and time again that he is AGAINST gay marriage. He even issued a long statement recently supporting the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which angered a lot of liberals. Also, please do NOT assume that all blacks only supported Obama because he was black. That is a ridiculous generalization that is NOT supported by fact nor historical precedence. Even though I have my own personal views about people choosing candidates based on these issues (I'm not going to get into at this time), I stress that you can support any candidate you want for any reason you want, but please get your facts straight.

  Gay marriage or civil unions regardless its wrong, and furthermore, during his campaign he didn't issued those statements. If you think that its ignorant, I apologize, but whatever you want to call it a relationship between two people of the same sex is not right, and that is something that I am not going to support no matter who you are. On another I did not say that black people supported him because he was black, I said many voted because he was black, and you know that is true. So you need to get your facts straight, and stop reading just one part of the topic and seeing one thing, when there is a lot more to be seen in that post. Not to anger you, but, when asked about the two topics taht mean a lot to me (my opinion) he always tried to elude the question or tip-toed around it. I am not against him, if that is what you think, I am simply not going to vote for something that I don't approve of, and I seen personally a great deal of people take sides with him, not even knowing his views on topics fully, but really took a liking to his physical appearance. I am not saying everybody, that is your ignorance, saying that I said everyone voted for him because of his race. Like I said he never really answered the questions fully, and to me if you can't answer the questions fully no matted who you are or at what capacity, it seems to me that you are not telling the true or have something to hide.   
 
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: LaylaMonroe on July 21, 2009, 03:51:14 PM
  Gay marriage or civil unions regardless its wrong, and furthermore, during his campaign he didn't issued those statements. If you think that its ignorant, I apologize, but whatever you want to call it a relationship between two people of the same sex is not right, and that is something that I am not going to support no matter who you are. On another I did not say that black people supported him because he was black, I said many voted because he was black, and you know that is true. So you need to get your facts straight, and stop reading just one part of the topic and seeing one thing, when there is a lot more to be seen in that post. Not to anger you, but, when asked about the two topics taht mean a lot to me (my opinion) he always tried to elude the question or tip-toed around it. I am not against him, if that is what you think, I am simply not going to vote for something that I don't approve of, and I seen personally a great deal of people take sides with him, not even knowing his views on topics fully, but really took a liking to his physical appearance. I am not saying everybody, that is your ignorance, saying that I said everyone voted for him because of his race. Like I said he never really answered the questions fully, and to me if you can't answer the questions fully no matted who you are or at what capacity, it seems to me that you are not telling the true or have something to hide.   
 

Now HERE'S a guy who doesn't know Loop.

*biting my nails nervously at what is to come*
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: SirTJ on July 21, 2009, 04:10:25 PM
Now HERE'S a guy who doesn't know Loop.

*biting my nails nervously at what is to come*


I know that's right. Was he NOT at this year's LGM awards when Loop won the "You Do NOT Want To Go Toe-To-Toe With This Dude" award?
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 04:28:14 PM
  So you need to get your facts straight, and stop reading just one part of the topic and seeing one thing, when there is a lot more to be seen in that post.

With all due respect, I did read your entire post, and you are absolutely right. There was a lot more ignorance your post than just that one statement, but that was the one that jumped out as being patently false, so I decided to correct it. I'm not here to "defend" Obama, but I guess the educator in me wants people to have logical, sensible and fact-based arguments for a position and not throw around pointless generalizations and anomalistic examples (i.e. people thinking they won't have to wait in line behind white people anymore). People vote for various candidates for WHATEVER reason, and that's their right. This is NOT, however, unique to Obama and should not be portrayed as such.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
Now HERE'S a guy who doesn't know Loop.

*biting my nails nervously at what is to come*


I know that's right. Was he NOT at this year's LGM awards when Loop won the "You Do NOT Want To Go Toe-To-Toe With This Dude" award?

Y'all are a MESS!!  :D :D
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: sjonathan02 on July 21, 2009, 04:31:59 PM
With all due respect, I did read your entire post, and you are absolutely right. There was a lot more ignorance your post than just that one statement, but that was the one that jumped out as being patently false, so I decided to correct it. I'm not here to "defend" Obama, but I guess the educator in me wants people to have logical, sensical and factual arguments for a position and not throw around pointless generalizations and anomalistic examples (i.e. people thinking they won't have to wait in line behind white people anymore). People vote for various candidates for WHATEVER reason, and that's their right. This is NOT, however, unique to Obama and should not be portrayed as such.


 ?/? :-\ I see you're heated, my brotha.  :D 8)
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 04:37:05 PM

 ?/? :-\ I see you're heated, my brotha.  :D 8)

What u talkin' bout, Willis???  ;) 8) :D
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: sjonathan02 on July 21, 2009, 04:37:40 PM
What u talkin' bout, Willis???  ;) 8) :D


 :D :D
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 04:47:45 PM
I am far from heated I love a good debate. Got nothing for love for all my LGM family. Don't take nothing personal, I know I don't, our opinions are our opinions. We have freedom of speech. No animosity here, I work in a hostile environment, nothing can be said on this site to hurt me.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: under13 on July 21, 2009, 04:53:03 PM
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Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: spider5 on July 21, 2009, 04:56:51 PM
With all due respect, I did read your entire post, and you are absolutely right. There was a lot more ignorance your post than just that one statement, but that was the one that jumped out as being patently false, so I decided to correct it. I'm not here to "defend" Obama, but I guess the educator in me wants people to have logical, sensible and fact-based arguments for a position and not throw around pointless generalizations and anomalistic examples (i.e. people thinking they won't have to wait in line behind white people anymore). People vote for various candidates for WHATEVER reason, and that's their right. This is NOT, however, unique to Obama and should not be portrayed as such.

  That is what someone said, in reference to him winning the election. Tha was ignorant for the girl saying that. you are totally missing the point, in which there is no need to even debate with you anymore. I can see you hitting the key hard to show your frustration. However, you're making your own self mad, because you have not stopped to understand what I was saying. You just read what I said. you know what I wrote, but don't understand what I wrote. Knowledge + understanding = wisdom, which is something that you are lacking from my statement, because you totally missed my point all together, which creates confusion on your part.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Loopy on July 21, 2009, 05:12:08 PM
  That is what someone said, in reference to him winning the election. Tha was ignorant for the girl saying that. you are totally missing the point, in which there is no need to even debate with you anymore. I can see you hitting the key hard to show your frustration. However, you're making your own self mad, because you have not stopped to understand what I was saying. You just read what I said. you know what I wrote, but don't understand what I wrote. Knowledge + understanding = wisdom, which is something that you are lacking from my statement, because you totally missed my point all together, which creates confusion on your part.

I am not heated. HUNGRY, maybe, but not heated. You don't know me (as has been said), so it's understandable. We probably missed each other's point. It's all good, though.

I do , however, find it VERY interesting that you posted this:

I am far from heated I love a good debate. Got nothing for love for all my LGM family. Don't take nothing personal, I know I don't, our opinions are our opinions. We have freedom of speech. No animosity here, I work in a hostile environment, nothing can be said on this site to hurt me.

...and then immediately afterwards you posted this:

Loopy time for you to grow up. I am not the one

VERY interesting indeed. James 1:8 much? Oh well, time for me to go tend to "grown's folks" bidness! I think I'm feelin a cheeseburger and fries right about now!  :D 8)
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: B3Wannabe on July 21, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
  That is what someone said, in reference to him winning the election. Tha was ignorant for the girl saying that. you are totally missing the point, in which there is no need to even debate with you anymore. I can see you hitting the key hard to show your frustration. However, you're making your own self mad, because you have not stopped to understand what I was saying. You just read what I said. you know what I wrote, but don't understand what I wrote. Knowledge + understanding = wisdom, which is something that you are lacking from my statement, because you totally missed my point all together, which creates confusion on your part.

I don't think anyone is missing your point. You said he supported "gay marriage" which is false, as Loopy pointed out. He was agreeing with you on the its-all-about-to-end point--at least from my interpretation of his post.

We had a huge discussion about this last year. If you're going to disregard a candidate based on gay marriage, then you need to disregard ones that have offended the other biblical principals as well.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: SavnBass on February 01, 2012, 05:00:14 PM
Dusting this sucka off.... since err uhhh ... It's almost that time again  ..  So where are we with hindsight? Who would have thought that come this time around ... after McCain/Palin that we'd be seeing Romney/________ or even more incredulous ... Gingrich/_______

Are we better off or not?

Personally I think we are .. and if I had to choose between the candidaters as they stand today with either of the republicans.. I'd still go with the president. Given the field I don't think there is a more qualified candidate ..

Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: nessalynn77 on February 01, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
I wasn't so sure about the President the first time around, but even with all of the negative press, he is head and shoulders above anything the republican party has come up with.  I really wonder what's wrong with them, that they can't come up with a decent mainstream candidate to give Obama a good run for his money.   All of the candidates they have are inflammatory, polarizing characters.  That's not the way to go right now, IMO.  I foresee them having a hard time reuniting the party for the general election after this primary dissolves into an all out war.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: blyempowered on February 01, 2012, 07:40:36 PM
AND to me Romney saying he wasn't concerned about "very poor" with Gingrich's "food stamps" stuff? Even though I've always made the case that Obama getting a 2nd term would be challenging, I think Obama (depending on unemployment statistics_ is headed for a 2nd term.

SMH!
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: phbrown on February 01, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
AND to me Romney saying he wasn't concerned about "very poor" with Gingrich's "food stamps" stuff? Even though I've always made the case that Obama getting a 2nd term would be challenging, I think Obama (depending on unemployment statistics_ is headed for a 2nd term.

SMH!


why are you shaking your head?
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: blyempowered on February 01, 2012, 09:41:05 PM

why are you shaking your head?

1. It's a habit LOL!

2. That this country would support anyone that does not care about the very poor people...SMH!
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: nessalynn77 on February 02, 2012, 01:08:47 AM
1. It's a habit LOL!

2. That this country would support anyone that does not care about the very poor people...SMH!
If you read the context, that's not what he was saying.  He was saying he's not concerned about them because the systems in place make sure they have food and housing, etc.   The working class are suffering in this economy but don't qualify for any help.  Don't just listen to the sound bytes, listen to the whole story. 

However, his policies still only help the very rich, so now after we listen to the whole story, we have to hear what the actions are saying and determine if it lines up.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: LaylaMonroe on February 02, 2012, 06:14:38 AM
Thank you, Nessa. After correcting people all day, I finally got tired of saying anything so I gave up. Mitt Romney did NOT simply say that he doesn't care about the very poor and it is SO shockingly ignorant to keep quoting and repeating that over and over. I saw that quote from the most responsible journalists I follow on Twitter, even the non-political ones, and from many socially and politically conscious pastors. It was disappointing, to say the least.

We really need to do better and stop typing so dern much. Read more, type less.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: nessalynn77 on February 02, 2012, 07:40:51 AM
Yeah, and it makes the election about spin rather than the facts.  I can take clips from speeches and make Barack Obama sound like the devil, too.  It's not hard, but it is hard to listen to the facts, understand the context, determine if they are being truthful, and then make informed decisions.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: sjonathan02 on February 02, 2012, 08:02:12 AM
I wasn't so sure about the President the first time around, but even with all of the negative press, he is head and shoulders above anything the republican party has come up with.  I really wonder what's wrong with them, that they can't come up with a decent mainstream candidate to give Obama a good run for his money.   All of the candidates they have are inflammatory, polarizing characters.  That's not the way to go right now, IMO.  I foresee them having a hard time reuniting the party for the general election after this primary dissolves into an all out war.

I may disagree in that many folks are not as pleased with Obama as they believed they would be.  As a result, folks may vote for anyone who isn't Obama.  :-\
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: LaylaMonroe on February 02, 2012, 08:08:41 AM
And still, people are quoting and RT that stupid Romney soundbyte this very morning. Smh. I quit Twitter.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: sjonathan02 on February 02, 2012, 08:14:20 AM
And still, people are quoting and RT that stupid Romney soundbyte this very morning. Smh. I quit Twitter.

For like, what, three minutes or so? :D
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: LaylaMonroe on February 02, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
Probably. :D

Actually, anybody can tell you, this week was really the first time I ever got into Twitter. I never really liked it. Still don't love it, but I have a couple of friends who really brighten my day with much laughter via Twitter so I started hanging out there a lil more.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Arkhams Finest on February 02, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Mitt Romney chose his words poorly, but it's clear to anyone who is concerned with the TRUTH that his quote was taken out of context:

Quote
“I’m not concerned about the very poor; we have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine. I’m concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90 percent, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling, and I’ll continue to take that message across the nation.”

Whether he means that or not is another issue, but it's clear that taking the first clause of that first sentence and parading it around is deceptive.



Do you know why Obama won?  Not just because he's black.  Blacks don't make up NEAR enough of the population to carry him to the win.  I believe he won because McCain/Palin used the same silly word games.

Instead of focusing solely on issues they said he "palls around with terrorists".  It's clear to anyone with even a little sense that the "palls around with terrorists" line + questioning his place of birth was meant to prey on people's fear of radical muslims. 

Barack Obama.  Interesting name.  Sounds muslim.  He also hangs with terrorists and may not even be a US Citizen.  Maybe he's really an Al Qaeda operative.

It backfired.

People with even a little bit of sense saw through it and were turned off by it.  It insulted their intelligence.  Obama was speaking of hope and change and here was McCain/Palin, throwing low blows and using every dirty trick they could.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Docdb04 on February 02, 2012, 09:02:51 AM
We have two issues with both President Obama and Mitt Romney, in a nutshell.

President Obama is going to maintain government assistance (i.e Welfare, unemployement, etc) and try to monitor more closely.  Mitt Romney isn't for government assistance.  So basically if he is elected, you only have a certain period time for government assistance.  After that you are on your own.  Now there is truth to both viewpoints. 

I feel you can't cut unemployment benefits if unemployment is still rising.  The same can be said about welfare.  Both viewpoints stand on whether unemployment  will increase or decrease.  I personally don't have any fault in President Obama. 

I feel that whomever would have become president back in 2008, would have had the same outcome given the situation he walked into.   
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: LaylaMonroe on February 02, 2012, 09:12:48 AM
IRT welfare, I almost always agree with Republicans. I definitely support tighter restrictions on welfare, such as mandated 30 hour work weeks for those who are not on disability (whether volunteering for the city/county or volunteering at your child's school or going to school full-time), time limits (no longer than 4 years on welfare), and max pay-outs for family growth (for the people who continue to reproduce while already on welfare... nah homie. You wanna keep having babies, you're on your own).

However, I will still vote for President Obama for the reasons Nessa named, and others. I think he's the best man for the job, and I've never been moved or manipulated by these petty games they play to get us to focus on one or two "key" issues that THEY tell us to care about. 2000 was all about gay marriage and abortion because that's what they told us to be afraid of. 2004 was about the war, and not so much about gay marriage and abortion. 2008 was about the economy and the war and healthcare... again, they didn't tell us to be concerned with abortion and gay marriage, so that wasn't a hot button item. Let them bring it up today, and suddenly, it'll be a big deal again and people will vote Republican because they told us to freak out about abortion and gay marriage. I see past all that... I'm not minimizing THOSE issues, but as I've always said, the platforms are FULLLLLLLL of issues that contradict Biblical principles - and we only seem to worry about the ones that they pull to the forefront and tell us to worry about.
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Arkhams Finest on February 02, 2012, 09:27:30 AM
Jon Stewart's response to Mitt Romney's quote:

“It’s like a doctor saying ‘I’m not concerned about the very healthy… or the very sick because, you know, morphine.”


 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: Docdb04 on February 02, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
IRT welfare, I almost always agree with Republicans. I definitely support tighter restrictions on welfare, such as mandated 30 hour work weeks for those who are not on disability (whether volunteering for the city/county or volunteering at your child's school or going to school full-time), time limits (no longer than 4 years on welfare), and max pay-outs for family growth (for the people who continue to reproduce while already on welfare... nah homie. You wanna keep having babies, you're on your own).

However, I will still vote for President Obama for the reasons Nessa named, and others. I think he's the best man for the job, and I've never been moved or manipulated by these petty games they play to get us to focus on one or two "key" issues that THEY tell us to care about. 2000 was all about gay marriage and abortion because that's what they told us to be afraid of. 2004 was about the war, and not so much about gay marriage and abortion. 2008 was about the economy and the war and healthcare... again, they didn't tell us to be concerned with abortion and gay marriage, so that wasn't a hot button item. Let them bring it up today, and suddenly, it'll be a big deal again and people will vote Republican because they told us to freak out about abortion and gay marriage. I see past all that... I'm not minimizing THOSE issues, but as I've always said, the platforms are FULLLLLLLL of issues that contradict Biblical principles - and we only seem to worry about the ones that they pull to the forefront and tell us to worry about.

I can't bold anything because my browser is outdated at work, so "That whole first" paragraph, I dig. 
Title: Re: President Obama--Hope or a Hate for the Black Community
Post by: nessalynn77 on February 02, 2012, 10:56:30 AM
Jon Stewart's response to Mitt Romney's quote:

“It’s like a doctor saying ‘I’m not concerned about the very healthy… or the very sick because, you know, morphine.”


 :D :D :D :D :D
PWA!!!  I watched the Daily Show for the first time in a long time earlier this week.  Dude is infinitely hilarious.