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Title: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: phbrown on June 17, 2012, 11:57:20 PM
Barbershop talk ... random thought was ... interesting was wondering if anyone else had a similar opinion.

Superheros such as Spiderman/Superman essentially become the being in the movies that people would call on when something goes awry. Thus this theory (or some guy's random musing) says that people are replacing Jesus with the idea of a superhero  ....


it may be easier to see it this way by looking at the darker side. This same theory goes on to the reason why vampires/werewolves are making a lot of movies/tv shows. Again the same premise applies a coordinated attack to remove the notion that Jesus is needed.

Lets take the movie twilight the first thing is that evil is romanticize and it perverts the idea of evil as if it is good. By doing this people start to accept that there is more than one way to do something and this way in the movie isn't that bad and that it makes sense.

So is there anyone else on here who ever thought that someone/something was attempting to use superheros to dilute the image/need of Jesus in the american psyhce?



.... there was one flaw in my mind about this whole thing and that is as long as you can separate fact from fiction no worries.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Fenix on June 18, 2012, 12:03:13 AM
Nah!
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: chevonee on June 18, 2012, 03:24:41 AM
Nope
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Fenix on June 18, 2012, 05:34:11 AM
Well I was really sleepy and didn't feel like typing a long response.

Frankly I don't think it has anything to do with replacing Jesus. They just want to make super-heroes, and people nowadays already know fact from fiction. We all know Supes is just a fictional character.

I don't want to spiritualize everything. :)
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: chevonee on June 18, 2012, 06:00:01 AM
No Sketchy, my response wasn't out of ignorance. My response is just what I happen to believe. Why make it a long drawn out argument when it can be a simple yes or no.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Fenix on June 18, 2012, 06:24:01 AM
No Sketchy, my response wasn't out of ignorance. My response is just what I happen to believe. Why make it a long drawn out argument when it can be a simple yes or no.

this, yo.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 18, 2012, 08:13:03 AM
Barbershop talk ... random thought was ... interesting was wondering if anyone else had a similar opinion.

Superheros such as Spiderman/Superman essentially become the being in the movies that people would call on when something goes awry. Thus this theory (or some guy's random musing) says that people are replacing Jesus with the idea of a superhero  ....


it may be easier to see it this way by looking at the darker side. This same theory goes on to the reason why vampires/werewolves are making a lot of movies/tv shows. Again the same premise applies a coordinated attack to remove the notion that Jesus is needed.

Lets take the movie twilight the first thing is that evil is romanticize and it perverts the idea of evil as if it is good. By doing this people start to accept that there is more than one way to do something and this way in the movie isn't that bad and that it makes sense.

So is there anyone else on here who ever thought that someone/something was attempting to use superheros to dilute the image/need of Jesus in the american psyhce?



.... there was one flaw in my mind about this whole thing and that is as long as you can separate fact from fiction no worries.





(http://www.wordans.com.au/wordansfiles/images/2011/2/3/65238/65238_340.jpg?1296763786)
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 18, 2012, 08:35:55 AM
Okay.

I'm sorry. I tried, I really tried with the one word thing. It didn't work =(

You held out for a little under 28 minutes.  Can't really give you an 'A' for effort.    :D :D :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 18, 2012, 08:38:40 AM
You held out for a little under 28 minutes.  Can't really give you an 'A' for effort.    :D :D :D

:D Dummyhead!
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on June 18, 2012, 09:00:23 AM
While not to "replace" jesus, many of them draw on the "Jehovah/Jesus/man" story line.

Perfect example is Superman, where you have Jor-El, giving his only son to save the world. Especially when it was done for the 1978 movie.
Quote
They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son.

AND you have that shot of Kal-el above the earth in a crucifix position in the recent movie.

AND, their name is "El" (house of El), a common prefix in many of personified names of God. (Shaddai, Elyon, etc)


from Superman returns
Quote
Lois:"The world doesn't need a savior. And neither do I." To which, Superman responds, "You wrote that the world doesn't need a savior. But everyday I hear people crying for one."


in the comic canon, Supes dies, and got back up. They even used the the iconography of "the tomb is empty!"


ya cant have Supes without Jesus.

and here's a bonus. Supes was made by Seigel and Shuster...... Jewish people.

And Jesus was born of.....Jewish people.....
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 18, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
This is an interesting discussion.

Slightly over my head, since I'm not into superheroes and things... but interesting nonetheless.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Fenix on June 18, 2012, 09:07:45 AM
Good one, Wolfy!

 :o
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: T-Block on June 18, 2012, 10:31:16 AM
Well I was really sleepy and didn't feel like typing a long response.

Frankly I don't think it has anything to do with replacing Jesus. They just want to make super-heroes, and people nowadays already know fact from fiction. We all know Supes is just a fictional character.

CO-SIGN!!!
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: csedwards2 on June 18, 2012, 11:48:13 AM


Lets take the movie Twilight

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNKjGVe6tcM/0.jpg)
HOW BOUT NO!
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 18, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
([url]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNKjGVe6tcM/0.jpg[/url])
HOW BOUT NO!



(http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/10%20pic%20unrelated.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: JustBritt on June 18, 2012, 11:53:51 AM
^^^

Right. Because I totally didn't get it.  ?/?
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 18, 2012, 11:55:48 AM
I have to say, I've never in my entire life hated a gif as much as I hate that gif. That's horrible.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: sjonathan02 on June 18, 2012, 12:21:21 PM
Nah!

How did the thread not end right here? ?/?
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Fenix on June 18, 2012, 12:35:37 PM
LOL!

Sketch, what???

Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 18, 2012, 12:36:00 PM
Because that would imply that the above statement is a pretty cool guy; that Eh absolute truths and doesn't afraid of anything.

lolwut
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: sjonathan02 on June 18, 2012, 12:45:48 PM
Because that would imply that the above statement is a pretty cool guy; that Eh absolute truths and doesn't afraid of anything.

LOL!

Sketch, what???



lolwut

What they said.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 18, 2012, 01:05:05 PM
Aw... come on... I thought you'd be the one person to get it. I guess I dug a bit too deep into my Internetz.

R u....disappoint?
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: T-Block on June 18, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
HAHAHAHAHA, that baby like "Ooops, you caught me wit my mouth full."
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: SirTJ on June 18, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
Son, you just don't know.

Ummm...I'm pretty sure RJ is older than you.  :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Fenix on June 18, 2012, 07:01:52 PM
Actually I don't think so. I think Sketch is older than RJ.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: SirTJ on June 18, 2012, 07:06:42 PM
If Sketch's profile information is correct, he's 5 years behind.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 18, 2012, 07:08:14 PM
Dang. Your research ruined my thread idea. I was gonna do a poll to see what people thought. :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: phbrown on June 18, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
I am not 100% certain whether I agree with my first post or not ... one thing I am discovering is how many subtle things happen in media/tv/internet/daily life that goes counter to many of the basic tenents of Christian faith but that we find a way to say it is okay....


*contemplating*
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 19, 2012, 07:30:07 AM
Ummm...I'm pretty sure RJ is older than you.  :D


Actually I don't think so. I think Sketch is older than RJ.


If Sketch's profile information is correct, he's 5 years behind.



"Son, I am disappoint" is a meme.  His choice of words was deliberate.






(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41787_214277156210_9019_n.jpg)
(http://www.feedandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/SON-I-AM-DISSAPOINT.jpg)
(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/Heavy-SON-I-AM-DISSAPOINT.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 19, 2012, 08:01:09 AM
Ftr, I sat back and laughed because I knew it was a meme....

Okay, now that we're doing this informational session, can someone tell me what a "meme" is? I saw that in that 25th birthday gif article, and I've seen it here a few times. What is that???? Like, what does it mean?
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: lordluvr on June 19, 2012, 08:19:10 AM
Barbershop talk ... random thought was ... interesting was wondering if anyone else had a similar opinion.

Superheros such as Spiderman/Superman essentially become the being in the movies that people would call on when something goes awry. Thus this theory (or some guy's random musing) says that people are replacing Jesus with the idea of a superhero  ....


it may be easier to see it this way by looking at the darker side. This same theory goes on to the reason why vampires/werewolves are making a lot of movies/tv shows. Again the same premise applies a coordinated attack to remove the notion that Jesus is needed.

Lets take the movie twilight the first thing is that evil is romanticize and it perverts the idea of evil as if it is good. By doing this people start to accept that there is more than one way to do something and this way in the movie isn't that bad and that it makes sense.

So is there anyone else on here who ever thought that someone/something was attempting to use superheros to dilute the image/need of Jesus in the american psyhce?



.... there was one flaw in my mind about this whole thing and that is as long as you can separate fact from fiction no worries.
It's possible.  I never really paid it much attention.  For me, it's just entertainment.  I know who my Savior is.  For the non-believer, the image is already diluted or non-existent, else they'd be believers. 

Let's assume that it is such an attempt, what concerns me more is that not enough of us believers are showing others Christ through our testimonies and our lives.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 19, 2012, 08:23:21 AM
Ftr, I sat back and laughed because I knew it was a meme....

Okay, now that we're doing this informational session, can someone tell me what a "meme" is? I saw that in that 25th birthday gif article, and I've seen it here a few times. What is that???? Like, what does it mean?


A meme is any idea or behavior that spreads on the internet.  It might be a pic (trollface), gif (Haters gonna hate), phrase (I c wut u did there), etc.

They're a part of internet culture. 

For more info on memes: http://knowyourmeme.com/ (http://knowyourmeme.com/)
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 19, 2012, 08:27:38 AM
A meme is any idea or behavior that spreads on the internet.  It might be a pic (trollface), gif (Haters gonna hate), phrase (I c wut u did there), etc.

They're a part of internet culture. 

For more info on memes: [url]http://knowyourmeme.com/[/url] ([url]http://knowyourmeme.com/[/url])


Okay, first of all, thanks. That makes sense.

But, I absolutely cracked up at "for more info on memes:"  :D :D :D :D :D

Maybe I'm drunk. I really did crack up. :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 19, 2012, 08:35:30 AM
Okay, first of all, thanks. That makes sense.

But, I absolutely cracked up at "for more info on memes:"  :D :D :D :D :D

Maybe I'm drunk. I really did crack up. :D

Liquid breakfast?   :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 19, 2012, 08:36:36 AM
Liquid breakfast?   :D

:D

I get drunk off of coffee. Doesn't everyone? :-\
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 19, 2012, 08:37:42 AM
:D

I get drunk off of coffee. Doesn't everyone? :-\

Sis, where do you get YOUR coffee from?
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: lordluvr on June 19, 2012, 08:38:59 AM
:D

I get drunk off of coffee. Doesn't everyone? :-\
Depends upon what they put in their coffee.   :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 19, 2012, 08:47:58 AM
Sis, where do you get YOUR coffee from?
Depends upon what they put in their coffee.   :D

Stop telling my secrets. Geesh. :-\


:D :D :D (for the lurkers, I'm just kidding. I don't get drunk and I drink my coffee with cream and sugar only). :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on June 19, 2012, 09:04:16 AM
Stop telling my secrets. Geesh. :-\


:D :D :D (for the lurkers, I'm just kidding. I don't get drunk and I drink my coffee with cream and sugar only). :D

hey, Harvey's Bristol and Bailey's are cream too.

not that i'd know.....
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Arkhams Finest on June 19, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
hey, Harvey's Bristol and Bailey's are cream too.

not that i'd know.....

Maaaan, don't be skrrrd.

I had a few drinks at a wedding reception I went to on Saturday and as far as I can tell I'm still saved.   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on June 19, 2012, 09:48:08 AM
shoot, that dont make me no difference. i never cared about that concerning me. My decision to stop drinkin came looooong before my Walk, as it were. The Writ sez, "dont be GIVEN". for those who lack self control, dont.

Skoal, and L'chaim. (raises glass of Man-o-Manichewitz)


*back to our regularly scheduled thread*
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on June 19, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
How does every LGM thread turn into racism or drinking? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: sjonathan02 on June 19, 2012, 11:05:51 AM
shoot, that dont make me no difference. i never cared about that concerning me. My decision to stop drinkin came looooong before my Walk, as it were. The Writ sez, "dont be GIVEN". for those who lack self control, dont.

Skoal, and L'chaim. (raises glass of Man-o-Manichewitz)


*back to our regularly scheduled thread*

That's too funny, and reminds of the 'Good Times' episode.  :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on June 19, 2012, 05:17:33 PM
That's too funny, and reminds of the 'Good Times' episode.  :D

props for the catch.
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: under13 on June 19, 2012, 06:49:15 PM

@Getting drunk off coffee: Sugar+Milk equals alcohol in your stomach. 'Tis why kids who always eat sugary milky stuff get beer guts, and eating too much ice cream late at night gives you a hang-over in the morning.


Do you see that Britt? :D
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: SavnBass on June 19, 2012, 10:41:10 PM

@The original topic: Hey, did you guys know that Benjamin Jacob Grimm (aka The Thing) is the only Marvel character to die and be resurrected by the one-and-only capital-g God? Like, out of all the ways for a comic character to die and comeback (not really dead, superman punches the air so hard it warps reality, multiple universes colliding, Lazarus pools, clones, intervention by demi-gods and Celestials etc. etc. ad nauseam) Ben's the only one who's actually been raised back up by The Almighty Himself.

So interesting. He's also an expy of Jack Kirby, and Jewish (like Jack Kirby).

You know your Marvel..  :o  ;D

to the OT ... I don't think so.. I think they are more in line with classic storytelling... The Avengers could just as well be the Seven Samurai ..
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: betnich on June 20, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
You know your Marvel..  :o  ;D

to the OT ... I don't think so.. I think they are more in line with classic storytelling... The Avengers could just as well be the Seven Samurai ..


...or the oil drillers in ARMAGEDDON...bunch of misfits individually, who function as a team for a good cause.

BTW, finally saw the Avengers (good mindless summer movie), and IMO the Hulk had the right attitude toward all this when pummeling the evil Loki - muttering "puny god"   :P
Title: Re: Is the Avengers/Spiderman/Superheros an indirect attack on Jesus?
Post by: Hasmonean1 on June 20, 2012, 07:27:08 PM
Donald Lawrence made a song "My Superman".  I liked it quite a bit.