New passing chords please, help?

[MrJkeys]

Hi brothas and sistas, how yall doin? Im Jesse, from South Africa. New to this forum, and I absolutely love it. I learn lots from it.

Can yall help me out with some phat, passing chords please?  (by breaking it down as usual, LH/RH notes, etc.)

I am busy learning the number system, so yall can give it in one key (eg. C) and i'll work it out in the others. Thanx yall

Much love from S.A!!!

[PianoWizard]

Welcome to the LGM family "MrJkeys".....Be Blessed.

PianoWiz...

[NJDBalla]

The only thing I can tell you is, get familiar with you diminished chords(including half diminshed) and your tritones.

Say for instance, in the key of Db, you have, (I'm working on my theory so, excuse me.)

Db/Ab-Db-Eb-Ab  DbM9
F/Ab-C-Eb-Ab  Fm7
Bb/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9
Eb/Gb-Bb-Db-F  Ebm9
Ab/Gb-Bb-C-F  Absus13? lol
Db/F-Ab-C-Eb  DbM7? 

Thats a pretty nice progression in it's self, right? Try this:

Db/Ab-Db-Eb-Ab  DbM9
C/E-Ab-Bb-Eb  C7#9?
F/Ab-C-Eb-Ab  Fm7
C/Bb-Eb-G  Cm7
F/A-Db-Eb-Ab  F7#9
Bb/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9
D/Ab-B-D-F  Ddim
Eb/G-Bb-Db-F  Eb7add9
Ab/Gb-Bb-Db-Eb  Ab/GbM6 
--/Gb-A-C-Eb Ab/Cdim7
Db/F-Ab-C-Eb DbM7

The bolded chords are ones that are changed or added in.
Now its pretty, churchy, and somewhat jazzy at the same time.

Check this "groove" out Its a slow count:

[1 2 3 4]Bb-F/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9
[1 2 3 4]F-C/Ab-C-Eb-G  Fm9

Now with some tritones:
[1 2]Bb-F/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9
[3]F-B/E-A-Db
[4]E-Bb/Eb-Ab-C
[1 2 3]F-C/Ab-C-Eb-G  Fm9
[4]A-Eb/Ab-Db-F
*repeat
See that some "flava" was added when the tritones are played.
But yeah, play with your diminished chords, tritones, minors(7 9 and so on)
Hopefully this helps

[NJDBalla]

Someone "grade" my theory notation lol, I might be wrong somewhere

[MrJkeys]

Hey, thank you very much. I'm sure this will help me, I'm writing it down now and will practice it at home. (in all the other keys )

Thanks guys, keep em coming.

[T-Block]

Someone "grade" my theory notation lol, I might be wrong somewhere

Aiight man, I'll grade ya, LOL:

Say for instance, in the key of Db, you have, (I'm working on my theory so, excuse me.)

Db/Ab-Db-Eb-Ab  DbM9  wrong
F/Ab-C-Eb-Ab  Fm7  correct
Bb/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9  correct
Eb/Gb-Bb-Db-F  Ebm9  correct
Ab/Gb-Bb-C-F  Absus13? lol  wrong
Db/F-Ab-C-Eb  DbM7?  correct

Db / Ab-Db-Eb-Ab = Db2 or Dbsus2  *no 3rd or M7 present to be considered a M9 chord

Ab / Gb-Bb-C-F = Ab13  *nothing there is suspended

Try this:

Db/Ab-Db-Eb-Ab  DbM9  wrong
C/E-Ab-Bb-Eb  C7#9?  wrong
F/Ab-C-Eb-Ab  Fm7  correct
C/Bb-Eb-G  Cm7 correct
F/A-Db-Eb-Ab  F7#9  wrong
Bb/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9 correct
D/Ab-B-D-F  Ddim  wrong
Eb/G-Bb-Db-F  Eb7add9  wrong
Ab/Gb-Bb-Db-Eb  Ab/GbM6    correct
--/Gb-A-C-Eb Ab/Cdim7  wrong
Db/F-Ab-C-Eb DbM7  correct

Db/Ab-Db-Eb-Ab  DbM9 = Db2 or Dbsus2

C/E-Ab-Bb-Eb  C7#9 = C7(#5/#9)  *u just left off the #5, which here is Ab(really G#)

F/A-Db-Eb-Ab  F7#9[/b] = F7(#5/#9)  *again u left off the #5, which here is the Db(really C#)

D/Ab-B-D-F  Ddim = Ddim7  *u gotta make sure to represent the bb7, which here is B(really Cb)

Eb/G-Bb-Db-F  Eb7add9 = Eb9  *u have your 3rd and m7 present, so u can just name it using the 9

Ab/Gb-Bb-Db-Eb  Ab/GbM6    *i told u that this chord was correct, u could also name it using the Eb as the root or the RH chord, Ebm7/Ab

--/Gb-A-C-Eb Ab/Cdim7 = Ab7(b9)  *the b9 in this chord is the A(really Bbb)

Check this "groove" out Its a slow count:

[1 2 3 4]Bb-F/Ab-C-Db-F  Bbm9  correct
[1 2 3 4]F-C/Ab-C-Eb-G  Fm9  correct

Over all man, not too bad.  Keep studying and you will be a theory wiz in not time.

[lauenceholley]

that chord progression sure sounds nice njbella, thanks

[NJDBalla]

Aiight man, I'll grade ya, LOL:

Db / Ab-Db-Eb-Ab = Db2 or Dbsus2  *no 3rd or M7 present to be considered a M9 chord

Ab / Gb-Bb-C-F = Ab13  *nothing there is suspended

Db/Ab-Db-Eb-Ab  DbM9 = Db2 or Dbsus2

C/E-Ab-Bb-Eb  C7#9 = C7(#5/#9)  *u just left off the #5, which here is Ab(really G#)

F/A-Db-Eb-Ab  F7#9[/b] = F7(#5/#9)  *again u left off the #5, which here is the Db(really C#)

D/Ab-B-D-F  Ddim = Ddim7  *u gotta make sure to represent the bb7, which here is B(really Cb)

Eb/G-Bb-Db-F  Eb7add9 = Eb9  *u have your 3rd and m7 present, so u can just name it using the 9

Ab/Gb-Bb-Db-Eb  Ab/GbM6    *i told u that this chord was correct, u could also name it using the Eb as the root or the RH chord, Ebm7/Ab

--/Gb-A-C-Eb Ab/Cdim7 = Ab7(b9)  *the b9 in this chord is the A(really Bbb)


Over all man, not too bad.  Keep studying and you will be a theory wiz in not time.

 
I think I failed, lol Well at least I know that I was wrong and can therefore apply myself to keep studying and learning theory.

Db / Ab-Db-Eb-Ab = Db2 or Dbsus2  *no 3rd or M7 present to be considered a M9 chord

On this chord, I forgot to type the "F" between the "Eb" and the "Ab".
That would make it a M9 right? Or do I still have to have the M7 present?

Ab / Gb-Bb-C-F = Ab13  *nothing there is suspended

For this, an "Eb" has to be present for it to be a sus13, right?

Thanks T

[NJDBalla]

MrJKeys,

Check out JazzJunkie's "How to add passing Chords to you progression" thread in the Gospel Piano/Keyboard Forum
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,66008.0.html

This vid utilizes the dom7 as a passing chord.

[T-Block]

I think I failed, lol Well at least I know that I was wrong and can therefore apply myself to keep studying and learning theory.

Naw, u didn't fail.  The point is you tried and u got over half of them right.  That is a big accomplishment. Some are too scared to do what u just did.  U really did well, I'm proud of u.

Db / Ab-Db-Eb-Ab = Db2 or Dbsus2  *no 3rd or M7 present to be considered a M9 chord

On this chord, I forgot to type the "F" between the "Eb" and the "Ab".
That would make it a M9 right? Or do I still have to have the M7 present?

Adding the F would make it a Dbadd9.  U still need that M7 there to make it a M9.

Ab / Gb-Bb-C-F = Ab13  *nothing there is suspended

For this, an "Eb" has to be present for it to be a sus13, right?

Thanks T

If u put the Eb in there, it won't change the chord at all cuz Eb is the 5th.  Now, if u played Eb instead of F, then u would have an Ab9 chord.

I don't think there is a way to play a sus13 chord because u can't suspend the 13.  You have to pick one of the other notes other than the root.  In the case of the 13, I would play a Db instead of the C.  That would give you an Ab13sus4 chord:

Ab / Gb-Bb-Db-F

then resolve the Db back to C for the Ab13

Ab / Gb-Bb-C-F

Does that make any sense man?  When u name a chord a suspension, the number behind the sus is the scale degree being used in the suspension.  So, in a 7th chord, the 7th can't be suspend.  In a 9th chord, the 9th can't be suspended.  In an 11th chord, the 11th can't be suspend, etc.

[MrJkeys]

Thanks guys, yeah man yall rock! these stuff are great, I'm learning so much from the forum in this short while Ive been here.

Keep it up gents....and ladies !

[NJDBalla]

Naw, u didn't fail.  The point is you tried and u got over half of them right.  That is a big accomplishment. Some are too scared to do what u just did.  U really did well, I'm proud of u.

Adding the F would make it a Dbadd9.  U still need that M7 there to make it a M9.

If u put the Eb in there, it won't change the chord at all cuz Eb is the 5th.  Now, if u played Eb instead of F, then u would have an Ab9 chord.

I don't think there is a way to play a sus13 chord because u can't suspend the 13.  You have to pick one of the other notes other than the root.  In the case of the 13, I would play a Db instead of the C.  That would give you an Ab13sus4 chord:

Ab / Gb-Bb-Db-F

then resolve the Db back to C for the Ab13

Ab / Gb-Bb-C-F

Does that make any sense man?  When u name a chord a suspension, the number behind the sus is the scale degree being used in the suspension.  So, in a 7th chord, the 7th can't be suspend.  In a 9th chord, the 9th can't be suspended.  In an 11th chord, the 11th can't be suspend, etc.

Ok I THINK I understand. Will definately apply this to later posts.

But if this is a Db2: Db/Db-Eb-F-Ab, then wouldn't this: Db/Ab-Db-Eb-F-Ab, be an Db2 as well? I mean, in both chords, the "9s" are "added", lol. So could they both also be Dbadd9?

[cas10a]

Ok I THINK I understand. Will definately apply this to later posts.

But if this is a Db2: Db/Db-Eb-F-Ab, then wouldn't this: Db/Ab-Db-Eb-F-Ab, be an Db2 as well? I mean, in both chords, the "9s" are "added", lol. So could they both also be Dbadd9?

Db2 implies the 1, 2, 3, & 5th are played...

In a Db9 the 5th is optional and the b7 is implied to be played...

close but not same exact chord.

In your chord example above it is the same chord Db2, you just played the Ab in 2 octave in the RH...

[T-Block]

Ok I THINK I understand. Will definately apply this to later posts.

But if this is a Db2: Db/Db-Eb-F-Ab, then wouldn't this: Db/Ab-Db-Eb-F-Ab, be an Db2 as well? I mean, in both chords, the "9s" are "added", lol. So could they both also be Dbadd9?

Db / Db-Eb-F-Ab isn't a Db2 chord, it's a Dbadd9 chord.  Since u got the 3rd there, ur base chord is major already.  And u just added the 9th without putting in a 7th, so it's just an add9. So, both of those chords are Dbadd9 chords.

In your original chording, u didn't have the F there, that's why it was called a Db2.  A 2 or sus2 chord uses the scale degrees 1-2-5.  Let's see the difference:

Db / Ab-Db-Eb-Db = Db2 or Dbsus2

Db / Ab-Db-Eb-F-Db = Dbadd9

You see that? They both look bout the same, except one has an F and one doesn't.  U good now?

[NJDBalla]

 
Yeah, I THINK so, lol

[NJDBalla]

...for now

[T-Block]

Hey NJ, cas is right wit his explanation.  Both of those chords are the same:

Db2 implies the 1, 2, 3, & 5th are played...

In your chord example above it is the same chord Db2, you just played the Ab in 2 octave in the RH...

The main difference between Db2 and Dbadd9 is where u put the 2nd/9th note:

Db2 = Db-Eb-F-Ab
Dbadd9 = Db-F-Ab-Eb

It's a small technical difference, but u can play the chords anyway you like to get the sound u want.

[NJDBalla]

So, in other words, its a "petty" little difference? I mean, does it matter what I call it? Db2 or Dbadd9? The main thing is that a M9 has to have the M7 in it though, which is what I think I got wrong in the first place.

I found the chord chart you posted which will probably keep me quiet for a while...

[T-Block]

So, in other words, its a "petty" little difference? I mean, does it matter what I call it? Db2 or Dbadd9? The main thing is that a M9 has to have the M7 in it though, which is what I think I got wrong in the first place.

Yes, that's correct man.